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Emalde posted:It was a puzzle boss that people didn't work very hard at to figure out the puzzle for. People attacked it, the HP went down, "ah, this must be how you do it." Just wow if you think people didn't try as hard as they could to figure it out before being forced to grind it down. And SE's terrible "how to fight it" video, after patching out methods that were deemed "incorrect" (hello, Kraken Club/DRK changes). Then the kills also resulted in nothing but a massive waste of everyone's time because it had no drop table, anyway.
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Maybe the real reward to killing Absolute Virtue was all the friends we lost to physical exhaustion on the way.
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May 15, 2019 22:03
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Pussy Quipped posted:I’m on the ultimate weapon part of the MSQ but I heard there are like 100 quests of filler between this and heavensward content. Is that true? Is it worth watching all the cinematics and such for these ? That last 1/2 or 1/3 are worthwhile in my opinion. Many of the threads there start the foundation of the Heavensward story lines.
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May 15, 2019 22:04
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Pussy Quipped posted:I’m on the ultimate weapon part of the MSQ but I heard there are like 100 quests of filler between this and heavensward content. Is that true? Is it worth watching all the cinematics and such for these ? If you are at all interested in the story but in a rush, watch up to the credits following Praetorium, then skip any text and cutscene up until about the point Ramuh appears. After that fight is where the plot starts to become cohesive and the prep for Heavensward begins (there's still like 40 quests left to go from there). With the release of HW, main story quests tend to be individually longer but fewer in number and there's a lot less fetching to do. You will never completely escape from having an NPC ask you to collect literal poo poo for them, though.
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May 15, 2019 22:06
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Which one's second in MSQ, Leviathan or Ramuh? 'cos I too would play and watch until you finish Praetorium, then ignore everything until you've clobbered both of those fellows (uh, spoilers?  ), then start paying attention again.
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May 15, 2019 22:11
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Azubah posted:Sorry to detail old game chat, but I just realized there's going to be a whole new dimension of people dunking on Alphinaud. Best part of the story!
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May 15, 2019 22:16
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kaptainkaffeine posted:they just keep comin' and comin' but they just can't make me do em They are absolutely going to make you run Qarn and you will
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Okay, and that’s all great at an individual level, but we’re talking about a corporation. How do you prove the intent of a corporation in this case when it doesn’t have anything to do with money directly? I don't think Japan in general has done a good job over the last century of even acknowledging all the war crimes Imperial Japan was responsible for, I doubt a Japanese company is going to buck its own government and be the first to apologize. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. At best, they'll quietly remove the items or just not offer them.
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Schubalts posted:Just wow if you think people didn't try as hard as they could to figure it out before being forced to grind it down. And SE's terrible "how to fight it" video, after patching out methods that were deemed "incorrect" (hello, Kraken Club/DRK changes). yeah the dumbest part was them saying "nope you didn't do it right". uhh they killed it didn't they? it's not like verant got all pissy when people killed the sleeper.
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May 15, 2019 22:30
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Digital Osmosis posted:Since I'm more of a solo-player, and since I figure people will be skipping the plot in dungeons they've already played, I kinda stayed away from the game. This is an extremely reasonable concern that fortunately hasn’t been a problem in practice. All story scenes are before or after dungeons, or unskippable (very very very rare). Most dungeons have short nonstory scenes when you enter the dungeon and when you reach the final boss as well. The other players can’t start until you finish the starting scene, and almost every group will wait for you to finish the pre boss scene so that you can help out! And new players watching scenes are actually eagerly WELCOMED in dungeons because they provide valuable extra rewards for the group. So instead of being annoyed at having to wait for you, people are almost always glad to do so because you give them that sweet sweet bonus
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May 15, 2019 22:31
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May 15, 2019 23:07
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Ciaphas posted:Which one's second in MSQ, Leviathan or Ramuh? 'cos I too would play and watch until you finish Praetorium, then ignore everything until you've clobbered both of those fellows (uh, spoilers?
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's not like verant got all pissy when people killed the sleeper. Incorrect. There were two very famous Sleeper incidents that Verant/SoE showed their rear end over.
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Pussy Quipped posted:I’m on the ultimate weapon part of the MSQ but I heard there are like 100 quests of filler between this and heavensward content. Is that true? Is it worth watching all the cinematics and such for these ? Most of them no, but things pick up very notably near the end as things head into Heavensward, and you absolutely shouldn't skip the last several cutscenes.
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Tashilicious posted:I don't think the China only store stuff is developed by Squeenix directly though. China and Korea commission the items from SE. The items are actually developed by SE to make sure they'll actually fit in with the world at the highest quality possible. I mean, I say that, but then we still get half-effort poo poo like the prince stuff, but whatever. That's the process anyway. World War Mammories posted:ffxi had - still has, I guess - a fairly involved story, it’s just that back in the day you had to kill 25,000 crabs before you could do most of it I love the story of XI and Vana'diel and I played FFXI for so long not because I liked the gameplay, but because I liked the story and exploration. XI's current iteration is closer to my ideal now, but I don't have the time or money to play more than one MMO at a time, especially since I've already experienced most of what XI has to offer. XI as it existed was definitely a painful experience though, one that I'd return to solely because I had to see more characters like Lilisette.
