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luxury handset posted:guess how much old people like it when you teach kids more intuitive ways of doing math in your head You dare speak of common core
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luxury handset posted:guess how much old people like it when you teach kids more intuitive ways of doing math in your head My kid is in first grade pretty much learning number theory instead of rote algorithms. It’s good.
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May 16, 2019 05:51
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I remember seeing common core math homework examples and being confused by how you'd even answer them, then I realized it was teaching how to do math the way I did it starting with like, high school. Good on educators for trying to get kids started thinking about it earlier.
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May 16, 2019 05:54
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Faustian Bargain posted:Haha, just old people? My 35 year old friend occasionally shares those “dang common core math makes no sense” posts. But see, I don't understand it, and since I have no memory of a time when I was learning how to do arithmetic, it was obviously easier because I learned it that way.
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May 16, 2019 05:55
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SpacePig posted:But see, I don't understand it, and since I have no memory of a time when I was learning how to do arithmetic, it was obviously easier because I learned it that way.
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May 16, 2019 05:58
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Poops Mcgoots posted:I remember seeing common core math homework examples and being confused by how you'd even answer them, then I realized it was teaching how to do math the way I did it starting with like, high school. Good on educators for trying to get kids started thinking about it earlier. I forget what thread it was in (maybe even this very thread) but I remember a series of posts on here about Common Core where one poster didn't understand it and thought it was stupid because all the examples being posted were from actual children's homework and used small, 2-digit, numbers. Someone then posted a problem with a set of 6-digit numbers and asked the guy to solve it, and he did. Then they asked him how he got the answer and it came out that he used some tricks that he picked up in some business math course he took in college. The same trick was one Common Core was teaching kids to use.
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May 16, 2019 06:03
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Captain Monkey posted:75% chance the blowup was Trump/right wing related.
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May 16, 2019 06:03
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Cernunnos posted:I forget what thread it was in (maybe even this very thread) but I remember a series of posts on here about Common Core where one poster didn't understand it and thought it was stupid because all the examples being posted were from actual children's homework and used small, 2-digit, numbers. IMO, this is the biggest problem with explaining Common Core math to adults. The examples from kids homework are all so simple that most adults don't even have to think about the problem solving process and any deviation from that process seems unnecessary and confusing. Give them an example they can't just solve instantly at a glance, something with a lot of borrowing and carrying the one and whatnot and that can change. Though, honestly, I've found that the best way to explain it to people is that it's like making change when you pay with cash. If something costs $13.68 and they pay with a 20, how do you count out the change? You build back up. Two pennies to $13.70, a nickle to $13.75, a quarter to $14.00, a one to $15.00, and a five to make $20. Khizan has a new favorite as of 08:20 on May 16, 2019 |
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May 16, 2019 08:17
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I never understood the outrage because that's the technique I developed in my head as long as I can remember.
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May 16, 2019 08:39
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Comments on NASA stuff are always interesting
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May 16, 2019 09:06
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Cernunnos posted:I forget what thread it was in (maybe even this very thread) but I remember a series of posts on here about Common Core where one poster didn't understand it and thought it was stupid because all the examples being posted were from actual children's homework and used small, 2-digit, numbers. Someone then posted a problem with a set of 6-digit numbers and asked the guy to solve it, and he did. Then they asked him how he got the answer and it came out that he used some tricks that he picked up in some business math course he took in college. The bit I remember was people who learned that method going "it's just the same way everyone naturally does it in their head anyway" and people who didn't learn that way going "no it isn't". I don't know whether any particular way of learning arithmetic is better than any other but the usual "it's more intuitive the way I learned it" always seems to come down to people not realising that they've just internalised a particular learned method.
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May 16, 2019 09:24
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Idiots on Social Media: #New Profile Pic
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May 16, 2019 09:39
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Tiggum posted:The bit I remember was people who learned that method going "it's just the same way everyone naturally does it in their head anyway" and people who didn't learn that way going "no it isn't". I don't know whether any particular way of learning arithmetic is better than any other but the usual "it's more intuitive the way I learned it" always seems to come down to people not realising that they've just internalised a particular learned method. It's kind of the whole word vs. phonetic learning debate, but for math. One is probably better in the sense that it's a better foundation to build more learning onto, but people are going to have different skills that favor one or the other and use that to decide what they think is best.
