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Around three years ago we decided that Anakin Skywalker being Darth Vader was expected so we decided that Padmé would be the one to do it. She's been training her whole life for this.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Around three years ago we decided that Anakin Skywalker being Darth Vader was expected so we decided that Padmé would be the one to do it. Anakin: Wow I just murdered a whole village, kids and everything. Padme: drat Anakin that's pretty hot, let's get married.
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May 14, 2019 17:46
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I can't wrap my head around how this is the episode where they needed to develop Dany into an insane villain but they still spend the first part on portraying her as totally reasonable and in the right.  Like, she was absolutely right about Jon betraying her. She was absolutely right about the consequences of him betraying her. And then this totally reasonable person just snaps, for absolutely no reason and goes on a killing spree. WtffffffI was always in the camp of her being a lovely ruler(basically being fantasy GWB) but this garbage came out of absolutely nowhere. She slaughtered children by the thousands. That's not Bush, Bush never went on a children shooting spree. That's the Aurora cinema nail ghost guy.
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May 14, 2019 17:48
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She slaughtered younglings!
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May 14, 2019 17:51
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Not just Tommen But the Tomwomen and Tomchildren too
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May 14, 2019 17:59
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This time the Sand People were on her side
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May 14, 2019 18:02
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This all started because a stupidly honorable Stark descendant couldn't keep his mouth shut about who some boy's real father was, and it all ends because a stupidly honorable Stark descendant couldn't keep his mouth shut about who some boy's real father was. It's like poetry. It rhymes.
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May 14, 2019 18:11
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Opferwurst posted:That's not Bush, Bush never went on a children shooting spree. He had the military that he was commander in chief of do it.
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May 14, 2019 18:17
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Koalas March posted:Ironically much like Ned, Jack was supposed to die in the Lost pilot after being set up as the hero and the main character/Leader archetype was actually going to be Rose (I think they were going to go with a Kerry Washington type) but the studio made them change it iirc They were going to double down on that twist by casting Michael Keaton as Jack and heavily promoting it as a Michael Keaton series. When the studio wussed out, they lost Keaton, who had no interest in being in a full series. https://screencrush.com/michael-keaton-lost-pilot-jack-shephard/
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May 14, 2019 18:17
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DrNutt posted:I thought there were rumors that they were doing a trilogy set in the Old Republic. Which despite how this season of GoT is progressing I am still 100% in for. The old republic thing that they've confirmed is going to be a TV show. Which sounds interesting.
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May 14, 2019 18:19
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BREAKING: Woke 'Thrones' Creators Commit Unprecedented Gender Error After Eight Flawless Years
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May 14, 2019 18:26
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General Dog posted:A key difference is that the people who bombed Dresden were not planning on immediately taking up residence in Dresden. Another difference is that Dresden was in the midst of a long, drawn out war with progress towards victory being made very slowly and was used as a tactic to demoralize the enemy and hopefully hasten the end of the way. Dragon-nuke happened literally after the enemy had surrendered and the war was won.
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May 14, 2019 18:33
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In the end, author George R.R. Martin’s story is in part that of a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros, only to become someone the country’s elites deem “too dangerous” to be allowed to take power. It looks increasingly likely that the savior of the country will be a man who knows almost nothing about ruling it. Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago, the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore.
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May 14, 2019 18:36
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Opferwurst posted:I can't wrap my head around how this is the episode where they needed to develop Dany into an insane villain but they still spend the first part on portraying her as totally reasonable and in the right. It's really not mad queen Dany, just gas-lit queen Dany. They're bad writers. They don't know what motivates people; they lack empathy and is been evidenced they do not consider motivation and information the characters they have available would display. Mad queen could've even worked if they just had her say something or act more irrationally about being right earlier this season, but they forgot we know what Dany looks and acts like at her highest and lowest, and her behavior doesn't fall into that spectrum anywhere -- meaning the whole thing is cheap because it's now putting the onus of figuring out the motivations onto the audience. This has been a shortfall of later seasons. They're extrapolating that Z works narratively because Y and X, but the reality is that they're pointing at examples that aren't correlated to either of those things. Arya becoming an assassin was motivated by revenge, her stabbing the NK is narratively too important to not explain -- and not in a post script interview. That's what is the worst storytelling crime. They're not telling us anything compelling. They're not letting us, through dialogue, flashbacks, etc understand motivations THAT ARE TRUE TO THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER. Sure, it's better to show it, but dang, they could've even flashed images from all the times she tried to rule "nicely" and was undermined or the thing on her mind -- SOMETHING to justify an outrageous action. Even our most cruel villains had clear motivations.
