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One part that will likely be included and will likely be pretty intense is the cleanup operations of the roof; during which men had to run out there in protective gear, graba hold of some irradiated piece of junk, throw it in a pile and then run the hell out of dodge in like a minute, or suffer fatal radiation exposure.
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Jerusalem posted:So long as they're not Sean Connery talking in a broad Scottish accent there's really no issue for me. Sean Connery is precisely as intelligible as the existing cast, Chernobyl is the safe space for British actors making zero effort to alter their speaking voice that he has always dreamed of, and as such as he should be digitally inserted into the remaining episodes as Boris Yeltsin or whoever.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:There’s also a component of “we’re totally hosed.” They had two options: Dousing the core with water was the correct choice in both A and B. B because it was largely thought and probably correct that a hot enough core could ignite a nuclear explosion ala Hiroshima (Some people think the second explosion was exactly this). Much of the efforts we will see later in the show is attempting to cool down the core so this possibility lessens.
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May 10, 2019 01:38
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Thread title: Chernobyl - It's okay! Everything is fine! HBO will be great after GoT en- *BARF* This is a good show. When watching the opening though I was totally reminded of the opener for Fargo season three which is eerily similar and lays out the same theme about the malleability of truth.
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May 10, 2019 02:01
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Really liked episode 1, the scene with the people standing and admiring the colors while the radioactive ash falls on them is horrifying. For those interested in this period, there is a documentary featuring Gorbachev coming out soon, Meeting Gorbachev. I've also heard the book Voices from Chernobyl is good but ive not read it
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May 10, 2019 02:08
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The difference between a nuclear reactor and a nuclear weapon is the speed of the reaction. The speed is controlled by coolant and control rods neither of which chernobyl reactor 4 has anymore.
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May 10, 2019 02:10
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I am surprised the thread title isnt "lmao Nice Meltdown, Comrade"
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algebra testes posted:I am surprised the thread title isnt "lmao Nice Meltdown, Comrade" This.
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Despera posted:Dousing the core with water was the correct choice in both A and B. B because it was largely thought and probably correct that a hot enough core could ignite a nuclear explosion ala Hiroshima (Some people think the second explosion was exactly this). Much of the efforts we will see later in the show is attempting to cool down the core so this possibility lessens. There's a really interesting paper that postulates that the first, smaller explosion was a configuration disassembly from the core going prompt supercritical (essentially a fizzled bomb) after the insertion of the control rods, and then that disassembly blew the lid off, which then caused a larger steam/hydrogen explosion and the graphite fire. Pretty much everything between the start of the turbine wind-down and and the second explosion is all theoretical. It's crazy how many ways you can recreate the event with math and it all gets you to the right place at the end. I did an undergrad paper on it for one of my engineering classes when we were talking about risk management. Being aerospace, just about everyone did Apollo 1 or Challenger.
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BigglesSWE posted:One part that will likely be included and will likely be pretty intense is the cleanup operations of the roof; during which men had to run out there in protective gear, graba hold of some irradiated piece of junk, throw it in a pile and then run the hell out of dodge in like a minute, or suffer fatal radiation exposure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5GTvaW34O0 This documentary rules and has footage of those cleanup efforts. Highly recommend.
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May 10, 2019 02:35
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This book was really good (recently released, with new poo poo since I last read a bunch about the accident.) https://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Chernobyl-Greatest-Nuclear-Disaster-ebook/dp/B07GNV7PNH
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Did they say that their meters only go to 3.8 roentgens, which, if released would be a pretty big deal? Because lolGonz posted:
...hearing that and then seeing people stare into the mouth of hell was just  Not sure how this show doesn't turn into a completely different genre after the horror film that was episode one.
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May 10, 2019 02:58
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The wiki article on the disaster makes it sound like the only meter capable of reading the radiation that high was destroyed in the explosion. All the others just read off the scale.
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zenguitarman posted:Did they say that their meters only go to 3.8 roentgens, which, if released would be a pretty big deal? Because lol They keep saying "3.6", but then get interrupted while clarifying that 3.6 is as high as this particular instrument goes. The one that can read 1000 burns out and the one that can read 200 burns out.
