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Plutonis posted:Arabs definitely had cause for being persecuted in America since Al Qaeda killed like at least 2,000 people during 9/11 lol e: ahaha what a lovely page topper
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It's really great how comic book continuity means every exceptionally bad 'actually, maybe we're right to persecute mutants!' storyline hangs around forever in the background like a congoer who knows nobody wants him around and is relying on the Geek Social Fallacies.
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May 7, 2019 22:16
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Plutonis posted:Mutants definitely had cause for being persecuted on the Ultimate universe since Magneto killed like at least 10 million people during Ultimatum lol mutants were also a failed-ish government super weapon project in the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Universe got pretty bad, and really needed to be put out of its misery sooner. Spiderman was mostly okay-ish. The rest goes into the dumpster. Also as pointed out that guy was writing for a newer book that was an X-men/Avengers mash up after their big summer event was Avengers vs X-Men it's kinda interesting the industry parallels between nerdgames and comics, since at this point the big names are just kept as an IP or vanity project by companies too big to really care too much what goes on in them. You also see a confluence of Gatekeeping by regressive and toxic fans, blatant pandering (to both newer audiences and the regressive trolls), and attempts at genuinely inclusion/growing fandom.
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May 7, 2019 22:45
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Coolness Averted posted:it's kinda interesting the industry parallels between nerdgames and comics, since at this point the big names are just kept as an IP or vanity project by companies too big to really care too much what goes on in them. You also see a confluence of Gatekeeping by regressive and toxic fans, blatant pandering (to both newer audiences and the regressive trolls), and attempts at genuinely inclusion/growing fandom. This is unfortunately universal across entertainment mediums in the capitalist hellscape we live in.
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May 7, 2019 23:14
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Lord knows some Gatekeeping is necessary.
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Anyone remember how many books for 2nd ed. D&D were published under TSR? I feel like it's somewhere close to 700, or some other ludicrous number.
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May 8, 2019 01:13
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It was a ridiculous number but there's no way they published 700.
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Kwyndig posted:It was a ridiculous number but there's no way they published 700. Skimming the Wikipedia article on d&d publications there were just shy of 300 books and suppliments published by tsr (total not just ad&d 2nd e) this doesn't include poo poo like their woodburning kits or novel line though. About half were ad&d 2nd e it seemed.
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I might've gotten things mixed up with the giant gently caress-off amount of pure poo poo that TSR produced back in the day. Edit: I also wasted way more time counting through this checklist than I should have and it has about 644 entries in the AD&D 2e block, pages 8 to 25. This is counting hardcover and softcover versions. Slimnoid fucked around with this message at 02:43 on May 8, 2019 |
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Kwyndig posted:It was a ridiculous number but there's no way they published 700. There's actually over 1000 publications and products that were put out for AD&D 2nd edition by TSR. The thing is, many of those were RPGA modules, which are hard to weed out. Even with that, though, 700 isn't a crazy number. I remember at one point I worked out they were putting out at least 1-2 products a week one year. It's easily one of the most prolific game lines in history, in any case.
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May 8, 2019 02:36
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They also hadn't given up publishing stuff for basic for some of the lifetime of 2e.
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Leperflesh posted:The thing that gets me about the whole "mutants as metaphors for minorities" is that there's a very obvious and easy to write and glaring example where they could be used to bring new focus and attention to racial disparity and race-based oppression. Just gonna leave this here...
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Coolness Averted posted:I was hoping that was gonna be kittyprydesayingthen-word.jpg Woooooooooooffffff…
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Coolness Averted posted:I was hoping that was gonna be kittyprydesayingthen-word.jpg Lol. I was wondering what the context would be. The context is apparently a white guy thinking "gee, I just wish a black person would call me a slur so I could use the n-word at them." Why are people so pathetic?
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occamsnailfile posted:It's why you get tone-deaf poo poo like white, blonde, easily-passing Havok declaring that he "wants to be seen as human first" and the author declaring that anyone who doesn't like his writing should drown themselves in hobo piss.  I was sure you were exaggerating.
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May 8, 2019 06:31
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 The "m" word. Lol.