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There are loving crazy people who insist on playing classical ff11 before all qol improvements and the massive grind. Compared to them playing current ff11 ls very reasonable.
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Leal posted:Maybe the real reward to killing Absolute Virtue was all the friends we lost to physical exhaustion on the way.  the boss that lasted for 18 hours and had people puking from exhaustion was pandemonium wardenThe Grimace posted:I love the story of XI and Vana'diel and I played FFXI for so long not because I liked the gameplay, but because I liked the story and exploration. XI's current iteration is closer to my ideal now, but I don't have the time or money to play more than one MMO at a time, especially since I've already experienced most of what XI has to offer. XI as it existed was definitely a painful experience though, one that I'd return to solely because I had to see more characters like Lilisette. oh yeah, it was a very cool setting. I was in a group that did the chains of promathia missions when they were fresh content, before they added limbus or the jailer/AV system, which should prove that I liked it. not necessarily the plot but the world-building. walking into the empyreal paradox and seeing qufim down below, or realizing that qufim is shaped like a crescent because most of the original island got scooped up to make tu'lia. and suddenly it occurs to me that XIV repeats that plot point with the burn and azys lla
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Leal posted:Maybe the real reward to killing Absolute Virtue was all the friends we lost to physical exhaustion on the way. the prize was the freedom when you got banned for "exploiting" to kill it
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May 16, 2019 02:13
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It pretty much isn't a thing anymore now that they just give you all of them instead of having a limited number of slots. Big ol failed experiment
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May 16, 2019 05:54
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I swear to God, if I lose peloton.
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May 16, 2019 05:55
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Poops Mcgoots posted:I swear to God, if I lose peloton. and also give dancer the run speed buff
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May 16, 2019 05:57
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But only if it forces everyone in the party to pirouette while it's active.
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May 16, 2019 06:01
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homeless snail posted:It pretty much isn't a thing anymore now that they just give you all of them instead of having a limited number of slots. Big ol failed experiment I'm 100% okay with role actions being axed if, and only if, I can still use Rescue on AST.
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Archyduchess posted:I have a feeling I'm going to be *real* torn between Bard and Dancer. Sounds like the same old song and dance to me. 
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Dear Yoshida, Please make Ten-Chi-Jin for Ninja less demanding. Wish you were here, Knives Jonquil
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World War Mammories posted:
I mean my experiences with AV were that long and ridiculous because we were trying to figure out wtf to do, especially before the wall glitch was found. Granted because it was a world boss we swapped off ls's doing it with EU and JP shells so no one suffered too unduly. Also I'm probably just an old grognard because I also compare XIV unfavorably to XI in terms of world building and plot. Like the story of XIV is well written and all, but it's not compelling to me. Like I don't really care about any of the characters on a real level like I do about the MMO's that really grabbed me. XIV's world is just a combination of all the bad parts of Game of Thrones writings AND too video gamey. Everyone is kind of a bastard and it's just endless references all the way down. Shadowbringers is the one time I'm really all in on the story just because it's finally crossed the threshhold of the references are stupid to there are so many references it's gone to plaid. Like if we're stuck with a video gamey reference filled world, hell yeah bring in Yoko Taro.
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Who in the principle cast is an outright bastard? Like, I always felt like xiv's writing was rather optimistic because most of the characters generally have the view that things will get better so long as they make a plan, buckle down, and see it through together.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Who in the principle cast is an outright bastard? Like, I always felt like xiv's writing was rather optimistic because most of the characters generally have the view that things will get better so long as they make a plan, buckle down, and see it through together. And to be fair it did eventually work out. I guess Urianger is a scheming dickbag but I think Alisaie's going to collect his lights and liver if he pulls that poo poo again. Though wow, if they do a significant timeskip, Alisaie and Alph might grow up, huh.
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FFXIV 2.0+ will forever exist in a weird time-warp of "five years after the calamity", no matter how many Heavensturn helmets the Warrior of Light collects.
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Tataru. Hands down. By any means necessary, so long as it's within budget.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Who in the principle cast is an outright bastard? Like, I always felt like xiv's writing was rather optimistic because most of the characters generally have the view that things will get better so long as they make a plan, buckle down, and see it through together. In the main cast not many, but I more mean in the texture of the world. We were just talking about how many real world atrocities the Garlean's do, but it was all over the 2.0 writing, the game relies on rape to generate drama a lot. I guess I do carry a lot of residual grumpiness from that era where there really wasn't anyway to root for in the main story, Eorzea felt no better than Garlemand for a long while.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Who in the principle cast is an outright bastard? Like, I always felt like xiv's writing was rather optimistic because most of the characters generally have the view that things will get better so long as they make a plan, buckle down, and see it through together. Me, the Warrior of Light, the inheritor of an ancient civilization's legacy of destruction who has fully embraced their role as a weapon to be wielded by better angels in order to further their personal goal of amassing forbidden and forgotten arcane knowledge. Except when they're dancing with moogles or picking flowers, I guess.
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Cabbit posted:Except when they're delivering letters for moogles or spending time with their good friend Hildibrand, I guess.
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