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Al! posted:the alt right are just temporarily embarrassed mass shooters Uncle Wemus posted:I never got into morrisey but why is he important because rock and roll reverence and celebrity culture the smiths are a mediocre band compared to say, the cure Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 22:03 on May 14, 2019 |
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May 14, 2019 22:01
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It's nice that Morrissey being a bitchy miserable rear end in a top hat is part of the appeal of the Smiths, rather than if he were an aspirational happy figure.
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May 14, 2019 22:04
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coathat posted:Better not normalize the most popular news channel in the country Perhaps normalizing is the wrong term, providing a fair and balanced fig leaf? Aiding and abetting their quest for legitimacy which provides cover for advertisers? The end goal is to remove the last vestiges of "We're not JUST a hate filled propaganda network" and advertisers have been listening and more importantly acting. If you're even a mid-tier democratic candidate and you give Fox an hour of you to peddle their journalistic bonafides you're helping their cause. Bernie and co. are absolutely being peddled right now by Fox News sales folks since their upfronts were apparently yesterday. Was it good for them personally? Maybe, but it's an overall loss if you believe Fox News is a cancer on this country.
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May 14, 2019 22:11
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Man I forgot that Robert Smith used to look like a human
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May 14, 2019 22:12
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Man I forgot that Robert Smith used to look like a human he still looks human, it's just that overall look doesn't look great on a paunchy middle aged person
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May 14, 2019 22:14
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Man I forgot that Robert Smith used to look like a human I always associate Robert Smith with that really early south park with famous people turning into Godzilla monsters and Robert Smith was Mothra
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May 14, 2019 22:14
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my knowledge of robert smith is pretty much entirely the achewood jokes about how he never showers, and only takes baths, like a true goth
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May 14, 2019 22:17
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World War Mammories posted:my knowledge of robert smith is pretty much entirely the achewood jokes about how he never showers, and only takes baths, like a true goth sit down baths are the most gothic way of washing one's self
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May 14, 2019 22:18
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Uncle Wemus posted:I never got into morrisey but why is he important he is extremely self-important
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May 14, 2019 22:18
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Al! posted:he still looks human, it's just that overall look doesn't look great on a paunchy middle aged person It really really doesn't but I have to respect a man who's given every opportunity possible to abandon his young weirdo aesthetic and just refuses at every turn.
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May 14, 2019 22:27
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Uncle Wemus posted:I never got into morrisey but why is he important Whites
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May 14, 2019 22:29
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Eh the Smiths are an important band in the history of Indie Rock and their songs are mostly about alienation and lonelness and also about gently caress Thacher and the Queen and the ruling classes. Then Morrissey got old and rich and turned into your racist uncle. Though their music importance is more on Johnny Marr who is not a chud in the slightest.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Whites lol at this scrub who doesn't know about the massive bewildering following the Smiths have with Mexicans.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:It really really doesn't but I have to respect a man who's given every opportunity possible to abandon his young weirdo aesthetic and just refuses at every turn. The strangest thing about Robert Smith is that he only started dressing up as a gothy dude after the gothiest period of the Cure was over. Like look up photos oh him from the early 80's and he just kind of looks like any random period British music person.
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Grape posted:The strangest thing about Robert Smith is that he only started dressing up as a gothy dude after the gothiest period of the Cure was over. when you're on that much heroin playing dressup is too much of a pain in the rear end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CtgAgTqx0w i dig the pink pyjama pants tho
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May 14, 2019 22:47
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GoatSeeGuy posted:Perhaps normalizing is the wrong term, providing a fair and balanced fig leaf? Aiding and abetting their quest for legitimacy which provides cover for advertisers? The end goal is to remove the last vestiges of "We're not JUST a hate filled propaganda network" and advertisers have been listening and more importantly acting. If you're even a mid-tier democratic candidate and you give Fox an hour of you to peddle their journalistic bonafides you're helping their cause. You can't "deplatform" Fox News. Ignoring it doesn't delegitimize it.
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May 14, 2019 22:52
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You can't "deplatform" Fox News. Ignoring it doesn't delegitimize it. It does if it's struggling for advertisers and needs big audience draws. Which is presently the case.
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May 14, 2019 22:53
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Darth Walrus posted:It does if it's struggling for advertisers and needs big audience draws. Which is presently the case. Advertisers pull out of problematic programming blocks, not the whole network. They're also still the biggest basic cable network in ratings so "big audience draws" aren't a problem, unless it's a problem to the industry as a whole.
