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nielsm posted:Did you check the joists? If the joists are damaged, just cut out the dodgy bits.
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Youth Decay posted:A feral boxhaus has been spotted in the process of consuming an early 1900s Colonial Revival. What a shame. The details on the original build like the dentil are really attractive.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:What a shame. The details on the original build like the dentil are really attractive. quote:“I’ve spent the last 33 years doing nothing but historic work. I certainly could do ‘a Fan house,’ but I’m a restorationist. There’s nothing to restore on a vacant lot, so I should be able to build what the neighborhood needs,” he said. There are thankfully people who disagree with this guy and are building tasteful new construction in the Fan.  These were built in 2016. The insides are really nice too, not a barn door in sight.  Built in 2010.. See, a giant infill house with a roof deck doesn't have to be a monstrosity.
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May 11, 2019 20:01
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I'm going to be the odd man out and say I don't hate the box house. I hate how they extending the old house in the same style so it does look like it's getting eaten, but row houses of varying architectural styles kind of appeals to me. Interesting idea, poor execution.
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May 11, 2019 20:36
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He's full of poo poo if he says his neighbors don't hate it/him. People buying in that area want the historic look, it’s what they pay extra for.
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May 11, 2019 21:19
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I'll be completely honest and say I don't, in any capacity, understand worrying about what my home will do to the neighborhood's aesthetic. Could be my antisocial qualities showing, but I want my house to look the way I want it to, and be located where I want it to, and I wouldn't lose sleep over doing a craftsman home in a Victorian neighborhood or what have you. I get the desire to not tear down historic homes, but an empty lot is a blank slate to my mind.
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May 11, 2019 21:47
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Slugworth posted:I'll be completely honest and say I don't, in any capacity, understand worrying about what my home will do to the neighborhood's aesthetic. Could be my antisocial qualities showing, but I want my house to look the way I want it to, and be located where I want it to, and I wouldn't lose sleep over doing a craftsman home in a Victorian neighborhood or what have you. I get the desire to not tear down historic homes, but an empty lot is a blank slate to my mind. Same. When I was planning out stuff on the front of the house the builder(s) were looking at what the other houses had on the street, and while I kept my mouth shut in the moment my thoughts were "I don't give a flying gently caress what front porch the neighbours have"
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May 11, 2019 22:00
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Slugworth posted:I'll be completely honest and say I don't, in any capacity, understand worrying about what my home will do to the neighborhood's aesthetic. Could be my antisocial qualities showing, but I want my house to look the way I want it to, and be located where I want it to, and I wouldn't lose sleep over doing a craftsman home in a Victorian neighborhood or what have you. I get the desire to not tear down historic homes, but an empty lot is a blank slate to my mind. Which is fine, it's just usually when people want to do whatever they want they don't do it in middle of a somewhat famous historic district known specifically for its turn of the century architecture, on what was one city lot subdivided into 4. Seriously though, parking in the Fan is rear end, living in that area is a compromise and if you're not shopping for the area's aesthetic there are many better places around town to build what you want, with a better quality of life.
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May 11, 2019 22:16
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Jaded Burnout posted:I knew your place was old but I didn't know you'd bought the actual Hill House. Believe it or not, this was not the creepiest basement we saw during our house hunting (definitely second creepiest though). Creepiest belonged to a similar, older house (late 1880s I think). It was like this one, except everything was crooked, floor was all uneven dirt, lighting was worse, and clearance was 5'6" at best. One thing I've learned is that all finished basements in the old houses here are cursed, as I have come to know their true form. The ones that remain unfinished are merely haunted. Proteus Jones posted:Jesus, all that's missing is a bunch of handprints of dried blood and an amateur filmmaker standing in the corner. You know, I've actually seriously considered renting the murder room to photography and film students as a horror set. But only if they've had their tetanus shots.
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May 12, 2019 06:30
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Jaded Burnout posted:Same. When I was planning out stuff on the front of the house the builder(s) were looking at what the other houses had on the street, and while I kept my mouth shut in the moment my thoughts were "I don't give a flying gently caress what front porch the neighbours have" There are options between these two extremes, and you can not give a gently caress about exactly what porch the neighbours have without being the kind of rear end in a top hat who plops down a featureless cube of vinyl siding,
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May 12, 2019 08:57
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GotLag posted:There are options between these two extremes, and you can not give a gently caress about exactly what porch the neighbours have without being the kind of rear end in a top hat who plops down a featureless cube of vinyl siding, It's true, but equally, who cares. Do you buy your house for the view along the street? Maybe if it's extremely pretty, but otherwise..
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May 12, 2019 09:57
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poo poo now I feel like I need to post the murder corner of my unfinished basement.
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May 12, 2019 11:56
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Jaded Burnout posted:It's true, but equally, who cares. Do you buy your house for the view along the street?
