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Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

I can't count the amount of times I'm sitting there squaring off with a dude and I go in for an almost completely vertical overhead and one of my loving teammates run directly in front of me and gets destroyed by it lmao

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Mr.Unique-Name
Jul 5, 2002

Glenn Quebec posted:

Oh yeah try stabbing, overhands or underhands instead of cleaving through your allies.

Tell them that.

If I'm around teammates and aware of that I'll use overheads or try to maneuver around for a side swing. My issue is when my teammates weren't around at the start but decide to try to rush in and shoulder check me out of the way from one of my flanks when I'm mid swing and they eat a hammer to the side of their head as they run in.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Phlegmish posted:

So, playing 3/2/1 eveningstar right now...if I want to play a smashy boi that's a bit faster, is mace the way to go? Which armor combination?

Hm. Faster how? Maul instakills very easily. Eveningstar instakills headshots and has good reach. Mace always takes two hits.

Edit: I mean yeah, idiots eating poo poo when you're paying attention doesn't count. Who gives a poo poo about them.

deadseedinside
Jul 6, 2018

Possibly a confused chimpanzee. Approach with caution and snacks.

megane posted:

The inexplicable contingent of players who join every single game where you can play a sniper and then do literally nothing but snipe ineffectually from max range for 1500 hours is here in force.

i mean .. that's partially a symptom of the socialism payouts with the xp and gold.

I can have a solid round and i can have a poo poo round and the compensation is not really that different as long as I was in the round from start to finish.

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


megane posted:

The inexplicable contingent of players who join every single game where you can play a sniper and then do literally nothing but snipe ineffectually from max range for 1500 hours is here in force.

This. Was playing in mountain peak and it was literally full of archers hiding on high ledges and randomly shooting arrows in the big ground level melee hoping to get a kill, from both teams.

I wouldn't cry if they removed all ranged weapons except throwables honestly, catapults and ballistas included

deadseedinside
Jul 6, 2018

Possibly a confused chimpanzee. Approach with caution and snacks.

TorakFade posted:

This. Was playing in mountain peak and it was literally full of archers hiding on high ledges and randomly shooting arrows in the big ground level melee hoping to get a kill, from both teams.

I wouldn't cry if they removed all ranged weapons except throwables honestly, catapults and ballistas included

or just restrict the total number of archers on each side like with horses.

once 2 blue spawn in as archer primary, class is locked until those guys swap loadouts and open up an archer slot

edit: lol and then troll your team by taking an archery slot but only use your melee side weapon to attack with

Orv
May 4, 2011
If you go X minutes with a bow in your loadout without a bow kill you're automatically kicked from the server.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.

Glenn Quebec posted:

Who gives a poo poo about them.

Anyone who was counting on that swing going through and braining the enemy instead of stopping in some shitlord's shoulder blade

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Here's my mace guy:



I ended up with a Saints Row color scheme for no real reason. Want to try him out.

Jesustheastronaut!
Mar 9, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

Glenn Quebec posted:

I just had a match where I was 54 - 12. I've never done so well and loving nvidia overlay just would not click on. So loving bummed.

Well, at least got some posterity from that match, thanks to the general stats page:



I'm also having problems with nvidias overlay/ shadowplay. For some reason this game just locks it up to hell. It takes like 10 minutes for the overlay to come up, and god help you if you pressed the hotkey several times wondering wtf is taking so long, because 10 minutes from now you're going to be getting the overlay popping up about 100 times. The only fix I've found is play in borderless and then exit the game after something cool happens so that SP can instant replay my desktop

Pursued by bees
Jan 1, 2013

heartful of fire
with no one left to tell

deadseedinside posted:

or just restrict the total number of archers on each side like with horses.

once 2 blue spawn in as archer primary, class is locked until those guys swap loadouts and open up an archer slot

edit: lol and then troll your team by taking an archery slot but only use your melee side weapon to attack with

:lol: the amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth that restriction would cause, I love it

e: actually please apply that to shields and rapiers as well

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



So umm why does it seem like some people close 5-10 foot.gaps while horizontal swinging broadswords and I don't seem to do the same? Is this a perk, a mechanic, or just what the game engine does at times?

Orv
May 4, 2011

Zotix posted:

So umm why does it seem like some people close 5-10 foot.gaps while horizontal swinging broadswords and I don't seem to do the same? Is this a perk, a mechanic, or just what the game engine does at times?

When you attack and move forward there is an in-built lunge, basically a speed increase while in the attack. I think you might be able to sprint at the right time to increase the boost but I've had a hard time confirming it.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Phlegmish posted:

So, playing 3/2/1 eveningstar right now...if I want to play a smashy boi that's a bit faster, is mace the way to go? Which armor combination?
Maul is the slowest weapon in the entire game, but it loops around to the fastest killing sprees in the game when you smash 3-5 full plate helmets open like watermelons in a row :black101:

I really need to use the Mace and Eveningstar more. They feel far, far more practical. But I miss being able to turn around a bad fight with that one perfect swing / braining archers that splurged on a helmet when I sneak up on them.