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May 14, 2019 18:37
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Zohar posted:In the end, author George R.R. Martin’s story is in part that of a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros, only to become someone the country’s elites deem “too dangerous” to be allowed to take power. It looks increasingly likely that the savior of the country will be a man who knows almost nothing about ruling it. Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago, the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore. In the books, Dany has only been a leader for a couple of years. She spent most of her life getting abused by her rear end in a top hat brother.
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May 14, 2019 18:37
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regulargonzalez posted:Another difference is that Dresden was in the midst of a long, drawn out war with progress towards victory being made very slowly and was used as a tactic to demoralize the enemy and hopefully hasten the end of the way. It was basically a what if the allies had one more nuke reserved for Tokyo, and after japan surrendered after nagasaki said have a little more just in case you weren't scared enough
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May 14, 2019 18:38
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Zohar posted:In the end, author George R.R. Martin’s story is in part that of a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros, only to become someone the country’s elites deem “too dangerous” to be allowed to take power. It looks increasingly likely that the savior of the country will be a man who knows almost nothing about ruling it. Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago, the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore. 
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May 14, 2019 18:40
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kcroy posted:Dinklage says that line at the end as if he's in a hostage video. Mr. Dinklage, blink twice if they have a gun.
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May 14, 2019 18:46
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I just had a caffeine-induced hallucination of the perfect final scene of the final episode, it involved Bronn, Martin, a dozen whores and the Space Jam theme. I'm sad that it will never be real 
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May 14, 2019 18:48
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Zohar posted:In the end, author George R.R. Martin’s story is in part that of a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros, only to become someone the country’s elites deem “too dangerous” to be allowed to take power. It looks increasingly likely that the savior of the country will be a man who knows almost nothing about ruling it. Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago, the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore. the central thesis of the story is that oligarchy is bad
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May 14, 2019 18:56
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https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/game-thrones-fates-cersei-daenerys-targaryen-send-mixed-messages-about-ncna1005046
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May 14, 2019 19:03
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Zohar posted:In the end, author George R.R. Martin’s story is in part that of a woman who spent her entire life training and studying to one day become the leader of Westeros, only to become someone the country’s elites deem “too dangerous” to be allowed to take power. It looks increasingly likely that the savior of the country will be a man who knows almost nothing about ruling it. Even knowing this is based on an ending Martin had plotted out decades ago, the shades of the 2016 election are too hard to ignore. What does Daenerys actually know about how to rule the Seven Kingdoms? She knows how to conquer cities and that's it. Her response to anything about needing allies among all seven kingdoms and to work with the nobles was "They're all part of the wheel. I will break the wheel  "
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May 14, 2019 19:12
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Could some other author write the two last books and then replace Grum's character names? How much do you need to change the setting for it not to violate IP rights? I'm ready to chip in on a Kickstarter. I need some kind of closure for ASOIF
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May 14, 2019 19:12
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Zohar posted:https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/game-thrones-fates-cersei-daenerys-targaryen-send-mixed-messages-about-ncna1005046 Lol, NBC getting in on the GoT hate train but chose to go the "patriarchy is bad" angle instead of "The writing has gotten crazy awful". Gotta have priorities, I guess.
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May 14, 2019 19:13
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It’s HER TURN
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May 14, 2019 19:14
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Opferwurst posted:Could some other author write the two last books and then replace Grum's character names? How much do you need to change the setting for it not to violate IP rights? I'm ready to chip in on a Kickstarter. I need some kind of closure for ASOIF I for one can't wait to hear if the rumors about Jomb Snug and Daniel Tergerwerger are true.