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If I looked directly at a fission reactor while it was burning I'd probably find a way to kill myself before I was unable to walk. gently caress dying from 30,000 roentgens to the face over the course of a few days
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May 10, 2019 04:05
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My favorite thing about everybody cutting off the poor bastards trying to explain 3.61 was the machine maxxing out was that at the very end when they tell Jared Harris' character it is 3.61, he says,"Well that's pretty significant, they should evacuate immediately!" when everybody else had said,"It's not good but it's not a disaster."
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EvilBlackRailgun posted:If I looked directly at a fission reactor while it was burning I'd probably find a way to kill myself before I was unable to walk. gently caress dying from 30,000 roentgens to the face over the course of a few days well the quickest way would to throw yourself on it and hope you pass out from radiation before you burn too much
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Stairmaster posted:well the quickest way would to throw yourself on it and hope you pass out from radiation before you burn too much Then you get to be part of the corium!
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Raccooon posted:The wiki article on the disaster makes it sound like the only meter capable of reading the radiation that high was destroyed in the explosion. It wasn’t destroyed in the blast: they turned it on and it maxed out at 2k roentgens and then burned out so they just said it was  defective.
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May 10, 2019 04:27
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Was having the "good" meters in a locked safe a real thing? That seems like a terrible idea.
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May 10, 2019 04:41
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I'm thankfully, blissfully unaware of the ins and outs of radiation treatment, what was the significance of the nurse asking the doctor about their iodine stock? It seemed like it was going to play into things down the line.
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May 10, 2019 05:42
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Jerusalem posted:I'm thankfully, blissfully unaware of the ins and outs of radiation treatment, what was the significance of the nurse asking the doctor about their iodine stock? It seemed like it was going to play into things down the line. Iodine is an anti-radiation drug which helps protect the thyroid gland from radiation, especially with acute doses or children. https://emergency.cdc.gov/radiation/ki.asp I had a neighbor who was a wannabe prepper who kept a stock in his bathroom  just in case. 
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May 10, 2019 06:09
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I concour that going native accent is best, having a forced russian accent would have make a serious subject farsical. I'll try convincing my mom into seeing this, she lived thru the chernobyl scare(technically I did too but ,being less than 30 days old at the time, i hope you will excuse me for not remembering  ) so I'm curious to see her reaction to the miniseries.
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May 10, 2019 06:28
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Jerusalem posted:Thanks! Ironically in the glorious social republic only the rich kids got it.
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May 10, 2019 06:43
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Ahh yes comrade but have you considerered the lack of crime in glorious soviet socialist republic! Edit the horrors of this show make Comrade Detective even funnier if possible.
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I was able to watch the entire miniseries through work. While the rest of the series didn't have the same ominous horror of the first episode, those kind of moments are still scattered throughout. When Vasily's wife sneaks in to see him and it finally switches to a shot of him, it's horrifying. Jared Harris and Stellan Skarsgard make for an entertaining two-hander, and I'm glad that it isn't a total hit piece of communist Russia. A lot of the leaders are reasonable, and the ones that aren't are assholes in the same way lots of current governments would be assholes. Emily Watson is also a standout, as usual. The best character is the dude who runs the coal mines. LesterGroans fucked around with this message at 06:56 on May 10, 2019 |
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Iodine is an anti-radiation drug which helps protect the thyroid gland from radiation, especially with acute doses or children. Specifically your thyroid absorbs iodine (it's one of the few parts of your body that does) and one of the elements of radioactive fallout is radioactive iodine isotopes. Your thyroid tends to sucks these up and it's bad when your thyroid has integrated radioactive iodine isotopes, cause now you have a radioactive thyroid. So you flood your thyroid with non-radioactive isotopes so that your thyroid doesn't integrate the radioactive ones.
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I remember buying some iodine capsules from the grocery store when Fukushima happened. You know. “Just in case.”
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bloom posted:Was having the "good" meters in a locked safe a real thing? That seems like a terrible idea.