Orv posted:

If you go X minutes with a bow in your loadout without a bow kill you're automatically kicked from the server.
This would kick me from so many servers because my crossbow man wildly spirals between "Just killed three knights with an arming sword :buddy:" to "And now to shoot that archer-whoops they shot me first :sigh:"

On the bright side, I've never teamkilled anyone with a crossbow! Because I'm a huge baby who hates hitting teammates :ohdear: So in I go with the sword again!

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



So do I just hold forward, or do I stand still and hit forward at the same time that I swing?

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
As much as I dislike certain builds I think locking them out is lame and the people who'd like that gigantic babies.

Orv
May 4, 2011

Zotix posted:

So do I just hold forward, or do I stand still and hit forward at the same time that I swing?

Hold forward is fine, there might be a timing element involved that I don't know about that allows the more extreme lunges I occasionally I see.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Jesustheastronaut! posted:

I'm also having problems with nvidias overlay/ shadowplay. For some reason this game just locks it up to hell. It takes like 10 minutes for the overlay to come up, and god help you if you pressed the hotkey several times wondering wtf is taking so long, because 10 minutes from now you're going to be getting the overlay popping up about 100 times. The only fix I've found is play in borderless and then exit the game after something cool happens so that SP can instant replay my desktop

It totally stinks because the 31 kill run was truly awesome and I'll never replicate it.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
archer spam is annoying, but most archers are the type that sits at their spawn shooting specks in the distance, so just flank long way around and get a quad kill with your estoc or whatever, imo. the type of archer who sits 5 feet behind his front line and picks off everyone trying to retreat to heal is horrifying to see though.

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



I know there are some guides in the OP, are there any others worth reading/watching well? Or any youtubers of note? My game was crashing constantly 2 days ago, and a new driver came out yesterday and I was able to play an hour and a half earlier with no issues, so I'm hoping that trend continues and I can focus on learning more of the mechanics.

Meme Emulator
Oct 4, 2000

deadseedinside posted:

you can pick up the horse's poo poo and throw it at people for damage.



goty

You can also get turds out of the 50 gold loot crate during a horde match. So glad I spent a hoe + light armor + a rock on a turd.

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


Jesustheastronaut! posted:

I'm also having problems with nvidias overlay/ shadowplay. For some reason this game just locks it up to hell. It takes like 10 minutes for the overlay to come up, and god help you if you pressed the hotkey several times wondering wtf is taking so long, because 10 minutes from now you're going to be getting the overlay popping up about 100 times. The only fix I've found is play in borderless and then exit the game after something cool happens so that SP can instant replay my desktop

I'm using Geforce Experience (which I believe is the current name of Shadowplay?) and the overlay I pull up with ALT+Z works perfectly, every shortcut just works actually - screenshots, instant reply, normal recording and streaming to Twitch too! I got many humiliating instant replays of me dying horribly the 2 minutes 30 seconds prior to the 30 seconds where I did something awesome and saved. (BTW, how long do you usually set your instant replays' duration? I found for a game like Mordhau where everything happens very quickly, 3 minutes is almost too much and I'm thinking of putting it to 2,5 or even 2 minutes to avoid having to edit / scour footage for the actual cool things I wanted to save)

I have a Ryzen 2600X@4,2Ghz with an EVGA 1080, maybe weaker/older CPUs might have trouble keeping up with it? The game, while pretty well optimized, seem to push my CPU hard and I can imagine a 4 core slower cpu would have trouble doing something else while running the game.

Also the game is very choppy on startup, like "freezing" for 4-5 seconds on the main screen before the model of your stabbyman appears, and then another 2-3 second before you can actually move the mouse or select a button or whatever. After that though, it's smooth flowing, since I dialed down the overclock on my GPU I had 0 crashes

megane
Jun 20, 2008



Larry Parrish posted:

archer spam is annoying, but most archers are the type that sits at their spawn shooting specks in the distance, so just flank long way around and get a quad kill with your estoc or whatever, imo. the type of archer who sits 5 feet behind his front line and picks off everyone trying to retreat to heal is horrifying to see though.

my problem with archers is that if you flank round and get the jump on them they just instantly whip out a longsword and are 99% as combat effective as you are

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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Phlegmish posted:

So, playing 3/2/1 eveningstar right now...if I want to play a smashy boi that's a bit faster, is mace the way to go? Which armor combination?

Armor is mostly just preference but personally I run 2/3/1 on just about everything (there are way too many things that can two-hit-kill through chainmail body armor) and spend the rest of the points on some assortment of perks. Maybe if you're feeling saucy you can get some throwing axes or firebombs.

megane posted:

my problem with archers is that if you flank round and get the jump on them they just instantly whip out a longsword and are 99% as combat effective as you are

This is 99% of my archer gameplan. I barely actually get kills with the recurve bow I just like dueling the angry melee guys who charge over to fight the archers.

RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 10, 2019

yorkinshire
Apr 28, 2009

In space no one can hear your dope beats.
The best archer build is triple throwing axe.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



RPATDO_LAMD posted:

Armor is mostly just preference but personally I run 2/3/1 on just about everything (there are way too many things that can two-hit-kill through chainmail body armor) and spend the rest of the points on some assortment of perks.

That makes sense...just one question, is 2/3/1 just as fast as 3/2/1, or is the latter faster?

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

megane posted:

my problem with archers is that if you flank round and get the jump on them they just instantly whip out a longsword and are 99% as combat effective as you are
By design archers use up a ton of points on the archer weapon and often might even pick up the archer perks, so they're gonna be gimped at least in the armor even if they pick up a good melee weapon off the ground. You can probably 1-shot them w/ a big 2-hander in the head or even the torso.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
Yeah, a longbow is 11 I think. Crossbow is a little less and recurve even less. That's still a bit chunk of 16 points.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



I don't know if horses add a lot to the combat other than flavor, either you see them coming and then it's trivially easy to parry, or you don't and you're suddenly dead.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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Crossbow and recurve bow cost the same amount of points.

The crossbow is easier to aim and does higher damage (barely higher than the longbow, even!) but you're helpless for a long time while reloading it so using it anywhere near a melee fight will quickly get your oblivious head chopped off.
Recurve damage is kinda low but it's really fast to aim and shoot so you can stick closer to the fight and still have time to switch to melee instead of dying horribly.

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

Is this game really as hardware intensive as the requirements make it sound?

This would be the first game in years I couldn't play. Granted, my rig is badly in need of upgrades but it's just wort of weird to see. Maybe this is the final sign...

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



What does it mean for an emote to be locked? You can do them just fine, even if there's no sound.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Phlegmish posted:

I don't know if horses add a lot to the combat other than flavor, either you see them coming and then it's trivially easy to parry, or you don't and you're suddenly dead.

That's because they are underbaked. People should be able to couch against horse charges and horses should be more numerous but less effective.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Phlegmish posted:

What does it mean for an emote to be locked? You can do them just fine, even if there's no sound.

You're locked in an animation during it which may get you killed.

cerebral
Oct 24, 2002

I don't hate archers, I just hate having archers on my team. I admit it, I'm a sweaty try-hard, and I enjoy winning more than I enjoy losing, and in this game, like every game ever, your chances of winning are inversely proportional to the amount of archers/snipers on your team. The guys that use bows as extended spears are few and far between, and the vast majority of people using bows are standing as far back from the action as humanly possible.

On one hand, people should be allowed to enjoy the game however they want, but on the other, I hate them.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Orv posted:

When you attack and move forward there is an in-built lunge, basically a speed increase while in the attack. I think you might be able to sprint at the right time to increase the boost but I've had a hard time confirming it.
I think how far/fast you can lunge might also depend on your armor loadout.

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


Glenn Quebec posted:

That's because they are underbaked. People should be able to couch against horse charges and horses should be more numerous but less effective.

hitting a horse, couching or not, for a nontrivial (say +15-20) amount of damage should make it flinch and slow down if not outright stop. It's already hard to time your swings so they actually hit a galloping horse, if you hit it for 30 damage and it just keeps running by (when if you get hit by the horse, even a graze, you'll be instantly flinched and forfeit any attack you were doing), it's a bit overpowered.

Guy on horse = can run around whenever, wherever, as fast as he wants, only way to be stopped is to be hit with a perfectly timed and aimed swing from a polearm

Guy on foot = has to have a polearm, time the swing correctly and hit the rider square on because if only the horse is hit, or you don't have a polearm, or you get grazed by the horse while swinging before your weapon connects, basically nothing happens, lol. Yeah the one time you nail it you'll feel like a God, but it's quite rare

a horse is actually better defense than full armor + shield, unless you're stupid enough to run it into a wall and get stopped in your tracks

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Glenn Quebec posted:

You're locked in an animation during it which may get you killed.

Ah...that makes sense, though I've found that you can block to cancel the animation.

I still got ballista'd twice while dancing though

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

I think you might be able to do insanely stupid shenanigans with building stuff right in front of a charging horse w/ the toolbox.

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Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
I agree. As is, horses are more of a powerup than, let's say, a balanced piece of equipment. Imagine if it costs 5 points to get the perk to unlock horses. Then 1,2,3 points for a light horse, medium, or heavy. Maxed out, that's half your points. It's impossible to wear the heaviest armor everywhere and you're limited to your weapon loadout too. Lower the amount of damage horse momentum gives + couching against horses and the things you mentioned.

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