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Sort of speaking of Moonstar, one thing I always do enjoy seeing is which B-list or lower mutant the new writer will 'promote' to their book. Although then you get like ten writers in five years and so there's a bunch of people who were once 'real' X-Men now relegated to background shots at the Academy or something.
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Dawgstar posted:Sort of speaking of Moonstar, one thing I always do enjoy seeing is which B-list or lower mutant the new writer will 'promote' to their book. Although then you get like ten writers in five years and so there's a bunch of people who were once 'real' X-Men now relegated to background shots at the Academy or something. That's the real Curse of the Mutants. I wonder, who is the most recent new X-Man to have continued prominence in the line? Gambit? Emma Frost is a solid pick, but she was around for a long time before joining the X-Men. You could make similar arguments for Namor and, to a lesser extent, Dr. Nemesis, but they also have super long publication histories. Possibly Laura Kinney? I think it might be Glob Herman. He's featured more prominently than Quentin Quire or Xorn, who are the other breakout stars of Morrison's run. Nobody past that has come close, really. I know everybody here loves Rockslide but I can't even think of the last time he appeared. EDIT: Forgot Hope, but then so did everybody else.
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May 5, 2019 03:57
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Rochallor posted:That's the real Curse of the Mutants. I think X-23 is probably the most recent genuinely successful character. Nemesis and Glob are around a lot but they have trouble penetrating outside the very specific line. Quentin Quire I think is probably close though. Xorn I think is mostly remembered for the dumb plot twist.
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ImpAtom posted:I think X-23 is probably the most recent genuinely successful character. Nemesis and Glob are around a lot but they have trouble penetrating outside the very specific line. Quentin Quire I think is probably close though. Xorn I think is mostly remembered for the dumb plot twist. Quire became a (West Coast) Avenger for a sadly all-too brief time under Thompson, but I think your point stands. Doc Nemesis in particular stands out as while he WAS a big deal, at the same time it's hard to right arrogant super-scientist and at the same time have the character be interesting. It's either him too much being a dick or too much technobabble.
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May 5, 2019 04:38
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Glob was barely even a character in Morrison's run funnily enough, he's just like, paraffin Butthead. People who came to the character later made him far more sympathetic - I think Morrison's portrayal was a conscious effort to resist the "monster with a heart of gold trope" and just have a monster man who was kind of a dumb rear end in a top hat teenager.
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May 5, 2019 18:37
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Rochallor posted:I think it might be Glob Herman. He's featured more prominently than Quentin Quire or Xorn, who are the other breakout stars of Morrison's run. Nobody past that has come close, really. I know everybody here loves Rockslide but I can't even think of the last time he appeared. Well Rockslide has been in NextGen quite prominently, though not as much as Glob, of course. And Hope was just plain gone for a long-rear end time but is in the current Uncanny, I guess. It might indeed be Glob Herman but tally up all his appearances and see which ones are outside books written by Brisson. I'm not sure he's a "breakout character" as much as he is "pet character of current writer who'll likely go back to obscurity once that writer's off any X-books". I think it's definitely X-23. Could very easily have been a "hey remember in 2003 when they tried to make Teen Girl Wolverine happen? Comics, right?" situation, but by now that genie's not going back in the bottle. Even if they did the fabled Total Reboot people have whispered about for a decade, I'm pretty confident she'd be back within the first year.
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Diet Poison posted:Well Rockslide has been in NextGen quite prominently, though not as much as Glob, of course. And Hope was just plain gone for a long-rear end time but is in the current Uncanny, I guess. It might indeed be Glob Herman but tally up all his appearances and see which ones are outside books written by Brisson. I'm not sure he's a "breakout character" as much as he is "pet character of current writer who'll likely go back to obscurity once that writer's off any X-books". Marvel will almost certainly never do a Total Reboot (which people've been whispering about for a lot longer than a decade), because DC is there to illustrate how often it goes wrong
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The Stepford Cuckoos have also had a pretty consistent present here and there since their introduction.Also, like Rockslide, a few Academy X kids have stuck around as stable supporting characters-- Anole, Pixie, etc..