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May 12, 2019 13:15
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Splicer posted:but even just owning a dog makes me care about how the immediate neighbourhood looks OK sure, but personally, if I went out on the street with the dog and one of the houses was not to my taste, that would not bother me. It feels a little controlling to be that fussy about the outside of other people's houses if it's not causing someone real distress. I'd much rather have the street itself be nice, tree lined, green spaces, than focus on the bits of the street that aren't mine to enjoy anyway.
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May 12, 2019 13:54
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Jaded Burnout posted:OK sure, but personally, if I went out on the street with the dog and one of the houses was not to my taste, that would not bother me. It feels a little controlling to be that fussy about the outside of other people's houses if it's not causing someone real distress.
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May 12, 2019 14:26
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Splicer posted:You know how one of the McMansion hell staples is having a bunch of stuff that work perfectly fine in isolation but look completely batshit when put together? It's like that but instead of 30 kinds of windows it's houses. Maybe this is a bit of a cultural difference. The majority of streets I've lived on (where the houses were separate enough for this to be an issue) have been of the traditionally English style of having a tiny front yard (at best) and everyone spending time in the back gardens rather than the front. Ain't nobody sitting on no porches. That said, yeah OK so you might end up with a mish-mash. So what? You don't own the street, everybody does, and when you have a few dozen people with no connection to one another all making personal design decisions you're going to end up with a patchwork. I think we both agree on the effect, I just don't think it's a problem. Should everyone have similarly-styled cars parked out front too? This is how you wind up with tyrannical HOAs.
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May 12, 2019 14:33
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Jaded Burnout posted:Should everyone have similarly-styled cars parked out front too? This is how you wind up with tyrannical HOAs. And how you end up with HOA policies that punish/exclude people who can't afford to keep up with some arbitrary standard of appearance.
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May 12, 2019 14:55
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Jaded Burnout posted:OK sure, but personally, if I went out on the street with the dog and one of the houses was not to my taste, that would not bother me. It feels a little controlling to be that fussy about the outside of other people's houses if it's not causing someone real distress. There are houses/buildings in my neighborhood that I'll walk by and be like, "dang that's ugly - the 60's were sure a bad time for architecture" and then I'll keep on walking because there's no point crying over spilt milk. I just note ugly buildings and other architectural discrepancies and dislike them because I'm an anal retentive designer and I can't help it. It's not like I dwell on it. If a neighbor came and said they wanted to do their house up in modern finishes and paint it some weird color, I'd be like, sure whatever. Actually when the folks across the street were painting their house, I was the one suggesting less boring colors. But if they came and said they wanted to build a garage on the front yard (where we all have nice little lawns and porches), I'd fight them hard because it would gently caress up our block's porch-centric community (and block sunlight). All the houses on this block have a front porch and a uniform setback from the street, so everyone can see each other from their porches and it's very friendly and fun. If one rear end in a top hat builds a garage that juts out, then that gets ruined. As for making the street itself nice, I'm all for that (and working on getting street trees planted, and planting a front yard tree of our own). A nice looking street with trees goes a long way in making everything on the street look good in turn.
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May 12, 2019 15:01
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Jaded Burnout posted:Should everyone have similarly-styled cars parked out front too? This is how you wind up with tyrannical HOAs. Lol no it’s not, no proper HOA is going to let you park your car where it can actually be seen
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May 12, 2019 15:03
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A lot of very rational reasons for not caring or caring a little about your neighborhood looks like when I think people care about it for irrational and emotional responses. Mostly qualified as being about the value of your own property when being appraised by potential buyers. I'm in agreement that mostly I don't care if there's a house in a different style. My neighborhood was built out over three decades and there is some variety but mostly homogeneous. I like the weird dollhouse Victorian home around the corner. It's at least clean and well taken care of. I also like historical neighborhoods that preserve the style of their time. The world is big enough to provide places for both kinds of people.
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Queen Victorian posted:But if they came and said they wanted to build a garage on the front yard (where we all have nice little lawns and porches), I'd fight them hard because it would gently caress up our block's porch-centric community (and block sunlight). All the houses on this block have a front porch and a uniform setback from the street, so everyone can see each other from their porches and it's very friendly and fun. If one rear end in a top hat builds a garage that juts out, then that gets ruined. Aye, that's reasonable, we have national planning permission laws which prevent that (mostly).
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May 12, 2019 15:18
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My house was built a good 200 years before the surrounding houses. It’s not radically different but isn’t brick like all the colonials and the layout of the property is way different (only house that’s like 40 yards away from the sidewalk. What I’m saying is, gently caress those losers.
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May 12, 2019 15:30
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The Dave posted:My house was built a good 200 years before the surrounding houses. It’s not radically different but isn’t brick like all the colonials and the layout of the property is way different (only house that’s like 40 yards away from the sidewalk. Back in my day this was all fields. Actually my house and the one next to it were the last in the street to be built (111 years ago) and I think they'd put in the house numbers already and left 3 for the plots that wound up with just our 2 houses, which is why there's a number missing between my house and next door. I should put up a letter box try and use it to create a fake identity or something.
