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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Warren’s ability to connect with voters she talks to on a personal level, to make voters feel she relates to them, and for her policies to also connect personally by weaving them through personal stories, is powerful. Politicians dream of hearing people talk like this.quote:“She feels like she’s one of us,” Stephanie Dicken, 50, of Denver, Iowa, said after Warren’s event. “She doesn’t feel like she’s a politician who has so much more information and her life is so completely different than mine. She feels like my neighbor.” I struggle to think of other candidates who have this ability. I think Beto might. And I’m afraid Biden does. But besides that I’m drawing a blank. This was also Bill Clinton’s ability. Which is why he came out of nowhere to win the presidency. https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1126239118055354369?s=21
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Pinterest Mom posted:https://twitter.com/GovernorBullock/status/1127211761793421317 "A two-term governor of a state that President Trump won by 20 points, this like weird creature from outerspace. A Democrat that wins in rural red America" Wow that sounds useful. A Democrat who can win in Montana? He should run for president! Hey, didn't Roy Cooper also win a Democratic state (North Carolina) on the same day? Not that it wasn't very impressive and he should have run for senate.
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May 11, 2019 17:20
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May 11, 2019 17:41
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Well yeah but have you considered he stumped for a pro-life mayor in Nebraska that one time Let's not forget that he was there with Tom Perez, stumping for that pro-life mayor together as part of the Democratic National Committee Unity Tour. I'm never going to forget that because it was utterly hilarious. Especially when Perez panicked at the unexpected backlash and announced the DNC would no longer support anti-abortion candidates, and then the conservaDem faction flipped out and he had to reverse himself and come back out to say that actually the DNC was fine with abortion opponents after all. Pinterest Mom posted:Biden is literally articulating a critique of the current campaign finance system in that clip! "He's not really saying awful poo poo in this soundbite, he just has a speaking style that makes him seem like he's saying the opposite of what he means in soundbites" isn't really an encouraging defense of a presidential candidate.
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May 11, 2019 18:04
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Z. Autobahn posted:This is good analysis of the polling failure in Michigan, but state-wide polling is notoriously much less reliable than national polling (see: 2016 general) and Michigan is considered the hardest state to poll. Like, while the Michigan polls definitely whiffed disastrously, plenty of other 2016 primary/general polls were much more reliable. Like I could just as easily point to plenty of states where the polling got it right? And even with whiffs like Michigan, they were still significantly more right than wrong. Indiana and Michigan both went Bernie, unexpectedly. The way the polling was done began with 'centers of influence', and for Indiana, it regarded Indianapolis as the only 'center of influence.' Afterwards, it came out that 30-somethings from South Bend (a category that includes myself, Mayor Pete, and number of posters on this board, etc) favored bernie and were significantly influential in a way the polling didn't account for (since South Bend had been regarded as a 'dying city' the last tie 'round). South Bend also borders Michigan. Just sayin'.
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May 11, 2019 18:06
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Pinterest Mom posted:
But in the full clip Biden was agreeing with Paul Ryan that we need to cut social security and Medicare! The context of the clip was critiquing Paul Ryan's tax cuts for requiring too deep of cuts yeah, but then he went on to say "look we gotta cut them regardless let's talk means testing"
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May 11, 2019 18:35
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This is a really great point https://twitter.com/davidklion/status/1126917014981873665?s=21 So many Dem voters are extremely fond of Obama (I still like him though my enthusiasm has waned a bit). And unfortunately getting dem voters to reject Biden night require making them think less of Obama. And that’s just an incredibly tall order.
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May 11, 2019 18:50
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VitalSigns posted:But in the full clip Biden was agreeing with Paul Ryan that we need to cut social security and Medicare! I'm also not clear on why it's laudatory for Biden to say that lobbyist money is "corrosive" and then run a campaign based on big money donations. The fact he can identify and acknowledge the problem actually makes his behaviour look worse not better.
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May 11, 2019 18:51
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Helsing posted:I'm also not clear on why it's laudatory for Biden to say that lobbyist money is "corrosive" and then run a campaign based on big money donations. The fact he can identify and acknowledge the problem actually makes his behaviour look worse not better. Of course, and I agree. But that's a honest critique of a behaviour, not an out of context clip that cuts out the next part that says "and that's why we need public financing."
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May 11, 2019 19:06
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Uglycat posted:Indiana and Michigan both went Bernie, unexpectedly. The way the polling was done began with 'centers of influence', and for Indiana, it regarded Indianapolis as the only 'center of influence.' Afterwards, it came out that 30-somethings from South Bend (a category that includes myself, Mayor Pete, and number of posters on this board, etc) favored bernie and were significantly influential in a way the polling didn't account for (since South Bend had been regarded as a 'dying city' the last tie 'round). South Bend also borders Michigan. As someone who worked for Bernie in Michigan (canvassing in Pontiac and Detroit), it was also very much a situation where Hillary wanted to make it very clear that the state was won, so she had no ground game. The polls said she was going to win, so that's that. And she lost. No lessons were learned.
