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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Grapplejack posted:

Why stop at water though? Just throw some leaves in there and suddenly it's tea and less weird.

sometimes you just want water

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tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe

R. Guyovich posted:

sometimes you just want water

Haha my instinct feeling is just drinking hot water is weird.

Beartaco
Apr 10, 2007

by sebmojo
It's like drinking shower water!

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


R. Guyovich posted:

fewer gullible people in the west thinking it's a real and pervasive thing would be a good start. individual companies like sesame credit do their thing and some local governments but there is no centralized "credit score" for everyone a la black mirror.

R. Guyovich posted:

there is no unified "social credit score." which i've said repeatedly here.

R. Guyovich posted:

no, they wouldn't. the whole narrative is about a centralized system that, again, doesn't exist. you are still stupid, congratulations!

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1149741.shtml

quote:

Social credit system to restore morality
Uncivilized behavior, dishonesty may lead to rejection of public service

China's ongoing construction of the world's largest social credit system will help the country restore social trust, but Chinese analysts also urged the government to soon release regulations to improve data protection over concerns about privacy leaks.

If drivers fail to pay a parking fee, this might be recorded in the future social credit system, according to the Beijing Municipal Commission of Transport in early May. Beijing also released revisions on its code of conduct for subway passengers, proposing that "uncivilized" behavior, including eating on the train, would be added to individual credit information.

People in Zhejiang who frequently change jobs with "malicious intent" might be included in the social credit report, according to the Zhejiang Province Human Resources and Social Security Department.

China plans to build a government-led national social credit system by 2020 to assess individuals, enterprises and government agencies on credit in four areas - administrative affairs, commercial activities, social behavior, and the judicial system, according to an outline issued by the State Council in 2014.

The social credit system is vital for the government to raise the social management level.

Good news everyone! According to China's own state media, the centralized national-level social credit system to evaluate, monitor, and rank citizens in part based on their behavior is just around the corner!

I suspect this will get handwaved away though, because the Global Times didn't specifically use the phrase "black mirror".

EasternBronze
Jul 19, 2011

I registered for the Selective Service! I'm also racist as fuck!
:downsbravo:
Don't forget to ignore me!

Known Lecher posted:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1149741.shtml


Good news everyone! According to China's own state media, the centralized national-level social credit system to evaluate, monitor, and rank citizens in part based on their behavior is just around the corner!

I suspect this will get handwaved away though, because the Global Times didn't specifically use the phrase "black mirror".

Has it never occurred to you that the CIA has infiltrated the people's daily? :smug:

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

You have to build the Communist New Man somehow, especially when you're the lone revolutionary power in the world, cannot establish full Communism, and are always one crisis away from being dismantled like the USSR.

Capitalism promotes sociopathic anti social behavior. The credit system is designed to do the opposite, to promote ethical communalism within the people. It's pretty similar to Comrade Che's merit award system he created for factory workers who exceeded expectations in their labors.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

This is not the russian thread, and I am not well versed in history.... but I think the general accepted opinion is that russia swing between europe and asia. Is neither.

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
Is there a Russian thread?

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1128654770250625025

Tom Cotton trying to gin up another chinese exclusion act

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1128654770250625025

Tom Cotton trying to gin up another chinese exclusion act
It is right and proper for any state to control the entry of agents of another state.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

It is right and proper for any state to control the entry of agents of another state.

Nice username/post combo

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

ThomasPaine posted:

Nice username/post combo
I'm just here to see the 123m spire.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Mar 23, 2021

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Nice fake news from a CIA front bro. :rolleyes:

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry

Can't believe it, this is unbelievable.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*


Drinking hot water will affect it in a positive direction.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Eating at Subway should be criminalized entirely, imo.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

i heard li keqiang hosed a pig once

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
When I was in Shanghai I noticed that some public toilets have dispensers for toilet paper but you need to scan your face to get it. I didn't try because I brought my own (a piece of advice that I'm super glad to have heard!). I was going to ask, do they work for non-citizens or do you need to be in some database? If so do they stop you wiping your rear end if you get bad social credit for poo poo-talking Xi online lol?

Generally speaking what benefits/punishments does the credit system entail?

