mystes posted:

Someone already suggested "Aw shucks," which I liked better.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

I've got a bit of a weird issue here. It's not really an update to my old issues that I posted here, but more of a new issue that cropped up.

I have a tower with JBOD right now that I use for movie and TV show storage and serving, as well as some gaming from Nvidia Shield boxes. I ran out of room in the case but it had a spare spot for a laptop hard drive. I bought a 2TB Western Digital one. It's purpose is to be the temp/new download folder, since I figured I'd let this smaller drive die earlier than an 8tb one that has a ton of movies on it. Also the only drives I've ever had die on me were laptop drives so I figured they aren't built as well as 3.5"" drives. So this laptop drive handling a bunch of data being written to it all day, especially with my home monitoring cameras constantly writing to it.

Anyway this worked fine for two months or so. Then the other day I was getting like 60kbps from SABNZBD when I normally get 900kbps. Since usenet is usually always the same speed, I thought this was weird. As a small test, I copied some files from the 2.5" drive to a 3.5" drive and it was taking forever. I'm talking two hours to move a 4gb file. Windows was reporting that it was transferring at 7mbps which is pathetic.

I pulled it out of the tower and plugged it into an external USB enclosure, thinking maybe my on board SATA port poo poo the bed. It was just as bad. Took forever to even load the contents of a folder. I did a hard drive scan with the Western Digital software and it took 26 loving hours. For reference, I did the same deep scan on a 3.5" drive and it took around 6 hours. Anyway, the scan found no errors. And Crystal Disk Info found no issues with the drive. So it's not even defective somehow.

Anyway my questions are,

1) is this drive shot but is just not reporting errors?

2)Did I seriously kill a drive in just two months? If it's fine, why did it have no issues handling downloads at full speed for two months?

3)if I get a replacement drive is it just going to do this again in two months? The drive runs very cool so heat isn't doing anything to it.

4) I plan to set up Stablebit Drivepool and snapraid soon. Is a laptop drive, even if running at full speed, going to slow down the entire computer? Keep in mind this is all software stuff, no raid hardware is going to be used at all

Anyway I'd appreciate any input on this. I'd just say gently caress it and throw the drive out as 2gb isn't much anyway but I really like the idea of a drive just for stuff being constantly written to it all day for my security cameras and downloads, so a 2tb drive that does nothing else is nice, and it's not taking up space that an 8tb one would. Anyway thanks in advance for any insight!

Zorak of Michigan posted:

Have you checked fragmentation on the drive? It would make sense if it was fast when empty (and thus, all writes were sequential) and then slowed down as it found itself having to do lots of seeks.

Schadenboner posted:

How do I feel about this guy's build list: https://blog.briancmoses.com/2019/03/diy-nas-2019-edition.html ?

Using all 2.5" drives makes me feel slightly but I don't actually know anything about this sort of thing so ?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

Do laptop hard drives fragment quicker than 3.5" drives? Only asking because I've never had this issue with any of my other *checks notes* 22 hard drives

Edit: just checked and windows 10 says the drive is 0% fragmented

IOwnCalculus posted:

Why on Earth aren't you using a SSD for a scratch drive? Even a cheap one in the 200-500gb range is worth it for that workload. Download things to that drive first, then move them off to your array so the array doesn't get fragmented.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

I thought SSDs weren't great for write speed (more for read speed?) and it's basically a fact that they die from too many writes, right? I would imagine my surveillance program writing to it literally 24 hours a day would kill it within a year or two, no?

Crunchy Black posted:

Inshallah.

Heners_UK posted:

I'll try and buy some more memory for the ts430 but children eat money

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

I'd happily use an SSD as a scratch drive but it seems like a waste of money considering this drive did everything fine 2 months ago?

Less Fat Luke posted:

Your drive is hosed, SMART is just a guidance and won't always show problems. If it's under warranty replace it.

