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Also, if I recall, the entire game was built around a complete Lord Of The Flies PVP model, with players operating and constructing all towns, destroying other towns, having to log on to defend their poo poo, death makes you drop all your poo poo, theft and destruction gets you better poo poo, etc. There's a reason nobody does this, and it's because players won't pay 10 bucks a month for the experience of getting their asses kicked by unstoppable rear end in a top hat bandits.
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moths posted:Robin Laws made a career out of publishing dubious DM advice in a snarky tone. If that's Laws what words could you have left for John Wick?
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Ratoslov posted:Also, if I recall, the entire game was built around a complete Lord Of The Flies PVP model, with players operating and constructing all towns, destroying other towns, having to log on to defend their poo poo, death makes you drop all your poo poo, theft and destruction gets you better poo poo, etc. There's a reason nobody does this, and it's because players won't pay 10 bucks a month for the experience of getting their asses kicked by unstoppable rear end in a top hat bandits. I mean, in general, yeah. On the other hand: 
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May 10, 2019 04:23
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The release was right after the highwater mark for subscription MMOs anyway - the whole genre feels like it's been winding down.
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May 10, 2019 04:32
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Who doesn't want to visit all of these identical settlements? (It looks like a bunch of turtles in a swamp, to me.) Also: from a year ago but I'm sure it hasn't changed and it's still on the first page of their forum posted:Currently most players do not even see stuff typed in the help channel. You have to intentionally go into the help channel when you first login or anything typed in there remains invisible to you for that session.
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May 10, 2019 04:58
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That Old Tree posted:I mean, in general, yeah. Remember that Kickstarter backers also got a free period to try the MMO out once the alpha went live. It was a set open period that everyone had to do, and if you happened to be unable to access your computer while it was up, you were hosed. Oh and the devs couldn't tell you what would happen if you put items in a chest in your house, then destroyed the house and the chest. As far as they knew the items were lost forever.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Oh and the devs couldn't tell you what would happen if you put items in a chest in your house, then destroyed the house and the chest. As far as they knew the items were lost forever. That's not quite true! They knew it was probably somewhere in the item database. They just didn't know how to access the item database. Maybe they could've put more time into figuring out their own game if they hadn't been distracted by fear of the Looming Goon Menace. the Steve Jobs of MMO marketing <url=wizards.com> posted:I know exactly why the Goons came to EVE. They'll not find the laissez faire reception in Pathfinder Online that they did from CCP. We have to treat the Goons, and folks like them with the Litany Against Fear. (Or maybe the Serenity Prayer)
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May 10, 2019 05:14
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That Old Tree posted:Maybe they could've put more time into figuring out their own game if they hadn't been distracted by fear of the Looming Goon Menace. The griefing would have been glorious, you have to admit.
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mllaneza posted:The griefing would have been glorious, you have to admit. He'sAlreadyDeadSimpsonsGif.jpg
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Ryan Dancey actually succeeded in making a goon-proof game by making a game nobody wanted to play, not even goons.
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Yeah, I doubt goons would stay around to grief after the initial period or whatever. The game needs to be fun even if it's a trash heap and I doubt PFO could be like Age of Wushu.
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Is there some sort of thread repository of goon guild stories? I know GoonFleet's various shenanigans in EVE, and I remember hearing about how batshit Age of Wushu's mechanics were and some of the exploits thereof, but I know there's got to be more out there.
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Not AFAIK. People can burst quoting stories from before in a game's respective thread but AFAIK there's no thread specifically for that. SS13 is also good for stories. Here's one.
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There used to be a griefing stories thread, a while back. A little digging turned it up in the goldmine. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2886637
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Everybody's favourite edgy designer named Zak is asking his Kickstarter backers to help him compile an enemies list again. Maybe he was keeping his old one in google plus?
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I'm pretty sure Goons murdered me in Haven and Hearth, I bet that was a hoot for them. I miss that old version of the game.
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May 10, 2019 08:47
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Leperflesh posted:I've thought about doing this, actually; but it'd be pretty ballsy to claim expertise while never having even attempted to write & publish a RPG product. So I'd have to do some proper research and talk to a bunch of professional game publishers; my standards for something I'd print with my name on it are way way higher than just talking poo poo in a forums post.
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May 10, 2019 08:56
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Warthur posted:Why put your birth name on it when "Leperflesh's Guide to Publishing" would be so much more eye-catching?
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May 10, 2019 08:57
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Everybody's favourite edgy designer named Zak is asking his Kickstarter backers to help him compile an enemies list again. Maybe he was keeping his old one in google plus?
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May 10, 2019 09:06
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I, for one, as someone who would someday like to maybe possibly publish some RPG hacks and things, would deeply appreciate even a 'cheap and dirty guide to formatting a fun technical document for RPG games.' And would definitely toss $5 at one.
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Joe Slowboat posted:I, for one, as someone who would someday like to maybe possibly publish some RPG hacks and things, would deeply appreciate even a 'cheap and dirty guide to formatting a fun technical document for RPG games.' And would definitely toss $5 at one. I'm not trying to discourage Leperflesh here, as I think they'd also have a lot to contribute, but Kevin Crawford already kinda sorta tried to do this: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/144651/Exemplars--Eidolons
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May 10, 2019 09:28
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Warthur posted:He'll probably have help too, sadly. Anyone still keen on Demon City is likely to be solidly in his corner, and he's putting some serious leverage on the sense of co-ownership and community which Kickstarter already tends to foster naturally. The backer comments are full of people mad at him. And him fighting with them, of course. It's pretty amazing.