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May 11, 2019 19:07
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May 11, 2019 19:30
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I know it's been said before, but if Biden gets the nomination, this country gets what it deserves. 
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May 11, 2019 19:50
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To be fair to Biden, he's saying that's why we need electoral reform to get big money out of politics. To be honest about Biden, he also holds big donor events hosted by ultra wealthy union busters. I'm sure he has an explanation for how he is somehow immune to what he calls this corrosive effect that is inherent to human nature. I also hate his repeated "they're not bad people" that he prefaces EVERY statement about bad people with.
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May 11, 2019 20:17
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I also hate his repeated "they're not bad people" that he prefaces EVERY statement about bad people with. It can't be doing him any favors. I don't remember Hillary having to apologize this much for bad people, she wisely just didn't bring them up. (I know that clip is from 2008, but he did the "they're not bad people" bit recently too with regard to Wall Street bankers and CEOs) ETA https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1127233805063000064 WampaLord fucked around with this message at 20:26 on May 11, 2019 |
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May 11, 2019 20:20
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WampaLord posted:It can't be doing him any favors. I don't remember Hillary having to apologize this much for bad people, she wisely just didn't bring them up. So far the list of actually bad people according to Biden begins and ends with Trump. Everyone else is just a powerless victim of circumstance. The Republicans and their wealthy backers giving Trump a rubber stamp on 95% of his policies and a 90% approval rating are just poor fools being taken for a ride by supervillain Trump and his mind control powers.
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May 11, 2019 20:31
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theblackw0lf posted:This is a really great point So many Dem voters think the US is a force for good in the world, even under Trump. The thing about tall orders is that it just means the work is that much more important.
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May 11, 2019 20:39
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Just look at all the Democrat's supporting "helping" Venezuela.
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May 11, 2019 20:46
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Radish posted:Just look at all the Democrat's supporting "helping" Venezuela. Remember that time when we invaded and it really benefited the country? You know, like in Ira... no, wait Vietn... no, uh, maybe Afghan... ok well how about our efforts in Liby... hmm. I know, Somalia! *aid rushes over and whispers in my ear* Oh... oh I see. Well the NATO intervention in the Balkans went alright? Sort of?
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May 11, 2019 20:58
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theblackw0lf posted:This is a really great point I don't see why that's the case. Obama isn't popular because people think he's a perfect person who never made mistakes. He's popular because people like him in spite of his mistakes. It seems like a novel take, but ultimately, that tweet is just another spin on "people like Obama, therefore they'll like Biden because he stood next to Obama a lot".
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May 11, 2019 21:02
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I think a lot of the love for Obama is motivated by yearning for a national political leader worth supporting rather than support for anything he actually accomplished once in office.
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May 11, 2019 21:12
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I think the "here's a million lovely things from Biden's past" is a weak tactic because voters have consistently shown they really don't care about what candidates did in their past, because voters generally have a baseline that politicians are frequently shifty and change their views. Like, it works at getting people who already hate Biden more mad at him, but I don't think it changes anyone's mind because "well that was in the past" is a shockingly compelling argument. The good news is that Biden is saying a whole lot of dumb poo poo *in the present* and we can keep hammering him on that.
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May 11, 2019 21:25
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Helsing posted:I think a lot of the love for Obama is motivated by yearning for a national political leader worth supporting rather than support for anything he actually accomplished once in office. He also is genuinely one of the best presidents of the last 50 years, but only because his competition is Clinton and Carter.
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May 11, 2019 21:26
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For being America's first black President Obama sure did nothing to completely eradicate the for profit prison complex and instead side with the Clinton letting Hillary run Kissinger over the middle east, bail out the banks for them, and established powers that be. Maybe at least make show and propose fixing the 13th amendment? Amendment XIII Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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May 11, 2019 21:31
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Helsing posted:I think a lot of the love for Obama is motivated by yearning for a national political leader worth supporting rather than support for anything he actually accomplished once in office. This is pretty clear. It's not like "oh so you think Democrats are doing a bad job, are you saying the man endorsing them, Obama the Great, is bad too?? Hmmmm???" was much help to Democratic candidates in 2010, 2014, and 2016
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May 11, 2019 21:33
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Gatts posted:For being America's first black President Obama sure did nothing to completely eradicate the for profit prison complex and instead side with the Clinton letting Hilary run Kissinger over the middle east, bail out the banks for them, and established powers that be. Maybe at least make show and propose fixing the 13th amendment? Points 1 and 2 are true but to be fair the bank bailout happened under Dubbya
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May 11, 2019 21:33
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fool_of_sound posted:Points 1 and 2 are true but to be fair the bank bailout happened under Dubbya It did? My bad then.
