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Sakura Wars is the same sort of vaguely weird as the Raidou SMT games where they sorta make a world where all that WW1/WW2 stuff never happens. So, yes, kinda.
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Karasu Tengu posted:Sakura Wars is the same sort of vaguely weird as the Raidou SMT games where they sorta make a world where all that WW1/WW2 stuff never happens.
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May 15, 2019 08:38
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Isn't that what most soldiers are told though? 
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May 15, 2019 08:40
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Now all the stuff in SB that evokes comfort women and repeated instances of wartime rapes, that's some poo poo
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May 15, 2019 08:54
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SirSamVimes posted:Does the fact that it's an Asian-inspired nation or the fact that it's written by Japanese (the nation that did the Occupation) writers mean that this story is inherently loaded in a way that is completely seperate from the context? I mean, would we even be having this discussion if it was an American written story about a fictional South American country?
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May 15, 2019 09:05
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Honest question, are the othard regions supposed to be analogues to their real world counterparts, or is it just that they took stylistic inspiration for those regions? Cause like, I was never sure how to feel about the people with Japanese names being the rightful rulers of the area that resembles China even though there's a different region that resembles Japan. That's kind of why I reduced it to "they're fictional countries, don't worry about it." I figured the countries and politics of the region were made to support the story the devs want to tell and trying to draw comparisons to real world locations raises a lot of questions the game isn't looking to answer. There are two prevailing thoughts on Doma right now as far as I can tell. The first is the obvious, its a reference to FF6 so it had to have Samurai regardless of anything else as the potentially most famous Samurai in the series came from Doma. The second is that they thought that showing CHINA being occupied by the Garleans was considered too much of a dangerous thing with their Chinese market and might have caused issues with selling it there either due to the government or just people there. So they decided to play it safe and made them Japanese people with Chinese themes, at least slightly obfuscating that they had made a China in their game that had been occupied by the Garleans who all look fairly Japanese in this area seemingly.....if kinda Stormtrooper-esque Japanese. I forget the exact reasoning someone gave for the second line of thought way back when I'd heard it though.
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Chaeden posted:There are two prevailing thoughts on Doma right now as far as I can tell. The first is the obvious, its a reference to FF6 so it had to have Samurai regardless of anything else as the potentially most famous Samurai in the series came from Doma. The second is that they thought that showing CHINA being occupied by the Garleans was considered too much of a dangerous thing with their Chinese market and might have caused issues with selling it there either due to the government or just people there. So they decided to play it safe and made them Japanese people with Chinese themes, at least slightly obfuscating that they had made a China in their game that had been occupied by the Garleans who all look fairly Japanese in this area seemingly.....if kinda Stormtrooper-esque Japanese. A mostly-Japanese-like nation where fantasy China would be on the map has other connotations though. Sounds like a bit of a lose-lose situation if that was the case.
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May 15, 2019 14:01
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Not-Europe, Not-Middle East, Not-Russia, Not-India, Not-China, Not-Mongolia, Not-Japan I'm don't think we really have a feel for what Meracydia is supposed to be though, Not-Scandanavia?
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May 15, 2019 14:51
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What are my best options for Crystal Sand? I can turn 600 Poetics into one via Unidentified items and I can turn 25000 GC seals into one via Moonstones, any other easy routes? The Astral/Umbral materia one is too expensive and I don't know how had most of the other items are to get. Does this still work?
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May 15, 2019 14:52
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Pierson posted:What are my best options for Crystal Sand? I can turn 600 Poetics into one via Unidentified items and I can turn 25000 GC seals into one via Moonstones, any other easy routes? The Astral/Umbral materia one is too expensive and I don't know how had most of the other items are to get. Does this still work? Do you have any crafters or gatherers at custom deliveries level? You can convert red scrip into blue scrip tokens and it's five blue tokens for two sand. Can also do it with collectable turn ins but custom delivery is faster for more scrip.
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May 15, 2019 14:57
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Pierson posted:What are my best options for Crystal Sand? I can turn 600 Poetics into one via Unidentified items and I can turn 25000 GC seals into one via Moonstones, any other easy routes? The Astral/Umbral materia one is too expensive and I don't know how had most of the other items are to get. Does this still work? I did it with Red Scrips but that requires you to have gatherers leveled.