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I feel like Judge Dredd made best use of mutants as a persecuted minority when Dredd realize the anti-mutant laws are unjust (after meeting his distant, mutant relatives.) It's been years since I read it, but the storyline dealt with Dredd learning that rule-of-law is actually bad when the system is weaponized against minorities. Science fiction can do well by reframing social issues, and I think where X-Men fell down is that they presented mutants largely as attractive young people with desirable gifts. Havok talking about how he's human with his chiseled jawline, blue eyes and blonde hair? The reader is already primed to be on his side. But a cursed-earth weirdo with extra arms makes a better universal "other" since it encourages the reader to realize their own prejudices. There's a tightrope though, since it's easy to gently caress up and then you're the rear end in a top hat who presented Palestinians as bug people.
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moths posted:I feel like Judge Dredd made best use of mutants as a persecuted minority when Dredd realize the anti-mutant laws are unjust (after meeting his distant, mutant relatives.)  How did that of all things happen outside of pro-occupation propaganda?
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NGDBSS posted:Wait, what? It didn't as far as I know! I meant that in using something like Mega City One's apartheid to illustrate real world injustice, you run the risk of drawing ugly comparisons between the fictionalized oppressed (mutants) and real people (Palestinians.) The best example of this going poo poo-fan wrong is probably District 9, where apartheid was maybe good and the minority population were hideous and all suffered brain damage or something.
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Oh, I thought you were referring to Planet Hulk
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moths posted:It didn't as far as I know! That's a little unfair to District 9, though I admit the movie is deeply imperfect. (For the record, I'm half South African, my father went into exile for the ANC, and my username is based on a dumb mispronunciation of Joe Slovo; that doesn't mean I have good taste in movies but I felt I should mention it.) District 9's project is about creating an abjected population who read, on first appearance, as horrible bug monsters, and whose attempts at revolutionary resistance are read as random and criminal. This is meant to directly parallel the treatment of the African majority under apartheid, and in particular the white population's experience of them as an underclass mediated by apartheid propaganda. The focal character is a white South African who is literally an apartheid-era joke character, the Afrikaner bureaucrat who is hideously callous while completely un-self-aware. The film clearly wants the viewer to, over the course of the film, realize that they've been siding with an evil state which brutally oppresses the refugee population of aliens on the basis of an irrational fear and a desire for power. Eventually, you're supposed to entirely identify with the aliens and see humans as grotesque. It fucks this up on a lot of levels, one of which is the standard action movie plot, and another of which is the protagonist being so bummed out at being an alien, which has the weird implication that taking part in the Struggle turned white people black? It's not good. And then the Nigerian characters are these horrible stereotypes that are just an expression of modern SA xenophobia. So that's terrible. But the basic move of 'you find it hard to empathize with these aliens because they look weird to you and your understanding is filtered through propaganda' that the movie starts with was a rich one, and could have been much better handled at the end; the idea being to force the viewer to reckon with their immediate willingness to see the Other as lesser than human and not deserving of respect and equal rights, and how actual revolutionary action (the derailed train at the start of the movie, the violence that appears occasionally, which are directly parallel to ANC sabotage, etc) are presented as meaningless and random acts of violence. I wish it were a better movie than it is, basically, because the core metaphor gets really close to working well. And then instead it ends up being difficult to read properly. Which agrees with the general point, aliens as direct metaphors for oppressed groups are really hard to make work. E: Also, I wouldn't have thought anyone could walk out of that movie thinking 'apartheid for bugs is good, actually' given that the central plot hinges on an evil corporation doing horrible experiments on the aliens in order to develop weaponry, while claiming to just be looking out for their interests paternalistically - and the alien father and son characters are the only likeable ones. Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 19:33 on May 8, 2019 |
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Isn't it kinda muddied a bit by the fact that most of the Prawns that made it to Earth are idiots(at least by human standards) due to being the worker caste for their species
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That's what I remember the film implying. Somehow the state's appalling treatment of them was presumably better than letting them die by being unfit to live. There was definitely a scene where they were all shown lying around in an idiotic stupor, too mindless to move. (When the ship first arrived?) Joe Slowboat's excellent post shines some light on the intent, but yeah the execution fell substantially short.