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Rochallor posted:That's the real Curse of the Mutants. Fantomex was running wild for a while after Jason Aaron and Rick Remender brought him back for The List: Wolverine, and Uncanny X-Force. Both were great by the way.
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May 5, 2019 19:32
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Glob and the Cuckoos pre-date X-23 though. She did get a leg up by starting in a cartoon people got real loving weird about though.
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May 5, 2019 19:45
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Aphrodite posted:She did get a leg up by starting in a cartoon people got real loving weird about though. How so? I didn't follow anything about Wolverine and the X-Men.
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Dawgstar posted:How so? I didn't follow anything about Wolverine and the X-Men. She was in X-Men Evolution, not Wolverine and the X-Men. And I mean porn. So much porn.
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Aphrodite posted:She was in X-Men Evolution, not Wolverine and the X-Men. Oh! Aphrodite posted:And I mean porn. So much porn. Oh.
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aphrodite how long have you been on the internet that people making porn of something is them "getting weird about it" and not "standard operating procedure"
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Alaois posted:aphrodite how long have you been on the internet that people making porn of something is them "getting weird about it" and not "standard operating procedure" I think they mean in the comics, which I'm not sure about, but X-23 was a victim of sex trafficking.
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A long time. And that's why I know the difference.Skwirl posted:I think they mean in the comics, which I'm not sure about, but X-23 was a victim of sex trafficking. Well they did that too, but I meant the Evolution character designs are incredibly popular. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 22:32 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 22:30
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Skwirl posted:I think they mean in the comics, which I'm not sure about, but X-23 was a victim of sex trafficking. Getting further off topic, but my favourite thing is in the Collected X-23 they skip that mini and there's just a page with basically "and then some bad poo poo happened to her for a while, and then, this:"
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Diet Poison posted:Getting further off topic, but my favourite thing is in the Collected X-23 they skip that mini and there's just a page with basically "and then some bad poo poo happened to her for a while, and then, this:" It's so bizarre that that's how she was introduced. There's minis that take place earlier, but they were published later. "How should we introduce this character from the popular children's cartoon?" "I dunno, white slavery?"
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Skwirl posted:It's so bizarre that that's how she was introduced. There's minis that take place earlier, but they were published later. "How should we introduce this character from the popular children's cartoon?" "I dunno, white slavery?" NYX was not good. I'm not even sure who it was for.
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Dawgstar posted:NYX was not good. I'm not even sure who it was for. joe quesada
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I am so into Illyana's dress at the Funeral. But i'm confused, X-23 is still going, but they list both Laura and Gabby among the dead. Going to assume this is one of those "don't think about it too hard" things.
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All the "dead" are in Age of X-Man.
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twistedmentat posted:I am so into Illyana's dress at the Funeral. solo books and characters who are in more than one team, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are always happening at different points in time
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That's what I figured, Logan that's currently going to rescue Thor either already has, or is going to be hacking up Not Purifiers. The "who's Emma Frost" thing is the first real hook so far in this series that is getting me excited for the next issue, though Emma being evil again is not something I want.