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I think it's kinda funny that the playerbase has been screeching for SE to give them a kimono or something similar since Stormblood was announced, and now that they finally get one it's the worst thing ever.Pierson posted:What are my best options for Crystal Sand? I can turn 600 Poetics into one via Unidentified items and I can turn 25000 GC seals into one via Moonstones, any other easy routes? The Astral/Umbral materia one is too expensive and I don't know how had most of the other items are to get. Does this still work? The vilekin thing totally still works, but really you should just do your custom deliveries and buy crystal sands with scrips -> blue tokens, if memory serves. Check the exchange first obviously, but it's incredibly time efficient. Hope you have a crafter or gatherer leveled.
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May 15, 2019 14:58
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Pierson posted:What are my best options for Crystal Sand? I can turn 600 Poetics into one via Unidentified items and I can turn 25000 GC seals into one via Moonstones, any other easy routes? Most of the Unidentified items can be obtained via varying Beast Tribe currencies, and one Moonstone per day can be acquired via the Ixali Deliverance quest. Only other way beyond that is to have a level 70 Gatherer and mass farm red scrip, which you can exchange at a rate of 125 scrip for 1 Crystal Sand.
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May 15, 2019 14:59
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Kaubocks posted:just had someone in an LDR tell me that SAM aoe damage breakpoint was tenka goken is dps gain at 3+ targets but the aoe combo abilities were 4+ Tenka goken is a dps gain at 2 targets. 2 sen versus 3 for 720 potency. They're more or less right about 4+ for the aoe rotation, but I tend to do it at 3 regardless, just because the damage difference is tiny by potency counts and doing the real math on it is too complex for my dumb brain (damage drop off calculations, hissss). Generally for 3 targets, if the other person I'm with is doing AE, I will AE and if they are doing single target, I will single target too. Failboattootoot fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 15, 2019 |
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May 15, 2019 15:00
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You can also get unidentified items and moonstones from beast tribes, for what that's worth. Scrip is still far, far better, if you have any crafters or gatherers high enough. e:f;b
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May 15, 2019 15:00
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combo-e:f,b but whateverPierson posted:What are my best options for Crystal Sand? I can turn 600 Poetics into one via Unidentified items and I can turn 25000 GC seals into one via Moonstones, any other easy routes? The Astral/Umbral materia one is too expensive and I don't know how had most of the other items are to get. Does this still work? Red scrips (from crafting/gathering collectibles and custom deliveries) are great if you have them and don't need them (anymore). You can get a lot of crystal sand for a week or two of custom deliveries. GC seals for moonstones (it's 20k per turnin I think?) is alright if you're regularly running level 55+ dungeons, but it's very slow. And since the other part of the relic step, Umbrite, also takes poetics, it's not a good idea to buy the crystal sand with poetics too, even though it looks sort of cheap (you buy thavnairian mist and something else, not unidentified mats)
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May 15, 2019 15:04
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You can do the Blue Mage weeklies to get a chunk of poetics for that and other relic steps. Warning: This requires you to have like 90%+ of the skills or there will be challenges you literally will not be able to do.
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May 15, 2019 15:15
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Thank guys. I've severely ignored crafting since ARR so they're all at 50 and only my Alchemist is at 57 because of Mog quests. Vilekin and assorted other bullshit it is.
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May 15, 2019 15:49
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Pierson posted:Thank guys. I've severely ignored crafting since ARR so they're all at 50 and only my Alchemist is at 57 because of Mog quests. Vilekin and assorted other bullshit it is. You can unlock them at 60, so you're almost there on Alchemist!
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May 15, 2019 15:55
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Failboattootoot posted:Tenka goken is a dps gain at 2 targets. 2 sen versus 3 for 720 potency. They're more or less right about 4+ for the aoe rotation, but I tend to do it at 3 regardless, just because the damage difference is tiny by potency counts and doing the real math on it is too complex for my dumb brain (damage drop off calculations, hissss). Generally for 3 targets, if the other person I'm with is doing AE, I will AE and if they are doing single target, I will single target too. math!!!!!!! 
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May 15, 2019 16:13
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Sacro posted:Not-Europe, Not-Middle East, Not-Russia, Not-India, Not-China, Not-Mongolia, Not-Japan They have a probable not-Scandanavia way up North, the island chain of Aerslaent. It's where the Roegadyn came from, with their pre-marauder, pre-warrior viking class.
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May 15, 2019 16:17
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people follow the story? lol. i'm 30 levels in and have no clue what's happening.
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May 15, 2019 16:18
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The game starts off slow, but from the lead-up of Heavensward on, it probably has the best mainline Final Fantasy story. Take that as you will.