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May 14, 2019 22:58
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twistedmentat posted:Eh the Smiths are an important band in the history of Indie Rock and their songs are mostly about alienation and lonelness and also about gently caress Thacher and the Queen and the ruling classes. Then Morrissey got old and rich and turned into your racist uncle. I met Marr once at a party for a friend and that guy is cool and chill as hell for a rockstar.
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May 14, 2019 22:59
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No one actually likes Morrissey and every Smiths can I've ever met is embarrassed by him
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The bottom line is, if Warren won't go on Fox News because she's going to be asked unfair questions and treated badly, then she's not fit to be the nominee. If the stated reason is the real reason, then why not boycott all cable news while we're at it? There's no real consistently principled stance here, it's all partisan theater.Pomp posted:No one actually likes Morrissey and every Smiths can I've ever met is embarrassed by him Why is Morrissey even getting booked on The Tonight Show in 2019, is what I want to know.
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May 14, 2019 23:01
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The bottom line is, if Warren won't go on Fox News because she's going to be asked unfair questions and treated badly, then she's not fit to be the nominee. If the stated reason is the real reason, then why not boycott all cable news while we're at it? There's no real consistently principled stance here, it's all partisan theater. lol if a candidate won’t go on Fox they shouldn’t be president? are you a cspam mod?
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I mean partisan theater isn’t a terrible idea. Stoking the base does more than trying to appeal to the Fox News core
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You can't "deplatform" Fox News. Ignoring it doesn't delegitimize it. I think the point is that everyone else knows Fox News and their core audience are pieces of poo poo because we remind them every day that they are. But if you start going on to their platform, then you begin to legitimize them when you should be calling them out on the racist/misogynistic poo poo they spout every day. It's like allsides.com, theoretically it's a good idea, until you realize that the conservative news sources are straight up vitriolic and don't offer unbiased news in any fashion.
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May 14, 2019 23:04
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:lol if a candidate won’t go on Fox they shouldn’t be president? are you a cspam mod? If she's ducking Fox News because she's afraid of being asked about 23andme'ing her way into POC status, that's going to come up on the campaign trail anyway.
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May 14, 2019 23:06
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Tetrabor posted:But if you start going on to their platform, then you begin to legitimize them when you should be calling them out on the racist/misogynistic poo poo they spout every day. They are legitimized by the cable and news industry, regardless of however you feel about them. I don't see how it's mutually exclusive to both go on their platform and call them out for being a toxic element in society. The toxicity is already here, and if you can't confront it then you're not fit to be a politician. Fox News isn't just something that chuds watch, people are subjected to it all over the country because it's on tvs in airports, diners, gas stations, you name it. It's a public institution.
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Tetrabor posted:I think the point is that everyone else knows Fox News and their core audience are pieces of poo poo because we remind them every day that they are. what do you consider "conservative news sources"
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May 14, 2019 23:12
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the least-disappointing way to go onto FOX would be to go on and work an episode of them loving up or lying or ginning up hatred in every single one of your answers until they cut the program short and you get to claim you were too dangerous for them to let their audience see the truth. Sanders definitely got his jabs in, but that would be the best way to do it. Total scorched earth.
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I mean the problem is that if you think not going on Fox is good because you don't want to indirectly support it, I hope you don't plan on doing any town halls with any cable news network because MSNBC and CNN channel similar horrible views but either counterbalance it with a less horrible take or just put a liberal veneer on everything. If you don't plan on doing any townhalls or any outreach through the cable networks then I think your presidential candidacy is dead in the water. I could be wrong about the importance of the cable news networks though.
