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Zoran posted:here's my experience as an American: disproportionate representation of smaller member states is Bad. It makes sense in the EU's case. There are people living in those countries that have goals in mind that aren't necessarily the same as what France and Germany want. In the USA there isn't a "big state agenda vs small state agenda" question anymore (because slavery is now illegal) and all those smaller states are a much more integrated part of the nation as a whole. There's no situation in which Texas lends money to Arkansas who then can't pay it back so Texas gets to decide what Arkansas' legislature does about it. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 16:51 on May 5, 2019 |
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Zoran posted:here's my experience as an American: disproportionate representation of smaller member states is Bad.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The issue is that the EU is made up of nation states, while the US isn't. Imagine how screwed a lot of Americans would be if the system didn't favor smaller states AND only a small minority identified as Americans, while the rest identified along state lines. A few states would get on top, decide they were the most virtuous and rig the entire economy in their favor, then use that as evidence of the moral failings of the states least served by it. Then they'd start bleeding those states dry while the entire economy started to stagnate because it was tuned for like California, Texas, and Florida. as opposed to the system we have now where small states are doing it instead I don’t know if there’s an allegory here for brexit though
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May 5, 2019 18:06
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The problem with the US system isn't that small states are bleeding the big ones economically dry. If anything the small states suffer disproportionately more for the GOP shacklehold on them but then there's other factors like gerrymandering and whatnot to consider too. No one even cares about the small states really. No presidential candidates go and campaigns in Dakota. The point is that it isn't a very useful comparison even though at first it may seem that way.
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May 5, 2019 18:28
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Zoran posted:here's my experience as an American: disproportionate representation of smaller member states is Bad. In their case it makes sense because they're an actual loose club thingie. Whereas we're a goddamned country with laws on the books pretending we're still a loose club thingie.
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May 5, 2019 18:49
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If there are economic bodies in the US that operate like semi-independent things they aren't along state lines, that much is for sure. Something more like this.  The lack of actual functioning hard borders and the like (well established prior to Schengen anyway) not to mention everyone speaking English, being used to this state of things, and also not having bad blood from the dread Battle of Gerlitz when the foul king Mikel IV smited the Wobesians in 1356... the comparison just doesn't hold up.
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May 5, 2019 18:59
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the reason small US states suck is because they're full of rural shitheads this is not as much a problem in latvia
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Grape posted:If there are economic bodies in the US that operate like semi-independent things they aren't along state lines, that much is for sure.
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i say swears online posted:the reason small US states suck is because they're full of rural shitheads How are we using small here. The physically small states are mostly pretty much the exact opposite of what you're describing lol. Largely made up of urban/suburban, with lots less rural (if any). CT, RI, NJ, MD, MA, DE etc. Mostly little oddly shaped chunks making up the Northeast urban corridor. Or do you mean small by population?
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May 5, 2019 20:38
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small by population, probably, the rural states also tend to be pretty large territory wise as you say
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I'm also reasonably sure Latvia has plenty of rural shitheads and isn't culturally all that more progressive than the likes of South Carolina. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/05/malta-leads-the-way-for-gay-and-transgender-rights-in-europe
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May 5, 2019 20:46
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a British guy who moved over to Ireland recently was telling me how he found our election posters really quaint and old fashioned I told him having a fuckin monarchy was old fashioned lmao
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Quantum of Phallus posted:a British guy who moved over to Ireland recently was telling me how he found our election posters really quaint and old fashioned Noice
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Quantum of Phallus posted:a British guy who moved over to Ireland recently was telling me how he found our election posters really quaint and old fashioned 
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A Buttery Pastry posted:If Mikel the Great was here today you wouldn't dare say something like this! He would make you and your entire village drink boiling diarrhea, like you pigs deserve. I guess we have the bad blood from the Battle of Skeeter Ridge, when Union general Ezekiel P Sideburns put the entire city of Negromisery Glen to the torch.