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May 15, 2019 16:19
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The game starts off slow, but from the lead-up of Heavensward on, it probably has the best mainline Final Fantasy story. ffxiv doesn't have blitzball so i can't fathom a world where this is true
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May 15, 2019 16:37
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The game starts off slow, but from the lead-up of Heavensward on, it probably has the best mainline Final Fantasy story. i mean it's an mmo the "story" is supposed to be background/setting. it's gonna own getting to the end and having no idea why i fought any of these people.
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May 15, 2019 16:40
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It guides you through the content. That's just the way the game is set up. Like it or not.
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May 15, 2019 16:42
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Groovelord Neato posted:i mean it's an mmo the "story" is supposed to be background/setting. it's gonna own getting to the end and having no idea why i fought any of these people. There are story-focused MMOs. Secret World immediately comes to mind, as an MMO that a lot of people played for the story.
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May 15, 2019 16:48
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Yeah even if you don't read *any* quest/dialogue text and skip all cutscenes you'll have a rough idea of what's going on just from where you're going and what items you're collecting and poo poo.
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May 15, 2019 16:48
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homeless snail posted:Not entirely, because no one ever willingly chose to wear yellow stars, it was explicitly something the Germans used to mark others. Japanization during the occupation of Korea is one of the fastest and most aggressive periods of cultural assimilation in history though, they rewrote Korean history to make them historically Japanese, they forced them to speak Japanese, take Japanese names, and yes wear Japanese clothing. If you're outside of that cultural context though, these are just the clothes your grandparents wore. Japanese people see that stuff in old photos the same way we see flapper outfits. I guess the best way to view it is if after America conquered Iraq the higher ups, in the pursuit of COIN ops forced all of citizens to speak English , take English names and wear blue jeans and t-shirts under the threat of death. To majority of Americans, 30 years later it just what people wore at the time, but to Iraq it would be a symbol of oppression to wear that outfit. He should not have compared it to Nazi uniforms as no one today will look back to photos of Nazi or SS solders and say "that was just how everyone dressed back then" I think my issue with this even though it is very problematic; I do not think its on the level of concern they are making out to be as I do not think Square was trying to offend the entire Korean population by making a Japanese "Nazi" uniform playable in-game.
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May 15, 2019 16:50
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Groovelord Neato posted:i mean it's an mmo the "story" is supposed to be background/setting. it's gonna own getting to the end and having no idea why i fought any of these people. Nah, FF14 isn't like other MMOs in that regard. Like others have said, 1-50 is kinda the weakest stretch of the plot. That having been said, things do get better around 35 if only because that's when the real plot starts to kick in for ARR.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i mean it's an mmo the "story" is supposed to be background/setting. it's gonna own getting to the end and having no idea why i fought any of these people. it's a final fantasy game
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May 15, 2019 16:56
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The story in FF 14 loving owns
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mikeycp posted:it's a final fantasy game i don't remember 11 having a full blown story you went through. i remember my brother smashing crabs.
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May 15, 2019 17:09
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Ffxi's story is basically the only reason anyone remembers it positively
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Intent is a moot point. The fact is they did offend at least some people with it. I don’t know if it’s all Korean people or just some of them, but it happened regardless of intent. Gonna guess that they’ll line up some kind of apology, but the bigger factor here isn’t even the offense, it’s that Japan is really bad about admitting these things even happened.
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Tormented posted:I guess the best way to view it is if after America conquered Iraq the higher ups, in the pursuit of COIN ops forced all of citizens to speak English , take English names and wear blue jeans and t-shirts under the threat of death. To majority of Americans, 30 years later it just what people wore at the time, but to Iraq it would be a symbol of oppression to wear that outfit. The most direct analog for people in the US would be taking Native American kids, putting them in Western-style outfits in Western-style academies, and teaching them English but not allowing them to speak their own language or practice their own culture. Which is also a thing that happened.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i don't remember 11 having a full blown story you went through. i remember my brother smashing crabs. ffxi had - still has, I guess - a fairly involved story, it’s just that back in the day you had to kill 25,000 crabs before you could do most of it
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May 15, 2019 17:17
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Countblanc posted:Ffxi's story is basically the only reason anyone remembers it positively Nah, the story largely sucks. Most players remembered the brutal difficulty that forced cooperation and made poo poo feel earned.
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frodnonnag posted:Nah, the story largely sucks. Most players remembered the brutal difficulty that forced cooperation and made poo poo feel earned. yeah i never played but from my brother (who was an eq nut) it just seemed like japanese everquest.
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11s main plot points were pretty good unfortunately surrounded by a game that likes to dance on your balls in high heels. It would have been fine as a single player FF story entry. At least the Windurst storyline. Ajido-Marujido could have been Kefka levels of badass.
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