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I really think Bernie going on FOX was a net good both for him and the country. It likely attracted non-standard viewers to FOX which is bad, but I sincerely doubt many who were drawn to FOX to watch a Bernie townhall will continue watching it with any regularity. It also likely provided greater viewership to FOX than whatever normally went in the timeslot it pre-empted, but that's probably pretty minor overall as well since most of these FOX ads are for poo poo like precious metal stocks and Trumpy bear that average people aren't going to buy, and the timeslot was one hour. I think Bernie going on that town hall and running circles around the hosts as they dog him with tired old right-wing chestnuts outweighs the short-term benefits FOX would have gleaned, or at least neutralizes them. With regards to diminishing the power of FOX as a media platform - speaking out against it is important, but I think it's equally important to note that while FOX is descending into explicit and open fascism alongside the Republican party, agencies like MSNBC and CNN are still pushing the same imperialist, pro-billionaire, pro-corporate message, just without the 14/88 bits. FOX is absolutely horrific and despicable but you can turn on MSNBC at any time of the day and find someone calling for the invasion of Venezuela or fawning over the ingenuity of Apple or some poo poo unchallenged. When Bernie wins the election I can guarantee you CNN, et al, will spew almost as much bile as FOX will towards him, just like how they turned on AOC so quickly when she opposed the Amazon NY HQ, or how they all ganged up on Ilhan Omar. Anyone that's going to run for President of the United States needs to be able to stand up to the media when it's doing poo poo like this, whether it's FOX fascists or CNN Sorkinites. I think Sanders is the only person running who would make a good President, and that Warren is a somewhat distant second. If she's going to prove that she actually has the chops for handling Trump, going on FOX is a good way to do it. I think the way Bernie dismantled those smug disingenuous assholes hosting the FOX Town Hall proves he can do the same to Mr. Sundown, but I think that Warren has a history of handling low blows badly. She should go on FOX only if she thinks she's improved herself since the whole loving Pocahontas debacle, which I guarantee Trump will hit her with every god drat day if she looks like she's going to be the nominee. e: I used "I think" a lot in this post, I think I need to proofread better Chillgamesh has issued a correction as of 23:23 on May 14, 2019 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Why is Morrissey even getting booked on The Tonight Show in 2019, is what I want to know. it's "all major social media companies openly support white supremacy, probably a coincidence" image, but for all broadcasters instead Tetrabor posted:It's like allsides.com, theoretically it's a good idea, until you realize that the conservative news sources are straight up vitriolic and don't offer unbiased news in any fashion. Lessail posted:what do you consider "conservative news sources" holy poo poo this is a cursed website:  the new york times is the left, the blaze is the right, and reuters is the center, all equally worthwhile sides.
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May 14, 2019 23:22
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Hellsau posted:holy poo poo this is a cursed website: what it's mostly getting wrong is the new york times saying that echoes of the start of the iraq war are good for their business, since the ny times themselves had a huge hand in promoting it
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GoluboiOgon posted:they were armenian mobsters, but yeah whoa whoa whoa i followed the baked alaska saga "fairly" closely, but I haven't heard about this. deets?
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Also, too. How do you even acupuncture a dog? Did it once on myself (among the top 5 biggest wastes of money in my life) and you have to be incredibly still for like 20 mins.
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lmao https://twitter.com/IntelDankWeb/status/1128433597457760256
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Chillgamesh posted:I really think Bernie going on FOX was a net good both for him and the country. It likely attracted non-standard viewers to FOX which is bad, but I sincerely doubt many who were drawn to FOX to watch a Bernie townhall will continue watching it with any regularity. It also likely provided greater viewership to FOX than whatever normally went in the timeslot it pre-empted, but that's probably pretty minor overall as well since most of these FOX ads are for poo poo like precious metal stocks and Trumpy bear that average people aren't going to buy, and the timeslot was one hour. I think Bernie going on that town hall and running circles around the hosts as they dog him with tired old right-wing chestnuts outweighs the short-term benefits FOX would have gleaned, or at least neutralizes them. The 1488 stuff is pretty important, though? A major broadcaster openly deploying genocidal propaganda is a serious, immediate threat to public safety in a way that vaguer, more dogwhistley stuff is not, and should be punished accordingly. Just ask the Tutsis. Other media companies may accustom their viewers to racism and bloodlust, but it's Fox specifically that gives them a roadmap and instructions. If you're unable to tell the difference, I'd seriously question your grasp of history. Go after the other companies later, because you can afford to go after them later, and you want to give them an escape route to deescalate rather than having more major broadcasters going 'oh well, in for a penny, in for a pound' and joining Fox's efforts to actively kick off a genocide. America already has concentration camps, and is teetering on the brink of unleashing something much, much worse. Coaxing it back from the edge is going to involve letting a bunch of lovely racists pretend they're noble, heroic saviours, because they're presently the people with the power and the platform to stop it. We can deal with them once Miller and company are in the Hague where they belong, and not ready and waiting to start disappearing Muslims en masse.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The bottom line is, if Warren won't go on Fox News because she's going to be asked unfair questions and treated badly, then she's not fit to be the nominee. lol wrong
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