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Yeah every bit of alien biology in the movie sucked and undermined the point except the bit where Wikus was flamethrowering alien babies and the movie gets viewers to think that's ok because egg sacs are gross. And then you meet an alien kid and think for two seconds and you realize what he was party to.
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moths posted:It didn't as far as I know! The metaphor of district 9 would have worked a lot better if like the only black people who speak in it weren't evil witch cannibal nigerian bandits.
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Catfishenfuego posted:The metaphor of district 9 would have worked a lot better if like the only black people who speak in it weren't evil witch cannibal nigerian bandits. Agreed, and anti-Nigerian xenophobia is rampant in SA these days. Ironically, that same xenophobia, expressed towards immigrant refugees in SA, was I think part of what motivated the movie. The metaphor just apparently got totally lost; probably the intent was 'criminal gangs prey on immigrants' or something but I genuinely don't know what they were thinking in their representation of the Nigerian characters. Technically, a very Afropolitan black South African gets interviewed saying lovely stuff about the aliens early in the movie, which I think is from the original short film.
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The original short film, when they're doing the man-on-the-street interviews, are also interviewing real people, just instead of "bugmen" they asked the people "what do you think of Nigerians".
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bewilderment posted:The original short film, when they're doing the man-on-the-street interviews, are also interviewing real people, just instead of "bugmen" they asked the people "what do you think of Nigerians". Long, pained 'yiiiiikes' from me here. That the movie went on to be wildly xenophobic against Nigerians, that's just icing on the yikescake.
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I'm working up a game scenario that's way back in 1982. I'm ancient enough that I have memories of that year, but the game isn't set in some crappy subdivision, it's set in Scandinavia. Does anyone know of good resources for seeing what parts of the world were like back when?
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You could always try watching some movies of the period and get a sense for it? Usually a cinematic, "skin deep" understanding is all you need to make something feel real enough. Also, stock footage.
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They might be geoblocked but https://www.oppetarkiv.se and https://www.filmarkivet.se have swedish film and TV archives going pretty much all the way back. If you can understand it it could be a pretty good way to get the right feeling
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Thanks guys! That stock footage YouTube video already gave me some good notions.
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I found out recently that my favorite local hobby/game shop is employing a convicted child molester. I talked to my wife about it and both agreed that I won't take our kids in anymore, but I'm all for just being done with this place in general. Am I overreacting? How would you handle this?
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EdsTeioh posted:I found out recently that my favorite local hobby/game shop is employing a convicted child molester. I talked to my wife about it and both agreed that I won't take our kids in anymore, but I'm all for just being done with this place in general. Am I overreacting? How would you handle this? Has he served his time and undergone proper rehabilitation?
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EdsTeioh posted:I found out recently that my favorite local hobby/game shop is employing a convicted child molester. I talked to my wife about it and both agreed that I won't take our kids in anymore, but I'm all for just being done with this place in general. Am I overreacting? How would you handle this? You have no moral or societal obligation to give a private business your presence or money and if you're not comfortable being there you can (and should) go elsewhere. In the meantime I'd be deeply suspicious of any employer that deals with teenagers and children employing a child sex offender, as they should have done some sort of background check because of the nature of their business, but LGSes are often crapshoots in terms of professionality and I'm not familiar with the actual legal requirements. Someone with more experience in the business/laws end can probably address that - my reaction would probably be to bring it up to the owner. Kibner posted:Has he served his time and undergone proper rehabilitation? As far as I know some states do have explicit laws preventing anyone on a sex offender registry from working in positions related to or conducive to their original crime, which could end up being relevant.
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EdsTeioh posted:I found out recently that my favorite local hobby/game shop is employing a convicted child molester. I talked to my wife about it and both agreed that I won't take our kids in anymore, but I'm all for just being done with this place in general. Am I overreacting? How would you handle this? In general if someone served their time and is getting suitable after-care, I'd of course exercise caution with my own kids, but I wouldn't necessarily ban the place.
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