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May 14, 2019 19:18
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When I see Jon Snow, I immediately think of Donald Trump.
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May 14, 2019 19:38
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Opferwurst posted:I can't wrap my head around how this is the episode where they needed to develop Dany into an insane villain but they still spend the first part on portraying her as totally reasonable and in the right. Yeah I agree. I feel like Dany became more sympathetic as the season progressed. She starts as this privileged outsider but she put her life on the line to defend humanity, lost some of her closest people, her boyfriend turns out to be her nephew who then blabs everything to his absurdly hostile sister, another of her advisers tries to murder her... porfiria fucked around with this message at 20:20 on May 14, 2019 |
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May 14, 2019 20:15
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Yeah Varys trying to poison her again seems to have gotten lost in the noise of the battle since it was so early in the episode
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May 14, 2019 20:19
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porfiria posted:Yeah I agree. I feel like Dany became more sympathetic as the season progressed. She starts as this privileged outsider but she put her life on the line to defend humanity, lost some of her closest people, her boyfriend turns out to be her nephew who then blabs everything to his absurdly hostile sister, another of her advisers tries to murder her... Well you see, when the gods make a Targaryen they
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May 14, 2019 20:20
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porfiria posted:Yeah I agree. I feel like Dany became more sympathetic as the season progressed. She starts as this privileged outsider but she put her life on the line to defend humanity She keeps saying this, but had she taken kings landing without helping out she'd have been hosed, as the army of the dead would have kept marching towards KL growing in size, and with no dragonglass, they'd have to hope the NK would expose himself to someone with a valyrian steel sword (not likely since Bran would be dead).
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May 14, 2019 20:26
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feedmyleg posted:Well you see, when the gods make a Targaryen they Aerys, Viserys, and Dany all turned out to be lovely. Granted Dany got a helping push here and there, but in the end she's still an rear end in a top hat. And on thinking about it I really liked the wildfire caches going off. It kinda showed that even the Mad King's most horrific plan was smaller in scale than Dany's.
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May 14, 2019 20:26
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Solice Kirsk posted:Aerys, Viserys, and Dany all turned out to be lovely. Granted Dany got a helping push here and there, but in the end she's still an rear end in a top hat. Between Tyrion and Cersei hadn't most of it been used up at this point
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May 14, 2019 20:28
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Solice Kirsk posted:Aerys, Viserys, and Dany all turned out to be lovely. Granted Dany got a helping push here and there, but in the end she's still an rear end in a top hat. Well both Rhaegar and Aemon turned out good, so who knows, it could have ended up above 50% with Rhaegar's kids but we won't know thanks to Gregor.
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May 14, 2019 20:34
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clown shoes posted:Variety ranked all episodes of Game of Thrones (excluding the finale).
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May 14, 2019 20:38
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Zohar posted:https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/game-thrones-fates-cersei-daenerys-targaryen-send-mixed-messages-about-ncna1005046 Writing...bad? How? They were just following Gurm's decades-old edicts!
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May 14, 2019 20:47
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Zohar posted:Between Tyrion and Cersei hadn't most of it been used up at this point Who knows. Even all that stuff Cersei used to blow up the Sept was on a super small scale to what Dany did. Add that to the one ship in Blackwater Bay and she's still waaaaay worse than what Aerys could have pulled off.
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May 14, 2019 20:47
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Nail Rat posted:Well both Rhaegar and Aemon turned out good, so who knows, it could have ended up above 50% with Rhaegar's kids but we won't know thanks to Gregor. Rhaegar was a loving dumbass.
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May 14, 2019 20:49
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Randarkman posted:Rhaegar was a loving dumbass. Yeah but he wasn't evil. Jon's a dumbass but he's "good."
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mp5 posted:Yeah Varys trying to poison her again seems to have gotten lost in the noise of the battle since it was so early in the episode Why would he poison her if she is the one that the dragon and the dothraki and unsullied listen to? Are they going to storm kings landing with a rabble of tired northmen?
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