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
have u guys ever heard of the show “black mirror”

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Those must be really new. When I was there just a few years ago they had no toilet paper at all.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Mantis42 posted:

Those must be really new. When I was there just a few years ago they had no toilet paper at all.

Yeah tbf it was only the public loos right on the bund, so super touristy/wealthy

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

I dont get it so is the social credit stuff not real, actually a good thing, the same as America, or are we moving on to hot water?

It's kind of hard following all these hot takes.

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
I am sure if you play a youtube/tudou talking head videos you can unlock a square of paper.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

The Great Autismo! posted:

have u guys ever heard of the show “black mirror”

Yeeeeep.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

This is just like the episode where that lady fucks a robot.

Barudak
May 7, 2007


So do foreigners have social credit. Asking for a me.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

BrainDance posted:

I dont get it so is the social credit stuff not real, actually a good thing, the same as America, or are we moving on to hot water?

It's kind of hard following all these hot takes.

Nobody asked, but let me give my opinion of social credit:

Social credit is a bad thing.

Go watch the TV serie "The Wire". Wen humans are forced to satisfy a statistic, they game it, the statistic start to look better, but is often at the sacrifice to the real thing.
Game score is a thing that will not make people better citizens, will get in the way, and sometimes will be between people and a healthy life.

https://medium.com/@roshanrevankar/juking-the-stats-5926eaf5464

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Word is that another close television analogue is "Black Mirror"

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


again, this is a local policy for beijing. doesn't contradict anything i said. but please, keep up the snide bullshit, folks!

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


R. Guyovich posted:

again, this is a local policy for beijing. doesn't contradict anything i said. but please, keep up the snide bullshit, folks!

I like how you just glosssed over my post that does, in fact, directly contradict everything you said, and topped it off with a side of :smuggo: to boot

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Known Lecher posted:

I like how you just glosssed over my post that does, in fact, directly contradict everything you said, and topped it off with a side of :smuggo: to boot

well, at least you kept the up the snide bullshit like he asked!

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
So what if it's a local policy for Beijing? Why does that change anything when it comes to talking about whether its good or bad?

Also, if they introduced it in Beijing, it wouldn't be a giant leap to expect it to appear in other places later on.

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

The thing that gets me about the social credit score

When they made the choose your own adventure one it just felt like a pain in the rear end every time I had to choose, I just wanted to sit back and relax. And I forgot I had subtitles set to Chinese, and that made all the choices Chinese. They give you so little time to choose it was just all stressful. So I didn't finish it, all that videogame poo poo was boring.

But that one where that girl is in a village and everyones trying to kill her and shes trying to escape but in the end you find out everyone is an actor and it's like an amusement park thing to torture her every day because she murdered some girl. But they make her have amnesia every day, that was good. poo poo, that's spooky.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Tei posted:

Nobody asked, but let me give my opinion of social credit:

Social credit is a bad thing.

Go watch the TV serie "The Wire". Wen humans are forced to satisfy a statistic, they game it, the statistic start to look better, but is often at the sacrifice to the real thing.
Game score is a thing that will not make people better citizens, will get in the way, and sometimes will be between people and a healthy life.

https://medium.com/@roshanrevankar/juking-the-stats-5926eaf5464

Searing insight, too bad tracking and scoring people based on a number is already policy in the US and used implicitly to oppress the poor and minorities. Only if Transunion, Equifax, and Amazon are involved it's not a big deal because ___________________

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Searing insight, too bad tracking and scoring people based on a number is already policy in the US and used implicitly to oppress the poor and minorities. Only if Transunion, Equifax, and Amazon are involved it's not a big deal because ___________________

... as socialists, we know the public sector is usually more efficient. :v:

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
That equiafax US IS BAD poo poo pales in comparison with something like the hukou system

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

caberham posted:

That equiafax US IS BAD poo poo pales in comparison with something like the hukou system

Are you going to conflate the hukou system with "social credit" now?

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
You are the one who likes to go

COMPARED TO CHINA, DO YOU KNOW AMERICA..?

And whatever bad china is at, USA is just as bad or worse

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caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Yes there’s a social credit system, but no it’s not going to be as retarded and immediate as black mirror where you lose privileges within the next 5 minutes of X (unless you get arrested or something)

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