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May 11, 2019 21:34
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Gatts posted:It did? My bad then. Yup, auto bailout was Obama. Bank bailout was one of the last things dubbya did.
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May 11, 2019 21:37
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fool_of_sound posted:Points 1 and 2 are true but to be fair the bank bailout happened under Dubbya It passed under W, but (a) Obama voted for it and stumped for it in the Senate, and (b) the Obama administration took over only a few months after it was signed and administered most of the program. The bill gave him a huge amount of latitude, and he used it to call in all the bank managers who expected to go to prison for their heinous crimes and told them "don't worry I'll give you all the money and protect you from justice while you steal everyone's homes and hey don't hesitate to blow the entire US treasury on hookers and coke the party doesn't have to end here just invite me to billionaire island when this is all over k"
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May 11, 2019 21:37
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fool_of_sound posted:He also is genuinely one of the best presidents of the last 50 years, but only because his competition is Clinton and Carter. If we're measuring presidents in part by the opportunities they squandered then Obama seems worse than either of them.
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May 11, 2019 21:40
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Z. Autobahn posted:I think the "here's a million lovely things from Biden's past" is a weak tactic because voters have consistently shown they really don't care about what candidates did in their past, because voters generally have a baseline that politicians are frequently shifty and change their views. Like, it works at getting people who already hate Biden more mad at him, but I don't think it changes anyone's mind because "well that was in the past" is a shockingly compelling argument. You can keep bringing up both so that it can be hammered into their dipshit heads that Biden Bad. Always Bad. Always will be Bad. Attack him from every side, let the republicans also waste time burning him so maybe the establishment drops him this time to throw trump through a loop. Scorch the earth so that Biden never bothers to come back into politics and just sucks some CEO's dick at a convention for the rest of his wretched lobbist life. Hell, the reason why grandpa creeper on the blue team keeps making GBS threads the bed vocally is because they keep insulting him and like Hillary, he gets offended at how you dare criticize him or the rich. He just is more open to gaffes than Hillary ever was. So step on his old white ego as much as it takes. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 11, 2019 |
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May 11, 2019 21:41
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The important thing that I think a lot of Democrats will feel really squeamish about is that if you want policy attacks to stick then they have to simultaneously be character attacks. None of this "Biden did a bad thing but he's an alright chap" stuff. It's gotta be "Biden is a sex creep pro-credit card monster who wants you to die poor". Not a lot of space for nuance here, though nuance doesn't matter as much when the accusations you're making are actually true.
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May 11, 2019 21:43
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Helsing posted:If we're measuring presidents in part by the opportunities they squandered then Obama seems worse than either of them. Yeah the argument could definitely be made, but on the other hand Clinton was really atrocious
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May 11, 2019 21:45
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This is interesting re: the claims about Biden's support being generational. Biden is competitive with Bernie for young black voters. Which leaves me wondering what Bernie's actual core constituency is at this point? 
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May 11, 2019 22:01
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LinYutang posted:Which leaves me wondering what Bernie's actual core constituency is at this point? The left? Is this really that hard to figure out? His core constituency are Dems who consider themselves "leftists" or "progressives" or "socialists" or whatever term you want to use to describe the left of the party, and they happen to occupy all demographic groups, but they obviously skew younger overall. Also that chart is literally during his announcement bump, let's wait a bit before we start making proclamations about stuff like "Bernie no longer has a core constituency"
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May 11, 2019 22:08
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Seeing the same people latch onto every flavor of the month and declare that It's a good thing it never gets old because they are going to keep doing it every month and never ever apply any introspection to their failed prediction from the last x months.
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May 11, 2019 22:14
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Helsing posted:I think a lot of the love for Obama is motivated by yearning for a national political leader worth supporting rather than support for anything he actually accomplished once in office. It's not hurt that he's sandwiched between the two worst Presidents in living memory. Obama is both an idealized normalcy and the return to an idealized normalcy in one Presidency. People aren't thirsting for drone deaths, attempts to come to a grand bargain, and a war on whistle blowing. They want the greatest national scandal to be the President wearing a tan suit, a cool and calm dude at the wheel, and a feeling of positivity. The actual reality isn't relevant, that's what the general voter took away from the Obama years.
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May 11, 2019 22:40
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1127327782227279873
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May 11, 2019 22:44
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VitalSigns posted:Seeing the same people latch onto every flavor of the month and declare that The core difference being Biden is a boy Hillary down to his bones, on top of pandering to the boomers and republicans that just wanna pretend everything can be okay again if a poo poo dem is president. The silver lining being Biden can gently caress himself out of being picked if he keeps opening his mouth and becomes boring.
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May 11, 2019 22:48
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Insallah.
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VitalSigns posted:Seeing the same people latch onto every flavor of the month and declare that Except Biden was always ahead, and not by "oh look, Jeb! 15% is technically number one" levels, but by real numbers. All these not-Biden flavor of the months never broke 3rd
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