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May 12, 2019 15:35
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Well also houses are evens and odds on the different sides of the street, honestly even being three digits away is super close. Edit course probably they do things differently where you live.
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May 12, 2019 16:12
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True - I own the lot (yard probably since 1940) next to my house, and the number does skip an even digit to the next house - I suppose I could say that my yard has a house number, as it was a building lot back in 1930 when most of the homes on my street were built. Although they changed the code in 2011 so a house could not be built there, it still shows on the plat as a separate lot. GG New Jersey property taxes!
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May 12, 2019 16:28
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Jaded Burnout posted:Maybe this is a bit of a cultural difference. The majority of streets I've lived on (where the houses were separate enough for this to be an issue) have been of the traditionally English style of having a tiny front yard (at best) and everyone spending time in the back gardens rather than the front. Ain't nobody sitting on no porches.
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May 12, 2019 17:11
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StormDrain posted:Well also houses are evens and odds on the different sides of the street, honestly even being three digits away is super close. Yeah there's an actual number missing from the street, even accounting for that. Splicer posted:You seem to be arguing against some manner of authoritarian rule based system, which is a dumb opinion nobody has stated. It's not illegal to build a house that horribly clashes with the existing aesthetic of the neighbourhood and makes it less visually pleasing to look at, and outside of some kind of historical protection situation it shouldn't be. This is a completely separate question as to whether you should. People being upset that people built a house they don't like is what I'm not into. Enshrining it in authority is just the next step in the process. I'm not sure there's a useful distinction between "you can't do this aesthetic thing" and "I'm going to moan that you did this aesthetic thing" in this context.
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May 12, 2019 17:21
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Jaded Burnout posted:Yeah there's an actual number missing from the street, even accounting for that. It's the reason HOAs exist, basically. Everything from "gently caress Cletus and his loving 'project car' that's been rusting on blocks on his front lawn for as long as I've lived here" to "The neighbors don't put their trash cans away within 2 hours of the garbage man coming, and that just won't do" can be enshrined in their bylaws and rules, no matter how retarded, unethical or abusive they may be!
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Sometimes HOAs are good. Sometimes HOAs are bad. In conclusion, HOAs are a land of contrasts.
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Jaded Burnout posted:People being upset that people built a house they don't like is what I'm not into. Enshrining it in authority is just the next step in the process. "Not liking things" as the slippery slope to authoritarianism 
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FCKGW posted:Sometimes HOAs are good. 
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May 12, 2019 18:01
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Death to all HOAs.
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Jaded Burnout posted:Yeah there's an actual number missing from the street, even accounting for that.
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Jaded Burnout posted:Maybe this is a bit of a cultural difference. Remember, the USA doesn't have much history. A neighbourhood of Victorian houses is historic, and not common enough for everyone to be OK with renovating out of existence. In UK terms, imagine someone coming into a village, buying a cottage on a lane of listed homes, and replacing the thatched roof with E: also there's some hatred of gentrification involved. EE: also NIMBYism and pearl-clutching EEE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC#/media/File:ASUS_Eee_White_Alt-small.png ChickenOfTomorrow fucked around with this message at 18:36 on May 12, 2019 |
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There’s one around here who’s sole purpose is to pay for landscaping around the neighborhood and a community pool and it’s like $20/mo
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About the only situation I can conceive of where I'd want an HOA around is for dealing with the kind of person that builds spite houses. Things like "I don't like my neighbor, so I bought all the lots around their lot and put 40'-high concrete walls right up against the property lines so their house is perpetually in shadow" are not illegal (assuming appropriate setbacks, height limits, etc. are obeyed) but incredibly dickish. Fortunately such situations are rare.
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If he has enough spite and dedication to buy three full house lots, a HoA is gonna give him immeasurable power to dick over people.
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May 12, 2019 19:05
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Splicer posted:I understand you're very angry at whoever is making the points you're arguing against, but please stop quoting my posts while doing so. I'm not angry at anyone.
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HOAs aren't necessary if you have a functional local government. My parents formed a neighborhood association because there is basically no local government so they pooled with the neighbors to do stuff like maintain the roads and replace traffic and install lighting. But no one cares what your house looks like and they can't lien your house if you don't trim your lawn or that poo poo.
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Splicer posted:I understand you're very angry at whoever is making the points you're arguing against, but please stop quoting my posts while doing so. Reading back, I think the confusion is coming from me reading this: Splicer posted:I mean, yes? If your house is just somewhere you live and then get in a car to other places from and then drive back to then yeah who cares, but even just owning a dog makes me care about how the immediate neighbourhood looks. Mind you we have strict occupancy to greenspace ratios where I live so there's no such thing as an "empty lot". Gunjin posted:He's full of poo poo if he says his neighbors don't hate it/him. People buying in that area want the historic look, it’s what they pay extra for. So, yeah, you never actually said that you'd be pissed off at someone who built something you hated but that you would care about it when buying your house. And that's fair enough. I'm just skimming erryone's posts too much.
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