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El_Elegante posted:You are either deeply stupid or willfully misinformed about what drives cost in healthcare. Option c, I've been to lovely doctors? I'm sure it's a multifaceted problem but I don't have a lot of sympathy for the people making piles of cash off of it, it's not like I claimed that doctors were the only ones driving the system, just that they willingly maintain the system because the system is making them rich. They have no incentive to change it and many of them will fight to keep it going even as people drop dead around them
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purple death ray posted:Maybe doctors should have stopped their profession from being transformed into a for-profit nightmare if they are upset that the general public doesn't trust them the way they should? Like it's hard to assume they have my best interest at heart when every aspect of the experience is designed to extract as much money from me as possible, when they're colluding with insurance companies to deny me coverage, and so on and so on. Health care is a huge scam and they're making a fortune off of it, they've got no motivation to actually make things better for the rest of us. That's more the fault of the insurance companies. That's also the reason that medical coding for billing is so insane and also the reason that you get charged 11 bucks for an aspirin when you stay in the hospital. It's the caregivers trying to get their money out of the insurance companies. About 30% of those charges just get ignored by the insurance company anyway. It sucks royal rear end when you get that bill as an uninsured/under-insured person and now you're the one paying out of pocket for their bullshit system. Oddly enough, you can negotiate those bills way down if you're paying out of pocket, but you typically have to do it before you check out. But all of that doesn't make up for the fact that the entire system is bullshit and it needs to be nationalized like yesterday.
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May 8, 2019 16:23
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I love health care derails. European goons, tell us about your health care. Do you need to get referrals to get your dicks cut off or can you just make a single appointment?
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May 8, 2019 17:21
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Appointment? Lmao. I can walk into any doctors office in France and get my dick cut off on the spot if I want to. National health care (la Sécurité Sociale, pour les intimes) covers 70% of it and my complementary mutual insurance takes care of the rest.
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May 8, 2019 17:28
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HerStuddMuffin posted:Appointment? Lmao. I can walk into any doctors office in France and get my dick cut off on the spot if I want to. National health care (la Sécurité Sociale, pour les intimes) covers 70% of it and my complementary mutual insurance takes care of the rest. what the hell? You're bragging about National helthcare when they'll only cut 70% of your dick off?
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May 8, 2019 17:29
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So? It’s 70% every time. Go twice for a shallow vagina, three times for a deep one
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May 8, 2019 17:33
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They use a tiny guillotine
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purple death ray posted:Option c, I've been to lovely doctors? Doctors hate insurance companies almost as much as patients because in a lot of specialties you spend an obnoxious amount of time on the phone trying to convince some non-medically trained bean counter to authorize necessary procedures. Also because electronic medical software has been designed around making billing easier rather than clinical usefulness Doctors are "willingly maintaining" our messed up insurance system only in the sense that they don't quit medicine or go to cash only practices. Healthcare costs go up by absurd percents per year while physician salaries in most specialties have been fairly stable. All that extra money goes to Big Pharma, insurance, and the hospital conglomerates instead Doctors are actually pretty poo poo at advocating for their own interest lol, the AMA sucks at lobbying Source: I'm in medical school
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May 8, 2019 18:17
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The AMA are villains who have consistently opposed meaningful health care reform for nearly 70 years.
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DandyLion posted:what the hell? You're bragging about National helthcare when they'll only cut 70% of your dick off? Zeno of Elea's cautionary tale of Achilles and his dick
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May 8, 2019 18:24
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Probably the single biggest thing driving healthcare prices is this absurd game of chicken the hospitals play with insurance companies. Insurance: Ok, we're cutting reimbursement from 100% down to 80% of costs Hospital: oh wow, all our prices just went up 25%. How about that. Insurance: Oh wait nvm, actually we're cutting down to 50% of costs. Hospital: whoa, all our prices just doubled. Weird. Repeat ad infinitum until a bandaid costs $50. The amount of money changing hands doesn't change much but God help you if you don't have insurance and have to pay the "official" price of anything
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May 8, 2019 18:24
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So you’re saying that health care is subsidized by those who can least afford it?
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May 8, 2019 18:51
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The Aristocrats!
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Vlonald Prump posted:
I'm supposed to feel bad that doctors are only regular-rich and not like Jeff Bezos rich? I'm playing the world's smallest violin
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May 8, 2019 19:25
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they got one of those non-striking unions Private Practice Doctors can join a labor union as individuals, but they are prohibited by law from bargaining collectively over their salary, benefits, or working conditions.
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he didn’t say you’re supposed to feel bad, what’s wrong with you
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El_Elegante posted:he didn’t say you’re supposed to feel bad, what’s wrong with you A lot, honestly. E: I'm just extra bitter today, sorry. I'll show myself out purple death ray fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 8, 2019 |
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May 8, 2019 19:35
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I figure commie doctors chop off only seventy % of a dick is because people always over and misunderestimate the size of their dingle dangles. That way they never take off too much or too little. New derail: are you supposed to measure from in front of the balls or behind them. No ballerz welcome yo Wright in as well.
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May 8, 2019 21:35
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measure the useable length jeez. cant measure from the back unless you are still young and in shape and can actually use it
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sneakyfrog posted:measure the useable length jeez. cant measure from the back unless you are still young and in shape and can actually use it I measure from the back because I cram my balls in too.
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May 8, 2019 21:50
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 you youngins and your flexible lower backs
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purple death ray posted:I'm supposed to feel bad that doctors are only regular-rich and not like Jeff Bezos rich?