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Unormal posted:Specifically your thyroid absorbs iodine (it's one of the few parts of your body that does) and one of the elements of radioactive fallout is radioactive iodine isotopes. Your thyroid tends to sucks these up and it's bad when your thyroid has integrated radioactive iodine isotopes, cause now you have a radioactive thyroid. So you flood your thyroid with non-radioactive isotopes so that your thyroid doesn't integrate the radioactive ones. I knew about thyroids being affected by radiation, but I didn't know about fallout containing iodine being the cause. When I was a kid, for a few years our babysitter was this really sweet girl from Belarus (my dad ran this work study program at his high school, and after he found out her reason for working in it was 'helping her family repay the people that helped them move to the US' he offered her the gig). She had that scar just below her throat from having her thyroid removed. I remember asking her about it, and she told eight-year-old me there was an 'accident' at a 'factory' and a lot of people got sick, so she needed surgery; which was something I could wrap my head around. When I got older I found out what Chernobyl was and realized what happened to her and why she had that scar. Speaking of Belarus, this is a pretty interesting article about how badly the country was affected by the disaster: https://www.usatoday.com/amp/82888796
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A FB copy and paste from my Ukrainian expat friend who was a kid in Kiev when this poo poo went down:quote:Saw this last night and it was good! I hope they show some of the aftermath in the country and nearby cities, because I can’t speak for everyone in Pripyat, as I wasn’t there, but in parts of my town, as soon as we found out about the truth of the matter the next week, many of my neighbors just dropped what they were doing and put as much as they could in a briefcase or luggage and either drove or took trains to the south. Some classmates of mine ended up in Odessa near the Black Sea to stay with family. They were told that it was a vacation. Their parents didn’t want to scare them. Not tonight, but probably this weekend, i’ll find some good shots she took of the Exclusion Zone and post ‘em in here.
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LadyPictureShow posted:I knew about thyroids being affected by radiation, but I didn't know about fallout containing iodine being the cause. Yeah it's dangerous because of the uranium fission products that are most commonly produced, iodine is the only one our bodies actually use; the rest can get lodged somewhere (like if you breathe in radioactive particulates) but they normally aren't sucked up by biological processes to integrate. Iodine is, however, so you really want to blockade it.
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bloom posted:Was having the "good" meters in a locked safe a real thing? That seems like a terrible idea. Nyet comrade, meter is fine.
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Capn Beeb posted:Nyet comrade, meter is fine. *begins shedding layers of skin* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kpZVTe7bng “Yesssss. I am fiiiiiiine!”
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Unormal posted:This book was really good (recently released, with new poo poo since I last read a bunch about the accident.) Also good if you're interested in this sort of thing is Atomic Accidents by James Mahaffey. It's a bit dry but goes into lots of detail. And there's the utterly terrifying One Point Safe by Andrews & Leslie Cockburn. It's not about nuclear accidents, but it is about the mishandling of nuclear material and the risk of nuclear terrorism. Like the canisters of radioactive waste which were found being stored in an old shed secured with a padlock, or the time some dudes just drove out of a weapon factory with two warheads on the back of their truck. The book ends with a lovely bit about Russia doing an inventory of its man-portable nukes and finding out that the numbers they have written down don't match what they can find in their warehouses which was a fun thing to read just before bed.
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Despera posted:Dousing the core with water was the correct choice in both A and B. B because it was largely thought and probably correct that a hot enough core could ignite a nuclear explosion ala Hiroshima (Some people think the second explosion was exactly this). Much of the efforts we will see later in the show is attempting to cool down the core so this possibility lessens. On a theoretical level, yes. In practice however, the cooling lines were completely severed thanks to the enormous explosion that happened. It was entirely pointless and none of the cooling water actually came anywhere close to reaching the remains of the core. In fact, it seems like opening the valves may have actually helped spread the contamination around some more, which is deeply ironic since they were wading in highly radioactive water that had mixed in with the reactor fuel for no real benefit.
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Jerusalem posted:Thanks! I'm pretty sure at the time the only hospital equipped to handle acute radiation sickness like that is all the way in Moscow, which is where a lot of the victims end up.
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The accent thing was only an issue for the first 10 or so minutes when I thought there were actual British dudes working at Chernobyl for some reason then it dawned on me that noone was trying to sound Russian
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man the old guy in the bunker is straight up maester leuwin from game of thrones early seasons
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