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May 16, 2019 10:55
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"The important thing is to understand what you're doing, rather than to get the right answer" 
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May 16, 2019 11:09
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Data Graham posted:"The important thing is to understand what you're doing, rather than to get the right answer" Aside: love when some old person describes something clearly and obviously better than the status quo as being some ridiculous newfangled gizmo created purely to spite good honest people. Like that Carlin bit where he bitches about queuing: "Stand in line at the bank, for a really long time! One of those NEW kind of lines they have at the bank *ominous spooky voice, like this is some diabolical new invention designed specifically to dehumanize people and make their lives worse* THE COMMON FEEEEDER LINE" Because picking a teller and lining up at that one teller's window, where they might be slower or faster than the others, or suddenly go on break—that was MUCH better, and clearly why they all still do it that way
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May 16, 2019 11:15
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https://twitter.com/TonyAbbottMHR/status/1128969163911811072 remember that beloved ex-PM who just died? he wasn't really labor he was pretty much one of us anyway VOTE FOR ME
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May 16, 2019 12:05
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I hope Tone gets nutted again in the near future
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May 16, 2019 12:21
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"The Honourable Tony Abbott" is such a loving contradiction in terms
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May 16, 2019 12:45
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Weatherman posted:"The Honourable Tony Abbott" is such a loving contradiction in terms I'm sure there's an honorable Tony Abbott somewhere in the world, but it ain't that one.
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May 16, 2019 13:13
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BrigadierSensible posted:12yo: "Daddy raped me" Abortion is just the public thing they go for to make it easier to push forth their ultimate goal, which is control of women's sexuality. They always pair up anti-abortion laws with elimination of sex ed, attempting to restrict birth control, making it harder to prosecute rapists, etc. The end goal is to completely strip women's rights to their own bodily autonomy so they can be barefoot and pregnant.
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May 16, 2019 14:09
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https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1129005074565484545 This 60/40 Red state is dragging the country down, why don't they have the good sense to live in a 40/60 blue state like me
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May 16, 2019 14:48
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May 16, 2019 15:18
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Miss posted:https://twitter.com/TonyAbbottMHR/status/1128969163911811072 This sounds like saying Bill Clinton wasn’t a real leftist because of NAFTA and welfare reform. Which is, you know, true.
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May 16, 2019 15:24
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Picnic Princess posted:I never understood the outrage because that's the technique I developed in my head as long as I can remember. people really don't like to confront the idea that their education was substandard, because this then implies that they are not as educated as they think they are, which then leads to maybe they're not as smart as they think they are math is a weird one because there's this socially accepted excuse of "math is just hard" or "i'm not a math person" which is super dumb if you think about it in terms of reading. "reading is just hard, i'm not the kind of person who gets reading" etc. and math IS hard, but that's no excuse, and there's no reason why your average adult can't learn and process most of the math that is necessary to be a functional person in society. like all you need to have is some basic grasp of statistics, algebra, etc. to understand things like Big Numbers and how interest rates work, etc. so when you start undercutting basic, basic math like addition/subtraction with these teaching methods that are not traditional to the american educational system, people react in a visceral way because it makes people feel inadequate and the even weirder thing is how the opposite is true for history/social sciences, where people absolutely make up bullshit like "democrats are the party of the KKK" and then assert everyone who disagrees with them is uneducated
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May 16, 2019 15:38
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luxury handset posted:people really don't like to confront the idea that their education was substandard, because this then implies that they are not as educated as they think they are, which then leads to maybe they're not as smart as they think they are *extremely pardoned for my campaign finance crimes voice* UH are you saying the Democrats DIDN'T found the KKK????
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May 16, 2019 15:44
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Mak0rz posted:Warning: boomer meme As a former math teacher, I've seen a million iterations of this, and it never ceases to piss me off. Bonus points that this one specifically references Algebra 2 (my last year teaching was 6 sections of that). Trade secret: math teachers actively don't give a gently caress if you learn poo poo like the quadratic formula. You're never going to use it (though it is important for the ignored minority of students who will actually go into STEM fields). But school is not about learning every skill you need in your life, you're supposed to be learning how to learn, how to deal with frustration with difficult problems that don't have plug&chug solutions, how to do abstract reasoning, and how to find resources to solve problems when the most obvious first approach fails. If you learn these things, you can figure out how to do your own loving taxes because that poo poo is laughably simple for 99% of people complaining about this.