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jesus WEP posted:greens came first where i live, sounds like you should move Greens came first in some areas near me. But I don't get paid enough to live in areas where they comfortably win.
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May 6, 2019 00:11
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Hi British folks! Haven't posted here in a while or read the thread since. Anyway congratulations on finally leaving the EU! So proud of you guys.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:a British guy who moved over to Ireland recently was telling me how he found our election posters really quaint and old fashioned lol Fallen Hamprince posted:Hi British folks! Haven't posted here in a while or read the thread since. Anyway congratulations on finally leaving the EU! So proud of you guys. gently caress off
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Hi British folks! Haven't posted here in a while or read the thread since. Anyway congratulations on finally leaving the EU! So proud of you guys. they haven't left yet they may not leave but they're going to eventually, or not
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Hi British folks! Haven't posted here in a while or read the thread since. Anyway congratulations on finally leaving the EU! So proud of you guys. gently caress off
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Zoran posted:here's my experience as an American: disproportionate representation of smaller member states is Bad. Not every small state in the EU (by population or density thereof) is filled with racist shithead yokels... Okay they actually are but none off the top of my head have a two party system, so it's hard for the racist vote to get into power by latching onto the European equivalent of the republicans.
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Americans don't understand politics outside US More news at 11
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*extremely progressive yankee voice* these guys don't deserve having their own country e: wait this is the brexit thread maybe he has a point
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When's Brexit finally going to happen for real, no take-backsies?
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Avirosb posted:When's Brexit finally going to happen for real, no take-backsies? It means brexit
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Avirosb posted:When's Brexit finally going to happen for real, no take-backsies? Nobody knows. With local elections last week we mostly were able to forget Brexit to focus on the Tories losing 1300+ councillors. But negotiations ate going on this week again.
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BioMe posted:uh huh it is incredibly bad and in the long term will absolutely be a mistake. but i guess europe will have to learn that lesson as we have
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Quantum of Phallus posted:a British guy who moved over to Ireland recently was telling me how he found our election posters really quaint and old fashioned and that election poster, was albert einstein
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May 6, 2019 11:15
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Wouldn't let Einstein fly Farage's plane.
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May 6, 2019 11:19
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can you fellas break off cornwall and impose a cornwallian state with juche characteristics thx that'd be comfy and swell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmtqn8wANLY 
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it'd be really funny, but would cripple the british tin industry, a cornerstone of our ability to project global influence
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:it is incredibly bad and in the long term will absolutely be a mistake. but i guess europe will have to learn that lesson as we have The politics in each country is too different right now and also there is no federal government It's not the same
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Prav posted:*extremely progressive yankee voice* these guys don't deserve having their own country Ok so are you from the EU or the Deep South, because this post is ambiguous.
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May 6, 2019 13:01
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Witt Brexit postponed that gives them time to address global warming.
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Martin BadClixx posted:The politics in each country is too different right now and also there is no federal government even if mainly because of cultural and language diffs, you folks are starting w a weaker confederation than the us did—but the economic advantages of consolidation toward a proper federal system are gonna, over the medium/long term, push you into a more and more federal europe at which pt you will have to deal w all of the legacy crap from yr confederation and weak federalism years, and the us is literally right here to show you the risks dangers and problems associated w that all of this assumes that the impending climate apocalypse doesnt disrupt the political arc of modern europe ofc
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There is a 100% chance Americans will elect the royal baby when they're old enough if they choose to run for president
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we should have had the wherewithal to exile all the loyalists to canada after the revolution
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Martin BadClixx posted:The politics in each country is too different right now and also there is no federal government its very similar to the early US, and this was the exact rationale used to give smaller states greater representation. and its hosed us for a century.
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Jose posted:There is a 100% chance Americans will elect the royal baby when they're old enough if they choose to run for president Caring about the British Royal family is largely a Boomer phenomenon (as are all things tacky), so by the time the baby is old enough his fans will be very dead.
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