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That Old Tree posted:And him fighting with them, of course. He has a moral obligation to always speak the truth at every opportunity, don't you know? It's why he's still fighting the FailForward fight. It would be immoral of him to not hound Fred Hicks at every opportunity or find something more productive to do with his time!
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mllaneza posted:The griefing would have been glorious, you have to admit.
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That Old Tree posted:The backer comments are full of people mad at him.
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Thranguy posted:If that's Laws what words could you have left for John Wick? poo poo, I got them confused again.
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Ratoslov posted:Also, if I recall, the entire game was built around a complete Lord Of The Flies PVP model, with players operating and constructing all towns, destroying other towns, having to log on to defend their poo poo, death makes you drop all your poo poo, theft and destruction gets you better poo poo, etc. There's a reason nobody does this, and it's because players won't pay 10 bucks a month for the experience of getting their asses kicked by unstoppable rear end in a top hat bandits. No one except Paizo/Dancey was dumb enough to give them what they thought they wanted.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Everybody's favourite edgy designer named Zak is asking his Kickstarter backers to help him compile an enemies list again. Maybe he was keeping his old one in google plus? He still has the old list, there’s just a lot more people to add now. It’s just distribution of effort, why would he do it himself when he can get rubes to do it for him? Except he doesn’t have any good way to herd rubes anymore (and also has fewer rubes).
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moths posted:Your forums posts are more professional than the industry's publishing standards. Just write up 16 or 32 pages on the Oxford comma, why "OPPONENT LOSES NEXT TURN" can be misread as an auto-win, and some other stupidly dumb common mistakes writers make by refusing to blind playtest or revise anything. Is that how Frank Trollman got "you can only tag yourself" out of D&D 4E, or whatever nonsense he was on about?
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Comrade Gorbash posted:There's a certain class of MMO player who keep posting this as their wishlist for a game... because they think they'll be the unstoppable rear end in a top hat bandits. Except 99% of them won't, they'll be the people getting crushed. Basically they're MMO libertarians. I've got to point out there's dumbshits like me that really unironically enjoy playing games exactly like that, in games like Haven and Hearth. Foraging for berries and nuts for meager survival and being chased by wild boars until my legs collapse only to be killed by a Russian for being within 10km of "his" high quality clay is unironically the peasant death simulator that I love. There's literally dozens of us!
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Comrade Gorbash posted:There's a certain class of MMO player who keep posting this as their wishlist for a game... because they think they'll be the unstoppable rear end in a top hat bandits. Except 99% of them won't, they'll be the people getting crushed. Basically they're MMO libertarians. Yeah, EVE only works because Iceland has discovered a way to tap into the power of spaceship nerds with high income.
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Dawgstar posted:Is that how Frank Trollman got "you can only tag yourself" out of D&D 4E, or whatever nonsense he was on about? I think Trollman's tortured logic involved how enemies were defined in 4e. This is a reference to the old MtG Timewalk card, which famously said "Opponent loses next turn." You'd play it, end your turn, and automatically win because now it's the next turn and your opponent loses.
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Dawgstar posted:Is that how Frank Trollman got "you can only tag yourself" out of D&D 4E, or whatever nonsense he was on about? It was even dumber than that. He saw a rule that powers that targets "allies" can't target you unless the power specifically says it can, and that "enemy" is defined as "combatants who are not your allies". He took this to mean, since you are a combatant and aren't considered an ally, that you are your own enemy. It was a reading you would only arrive at if you were looking to interpret the rules in bad faith, but, Trollman.
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TheArchimage posted:It was even dumber than that. He saw a rule that powers that targets "allies" can't target you unless the power specifically says it can, and that "enemy" is defined as "combatants who are not your allies". He took this to mean, since you are a combatant and aren't considered an ally, that you are your own enemy. It was a reading you would only arrive at if you were looking to interpret the rules in bad faith, but, Trollman. https://youtu.be/0VxLQZPqI2M
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Everybody's favourite edgy designer named Zak is asking his Kickstarter backers to help him compile an enemies list again. Maybe he was keeping his old one in google plus? Aw, and look at his twitter: Molly Crabapple is still buying into his sensitive artist crap. Someone didn’t spend a lot of time reflecting on why Weev was able to sucker them, huh?
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Thanlis posted:Someone didn’t spend a lot of time reflecting on why Weev was able to sucker them, huh? I googled into this and can't imagine how anyone can unerringly go two for two on scumbag Twitter crushes.
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PinheadSlim posted:I've got to point out there's dumbshits like me that really unironically enjoy playing games exactly like that, in games like Haven and Hearth. Foraging for berries and nuts for meager survival and being chased by wild boars until my legs collapse only to be killed by a Russian for being within 10km of "his" high quality clay is unironically the peasant death simulator that I love. Really, the bigger problem is PFO is a boring, buggy, mess. Nothing worth trying and therefore nobody worth trying to grief.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Really, the bigger problem is PFO is a boring, buggy, mess. Nothing worth trying and therefore nobody worth trying to grief. Oh yeah, I've smelled poo poo on PFO since day one. I usually fall hook, line, and sinker for ambitious nerd projects but anyone with a brain could tell it was never going to work.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Really, the bigger problem is PFO is a boring, buggy, mess. Nothing worth trying and therefore nobody worth trying to grief.
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