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May 16, 2019 16:10
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BaronVonVaderham posted:As a former math teacher, I've seen a million iterations of this, and it never ceases to piss me off. Bonus points that this one specifically references Algebra 2 (my last year teaching was 6 sections of that). At what point has the "Figure it out yourself, dumbass" approach to teaching teenagers how to be adults ever worked?
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May 16, 2019 16:18
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zoux posted:*extremely pardoned for my campaign finance crimes voice* UH are you saying the Democrats DIDN'T found the KKK???? https://thinkprogress.org/five-ways-rand-paul-whitesplained-politics-at-howard-university-8b8d436fbdcb/
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Mak0rz posted:Warning: boomer meme i graduated in 04 and they had that course at my highschool its called basic math home ec and civics. 2/3 are required to graduate and both are tested for on the exit exam i was forced to take before i could "pass" highschool despite my 3.8 avg. Algebra 2 wasnt even required. prealgebra was the highest math you had to pass. i doubt they went up to algebra 2 being a required course in 15 yrs because my boomer rear end parents only had to pass prealgebra as well. snergle has a new favorite as of 16:30 on May 16, 2019 |
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May 16, 2019 16:28
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just throw children in a pit with a few tablets loaded with educational apps and leave them there for 12 years imo
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May 16, 2019 16:35
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May 16, 2019 16:36
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1129005074565484545 there are like ten posts exactly like this made per day on these forums
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hawowanlawow posted:there are like ten posts exactly like this made per day on these forums Surely most Americans are embarrassed by what Alabama has done? Especially when it gets challenged, push up to the supreme court and confirmed as just fine there. Krassenstein seems like an idiot but not about being embarrassed about Alabama.
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May 16, 2019 16:45
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Aramoro posted:Surely most Americans are embarrassed by what Alabama has done? Especially when it gets challenged, push up to the supreme court and confirmed as just fine there. Krassenstein seems like an idiot but not about being embarrassed about Alabama. southern states are often convenient punching bags for regressive policies that are endemic across america. the particulars of state level politics serve as outrage sinks for folks who live in marginally better states, but still in the same lovely country
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May 16, 2019 16:46
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luxury handset posted:southern states are often convenient punching bags for regressive policies that are endemic across america. the particulars of state level politics serve as outrage sinks for folks who live in marginally better states, but still in the same lovely country See also: "Florida Man" Which apparently is only a thing because Florida, uniquely among states, makes criminal records public So it's really just "America Man", but we only hear about the Florida ones
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May 16, 2019 16:49
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hawowanlawow posted:there are like ten posts exactly like this made per day on these forums Jastiger is a Krassenstein... Also these arguments ignore things like racially motivated voter suppression and gerrymandering. A lot of these red states wouldn't be if elections in the south were free and fair.
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Aramoro posted:Surely most Americans are embarrassed by what Alabama has done? They are, and I daresay given the polling on beliefs about abortion rights most Alabamans are embarrassed too. But the iosm here is how well known grifters and con men the Krassensteins are bleating out the lovely trope of noble, enlightened blue state city dwellers having to ONCE AGAIN put up with the backwards thinking of those big dumb dummy hillbillies in rural areas and red states. It's both unhelpful, short sighted, and ultimately just part of the Krassensteins efforts to build their brand so they can steal more money from people.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:As a former math teacher, I've seen a million iterations of this, and it never ceases to piss me off. Bonus points that this one specifically references Algebra 2 (my last year teaching was 6 sections of that). Of course, if they did drop STEM courses to teach "How to file taxes," and "how to buy a house," Boomers would just say "What high schooler without a basic knowledge of algebra is going to buy a house right out of high school? We should be preparing them for college and joining the STEM workforce so they can make money!"
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Mak0rz posted:Warning: boomer meme In all fairness we really should have a class that teaches kids how to open a bank account, balance a budget, do their taxes. poo poo like that sometimes never gets taught to kids because the parents just expect you to pick it up by osmosis. Home ec I is still basically teaching you how to make biscuits or cookies and it's not a mandatory class. Skip the cookies and teach the basics of money management and hopefully it'd prevent a bunch of stupid mistakes people make early on in life.
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