Twerk from Home posted:

Is anybody using an HP Microserver Gen10? Are they an awful value for money? I've been using an i5-4250u NUC that I got on eBay used for $110 with a 5TB external shingled Seagate hooked up to it as a VM host and NAS for almost 5 years now, and I finally want redundancy and more storage.

I'm willing to have a somewhat weird low performance setup in exchange for better power efficiency than mainstream parts could get me, but I don't want to be like that dude a few posts up who spent $1400 for 16TB raw storage. My current plan is shucking 4x10TB Easystores into a Microserver Gen10, but I could just as easily put an i3 into a Fractal Design Node 304 or something.

I want more than 16GB RAM, low power usage, and more CPU performance than a 15W Haswell. That's about all my requirements.

Edit with one more question: I have found near zero info about the Operon X3421 online. My current understanding is that it's two Excavator modules on 28nm at 35W TDP, right? Looks to perform favorably compared to Atoms, and C3xxx atoms look like a miserable value for money overall.

D. Ebdrup posted:

A Xeon E5 at up to 3.2GHz with 12 threads, 32GB memory and a Mellanox NIC? That sounds like a rad machine to run FreeBSD on.
My N36L Microserver from 2011 is really starting to show its age.

Crunchy Black posted:

ahem, *2 mellanox 10gbe nics* just don't have the other interface up and teamed yet since, bizarrely, FreeNAS doesn't support more than one interface with DHCP?

Sheep posted:

I have a Gen10 and it is awesome. The CPU is not some super stripped down or mobile line, but yeah information is a little sparse.

My only complaint is that the SSD mount on the top of the chassis is a $20 extra part that isn't included. All in with extra RAM and the SSD tray was only like $400ish off Amazon which is way better than anything else I could build that supports ECC in a small form factor.

Twerk from Home posted:

My other option I'm looking at also has ECC and is cheap-ish, which is putting an i3 in a mini-ITX supermicro board. That would have IPMI and way more CPU power, but I'm not sure about overall power consumption or nice-ness of case.

Twerk from Home posted:

My other option I'm looking at also has ECC and is cheap-ish, which is putting an i3 in a mini-ITX supermicro board. That would have IPMI and way more CPU power, but I'm not sure about overall power consumption or nice-ness of case.

I'll probably just do the microserver. Do I need the SSD tray or can i just velcro that sucker in there? I've always just taped SSDs to the sides of cases.

priznat posted:

I haven’t been keeping up with it, are any of the new AMD zen2s looking good for a NAS/VM box? Something low power with a bunch of cores and possibly ECC?

Thinking about moving my unraid setup off my old sandy bridge system.

Paul MaudDib posted:

That's what I did. i3 7100, 32 GB of ECC RAM, a USB-to-SATA adapter for boot, and a 1 TB EX920 drive for scratch space, in a U-NAS 810A. With 8x8 TB shucked easystores it pulls about 70W on long idle, 80W on short idle, 90W when working with the NVMe (eg downloading/extracting), and about 130W when everything's working hard. I don't spin the drives down, you could potentially cut a bit more power there, and obviously if you are spinning four less drives that's about 20W of savings right there. (edit: I also forgot I have the infiniband adapter in it still, it's not in use but it may still be eating a couple watts too)

The 9-series have quad-core i3s with ECC support. Right now you would have to get a 9350KF and give up QuickSync but the 9300 should be coming pretty soon, and it turbos up to 4.2 GHz. Also, the next gen of supermicro boards (C246?) have a pair of NVMe slots at the full 4x lanes rather than the single 2x on the C236 boards (at least on the mATX versions, the mITX may only be a single slot). I'm half thinking I may sell my board and chip and upgrade at some point, but I don't really need to. Maybe once the 9300s come out.