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Dawgstar posted:NYX was not good. I'm not even sure who it was for. It was originally unofficially announced as an early MAX title by Brian Wood and David Choe, but for various reasons it never came out, possibly because the idea of "street level, struggling Lower East side mutants" somehow transmogrified in the pitch into: quote:he took one look at the character sheets, read that Gambit had been assraped in Prison, that rogue becomes goth after eatingtouching) a an arbie’s prime rib sandwhich and has to go vegetarian after that, with her stalking and spying on people having sex and her huge dildo collection because, she’s not allowed to touch. You read that and ran with your tail between your legs you pussy. Which I guess makes him more of a cocksucker than a pussy. But it’s still earlyinto the millenium, he could start sucking that cock anyday now. The summary above is from David Choe's "Open Letter to Joe Quesada", which was hailed as a revolutionary triumph over on the Warren Ellis Forums that someone finally had the bravery to point out that Joe Quesada is a latent human being and Mark Bagely is a bitch and everyone at Marvel are dick eating pussies who eat dicks. Quesada kept insisting that this was just a proposal that they asked Wood/Choe to put together, and that the idea was something that he and Jemas had been kicking around since they first talked about expanding the Ultimate line past Spider-Man and the 'traditional' X-Men book, then revisited when doing the linewide relaunch around Morrison's New X-Men (and went with Milligan/Allred's "Celebrity X-Men" pitch for X-Force instead), but Wood and Choe (and various WEF people) kept eyerolling and scoffing and insisting the book was greenlit and Joe Quesada was too much of a pussy rear end feminine homosexual to allow such raw badass realness to be published. Eventually, regardless of who was telling the truth, the Quesada/Middleton NYX got announced kind of as proof that this was an idea they'd been kicking around independent of Wood/Choe. No one inclined to believe Wood believed this, Wood claims he took all of his plans for NYX and used them in DEMO, David Choe went off to get arrested in Japan and paint murals for Facebook and do a podcast where he tells funny rape stories or something. NYX eventually came out, but took nearly two years to hit its seventh issue, and Middleton only drew the first four. So yeah, this is who NYX is for, whoever went through all of this and came out the other side going "we definitely need to make comics about this whole thing". Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 03:50 on May 6, 2019 |
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New interview with Hickman, where he confirms that the entire X-line will relaunch after House/Powers wrap, and that he'll be staying on to write the new flagship ongoing X-book. I guess the Uncanny X-Men relaunch last year was just a stopgap?
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They had to disassemble the X-Men before Hickman could reassemble them, I guess. Why they decided to have this stuff in between is weird, though. Anyway, I think it's interesting that Hickman appears to be involved in hiring the other creative teams for the rest of the line.
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Most of what they're doing right now might count as giving Hickman and company enough room to think and breathe, but at least they have given some interesting creators a shot and let them try out their own ideas in a limited space even if the results weren't always perfect.
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https://twitter.com/zdarsky/status/1128409892283461632 Edit: Ewing on Hickman's X-Men https://twitter.com/Al_Ewing/status/1128375787483275267 Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 03:13 on May 15, 2019 |
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I am extremely glad to hear all that, it sounds exactly like what the entire line needed.
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I don't want to over hope what could happen, but based on Hickmans Avengers we could see something akin to classic Claremont era. Without the weird fetish stuff.
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The House of X/Powers of X is gonna be an issue of one or the other every week, right?
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Skwirl posted:The House of X/Powers of X is gonna be an issue of one or the other every week, right? Yes. First House, then Powers.
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Goddamn I am so hype for this. It will be hard not to build up my expectations too high but I’m excited.
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They say this is the biggest thing since Grant Morrison’s New X-Men, but it sounds like Hickman will have enough control of the line to prevent him from having something of a Chuck Austen Uncanny X-Men level as his sister book.
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twistedmentat posted:I don't want to over hope what could happen, but based on Hickmans Avengers we could see something akin to classic Claremont era. Without the weird fetish stuff. excuse me I hope theres more weird fetish stuff fetish stuff that no one can get off to
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I'm a lot more ambivalent on Hickman than... basically everybody it seems, so the whole huge revamp thing is making me a little nervous still. Hickman's great with bold new concepts and all that jazz, but I've never really liked the way he writes a lot of characters, and that's the main draw of X-Men for me. I'm sure it'll be good, it'll probably easily be the best mainline post-Secret Wars book, and it'll definitely be better than the dreck Uncanny is now, but... I can't bring myself to get too excited for this.
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I have some problems with Hickman's arcs as well, and to this day his mainline Avengers book contains some of the most irritatingly shite storytelling that I'd ever laid hands on. But his sort of Morrison-esque focused, grandiose vision for superhero stories is the exact sort of thing the X-books need right now after the last however many years of them being completely unfocused and unwilling to strive for the epic stories that they deserve and being shuffled out to writers who absolutely do not deserve to be helming this franchise. (with several exceptions, of course) Hell. Uncanny is so loving terrible right now that I'm halfway convinced they are intentionally making it this bad so that Hickman comes across even better when he does arrive.
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Rochallor posted:I'm a lot more ambivalent on Hickman than... basically everybody it seems, so the whole huge revamp thing is making me a little nervous still. Even if you don't like him getting rid of the absolute loving trash they have right now is good.
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