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American doctors are overpaid, gently caress them
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ElGroucho posted:American doctors are overpaid, gently caress them Correct, but not as much as hedge fund managers
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Wow 40 new posts must be some juicy feshes in the thread... .... Oh....
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Doctors are bad because they save human lives, which are pretty much the worst thing ever
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Odd posted:Doctors are bad because they save human lives, which are pretty much the worst thing ever Doctors in the US are generally either essentially gentry who are from a long line of doctors, or immigrants. I will choose the latter every time, as they tend to actually give a poo poo and didn't just get into it because daddy was paying for med school.
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D-Pad posted:Private Practice Doctors can join a labor union as individuals, but they are prohibited by law from bargaining collectively over their salary, benefits, or working conditions. If you fork over a couple thousand to like 40 congresscritters you can get anything youd like that not that many people care about American Congress is a bunch of prostitutes, and they're not even expensive prostitutes. There are actual call girls who charge more than certain congressmen
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bob dobbs is dead posted:If you fork over a couple thousand to like 40 congresscritters you can get anything youd like that not that many people care about Hey come on, some of them ARE call girls (lookin at you, sanders)
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loquacius posted:They made Garfield massagers? That part's the biggest shock to me honestly They made Garfield loving everything. Jim Davis is like the Antiwatterson. https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/30/18287192/garfield-phones-france-brittany-beaches
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ElGroucho posted:American doctors are overpaid, gently caress them Based on this statement, I'm going to assume that you then disagree with the current system where people are paid based on supply/demand and that you would prefer a different system. What do you think that should be? Personally, I think that people should be rewarded based on the value their work brings to society when properly supported and performed well, and the relative difficulty of the job. Those at the top living in luxury, but not opulence, and those at the bottom living modestly, but not in poverty. So maybe... 250k/yr at the top. By that measure, I would think doctors, teachers, garbage men, etc. should be at or very near the top of the heap, and CEOs... not so much. The problem isn't that doctors are being paid too much, it's that there are far too many being paid far too little. Every single person who works an honest 40h a week should have enough money to live modestly without constant worry.
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runupon cracker posted:Based on this statement, I'm going to assume that you then disagree with the current system where people are paid based on supply/demand and that you would prefer a different system. What do you think that should be? Is there enough necessary work that everyone should have to do 40hr weeks? Honestly, most people could work 20hr weeks and the only ones impacted would be shareholders and other parasites.
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Doctors provide an necessary and important function. CEOs and shareholders do not. The fight is top/bottom, and most doctors do not belong to the 1%.
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Peanut Butter posted:Is there enough necessary work that everyone should have to do 40hr weeks? Honestly, most people could work 20hr weeks and the only ones impacted would be shareholders and other parasites. We’d be down to 15 hour work weeks by now if we’d kept up with inflation and automation. The idea that people have to “earn their keep” is antiquated. It’s capitalist dogma specifically designed by rich people who don’t work to guilt poor people into feeling lazy because they aren’t rich.
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When I was a kid they told us that because computers could do so much information processing so quickly we would only need to work 3 days a week. That and the lack of hover cars are the biggest lies that have stayed with me.
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Solice Kirsk posted:When I was a kid they told us that because computers could do so much information processing so quickly we would only need to work 3 days a week. That and the lack of hover cars are the biggest lies that have stayed with me. lol of course instead of giving people easier workloads they'd just automate away jobs entirely and force everyone into lovely service- and retail-sector jobs with bad pay and benefits, until they can automate those away too 
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I'm a big fan of capitalism because it pays my bills, but if I could get away with just working three days a week I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Peanut Butter posted:Is there enough necessary work that everyone should have to do 40hr weeks? Honestly, most people could work 20hr weeks and the only ones impacted would be shareholders and other parasites. Bust Rodd posted:We’d be down to 15 hour work weeks by now if we’d kept up with inflation and automation. I absolutely, 100% agree with you both, but even if we could get to just 40h being actually viable for everybody it would be a huge step up. edit: like, I think that Bertrand Russel was absolutely on the mark about this. I'm ok with a society where people only work because they want to. Tinestram fucked around with this message at 13:46 on May 9, 2019 |
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quote:My career is a failure, I am 33 and still working a minimum wage job. I have started going back to school, but I think the biggest problem I have is that I am a pushover. My biggest piece of advice to you is to  , the couples counselor is not enough. You sound like you don't really know what to do about all of your issues and getting the chance to talk to someone about them would do a world of good in itself.quote:I’ve been having impotence problems for a month or so. The mind is willing but the flesh is weak. I guess that’s what happens when you’re a morbidly obese 41 year old under a ton of stress and on antidepressants. Anyways, it was a real confidence killer. I almost considered killing myself over it for a minute. I was trying to suck it up and move on, but my wife made me go to the doctor. He prescribed Viagra. With a combination of GoodRX and genetics and a local pharmacy I got 10 100mg pills for 19 bucks. I feel like a placebo might have had a similar effect honestly but maybe that's just my Youth Privilege
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm a big fan of capitalism because it pays my bills, but if I could get away with just working three days a week I'd do it in a heartbeat. Sorry to break this to you but the way to get there isn't more capitalism The only reason we got even a 40-hour work week was trade-unionism; the people driving our economy are doing it for their own benefit and won't actually produce a situation that's more helpful for anyone else unless forced to
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