The U-NAS chassis are nice for what they are. Just be aware you are in for a very tight build, SFF builds are not easy and it will take a while. I ended up cutting the excess cable strings off my PSU and putting heat-shrink over the ends to reduce the amount of clutter inside. At least on the 8-bay model, you will need a 24-pin extension and a CPU aux power extension that they don't mention. Also, that rubberized coating on the front is not that tough and I ended up scratching mine a bit, I'd recommend working on a towel.

http://www.u-nas.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17640&cat=249&page=1

http://www.u-nas.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17638&cat=249&page=1

edit: build pics of my 8-bay, before I cut off the spare power cable strings. Unfortunately I don't think I snapped any pics of it assembled but it is TIGHT, the PSU eats up almost all of that right side compartment and you have to wad up the excess SATA/USB/header/fan cables to get them out of the way, and the CPU/mobo extension connectors eat up a lot of space there too. At some point I am gonna pull that infiniband card, I'll snap some pics then.

8-bit Miniboss posted:

I have the U-NAS where the motherboard fits on the side and that was indeed a tiny fit.


Before the LSI card was installed.

Paul MaudDib posted:

D. Ebdrup posted:

My apologies, it's an even cooler setup. .

D. Ebdrup posted:

I don't know whether FreeNAS has done something to interfere with that; it doesn't seem plausible, but there's nothing about FreeBSD that should prevent DHCP from being used on both interfaces (if I recall correctly, DHCP is achieved through the Berkeley Packet Filter, and BPF is how tcpdump and ipfw also work - it's even how Linux does tracing, though they had to extend it as eBPF for that, instead of implementing dtrace)

Twerk from Home posted:

Is anybody using an HP Microserver Gen10? Are they an awful value for money? I've been using an i5-4250u NUC that I got on eBay used for $110 with a 5TB external shingled Seagate hooked up to it as a VM host and NAS for almost 5 years now, and I finally want redundancy and more storage.

I'm willing to have a somewhat weird low performance setup in exchange for better power efficiency than mainstream parts could get me, but I don't want to be like that dude a few posts up who spent $1400 for 16TB raw storage. My current plan is shucking 4x10TB Easystores into a Microserver Gen10, but I could just as easily put an i3 into a Fractal Design Node 304 or something.

I want more than 16GB RAM, low power usage, and more CPU performance than a 15W Haswell. That's about all my requirements.

Edit with one more question: I have found near zero info about the Operon X3421 online. My current understanding is that it's two Excavator modules on 28nm at 35W TDP, right? Looks to perform favorably compared to Atoms, and C3xxx atoms look like a miserable value for money overall.

Ika posted:

I read yesterday that synology does not recommend (or maybe doesn't allow) mixing 4Kn and 512be drives in a single array. Does anybody know how bad it is to do that?

And a followup - are the 8 / 10TB mybook shucks 4kn or 512?

I'm trying to decide between something like a 4-5bay with 12TB internal drives, or 6-8 bay with 8-10tb shucked drives, and don't want to end up with drives I cannot add to the array.

Ika posted:

I read yesterday that synology does not recommend (or maybe doesn't allow) mixing 4Kn and 512be drives in a single array. Does anybody know how bad it is to do that?

And a followup - are the 8 / 10TB mybook shucks 4kn or 512?

I'm trying to decide between something like a 4-5bay with 12TB internal drives, or 6-8 bay with 8-10tb shucked drives, and don't want to end up with drives I cannot add to the array.

Bonobos posted:

This is a good question. I was planning on using a mix of 8 and 10tb shucks in a raid, is this not doable? How can can you tell if the drive is 512 vs 4k ?

Paul MaudDib posted:

All drives in a raidz must be the same capacity or you lose any capacity above the smallest drive - eg 2x8 + 2x10 is the same as having 4x8, unless you swap out the 8 TBs in the future. If you are doing 8 drives you could do a 4x8 and a 4x10 raidz without losing any capacity though. Or if you don't care about redundancy, you could just do a simple/spanned array and keep backups.

I don't think you can mix sector sizes but I'd think most modern high-capacity hard drives are 4096b sectors? Both my 8 tb white and 8 tb reds read as: "Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical" in smartctl.