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Captain Baal posted:I liked Dabura more when he was in SANDLAND   Something good...from 90s Toei?????
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Dabura is a loser jobber and I love him
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May 15, 2019 15:57
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Dabura is cool and he served as a reminder that the divine pantheon & offshoots thereof that were established earlier in DB were still at least somewhat relevant in this brave new world of alien monsters. He helps makes the jump from Buu to Beerus less of a thematic shift.
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May 15, 2019 16:32
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If you look at his outfit, you'll notice he's actually Grande Padre's evil twin.
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May 15, 2019 18:44
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Wouldn't be surprised if the demons are mostly wannabes in the grand scheme of things, with most of them in HFIL knowing their place in the universe as people who are there to do a job. Although the staff of Freiza's personal torment clearly enjoy their work. Incidentally, Super confirms HFIL is canon.
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May 16, 2019 12:09
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Wouldn't be surprised if the demons are mostly wannabes in the grand scheme of things, with most of them in HFIL knowing their place in the universe as people who are there to do a job. I don't think Super actually features the Oni or any of the previously set up locations, but yeah it does confirm that Dragonball Hell is basically a nice place of rehabilitation that only sucks if you're an irredeemable rear end in a top hat. Hidingo Kojimba fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 16, 2019 |
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May 16, 2019 14:10
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Hell sounds better than prison.
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May 16, 2019 14:12
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I thought Freeza's personal hell was a paradise just cause he's such an rear end in a top hat that regular hell was fun to him?
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May 16, 2019 15:06
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TheHan posted:I thought Freeza's personal hell was a paradise just cause he's such an rear end in a top hat that regular hell was fun to him? No that was Dabura
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May 16, 2019 15:18
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Frieza's time in Hell was spent literally hanging in a tree while angels and teddy bears sang songs and danced happily around them non-stop.
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May 16, 2019 15:21
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Gotta hand it to him. Stuck in a cocoon and he still managed to train by mentally murdering Goku over and over. Now that is dedication to hatred.
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May 16, 2019 16:01
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Improbable Lobster posted:No that was Dabura I thought Dabura was literally sent to Heaven because he had enough pull in Hell to keep it from being any kind of punishment?
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May 16, 2019 17:30
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Shindragon posted:Gotta hand it to him. Stuck in a cocoon and he still managed to train by mentally murdering Goku over and over. Now that is dedication to hatred. Image training is a long time mainstay in any martial arts manga.
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May 16, 2019 17:49
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Captain France posted:I thought Dabura was literally sent to Heaven because he had enough pull in Hell to keep it from being any kind of punishment? Yeah. It was a completely logical move and it ended up with Dabura completely reforming so good job, King Yemma.
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May 16, 2019 18:53
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Rhonne posted:Hell sounds better than prison. As the old joke goes, DBZ Hell is basically prison; you go there when you gently caress up or cross someone powerful, get super buff, and sometimes get out early for good behaviour.
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May 16, 2019 23:21
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Freezie breeze is like one of the only people still left in hell after about what? 764-779 for his first round of death? 15 years. Cell probably didn't even last 2 and eventually repented to reincarnate.
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May 17, 2019 05:42
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Does this mean there's someone out there called Llec to go with Uub?
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May 17, 2019 08:29
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Ztidar would be old enough to join the gang by now.
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May 17, 2019 08:45
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I don't think Hell in the canon version of things is a place you can wander around in like the first anime. Frieza's own little corner of hell was more than likely a space crafted for his own torment/to drive him to repentance. Everyone else down there is probably the same case.
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May 17, 2019 11:54
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Well, King Yama certainly seemed like he considered Frieza a special case, seemingly even aside from his already having escaped once via Dragon Balls. I could easily see Frieza's situation being a particularly special one, with an entire chamber of Hell being created just for him. Heck, Cell probably got one too, even if he cracked (probably) a lot faster. Vegeta might have gotten one too if he'd stayed dead while still Definitely Evil rather than his arguable state as of Super. Most people probably get the Gen Pop sort we saw all the way back in Z, even people like Doctor Gero and so forth.
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May 17, 2019 12:15
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I think uub only exists as a favor to goku so cell prob got reincarnated as an amoeba or something
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May 17, 2019 12:22
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As of Super Frieza is the only permenant resident of Hell, as everyone else got with the program and allowed their souls to be purified.
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May 17, 2019 12:24
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I do have a hard time believing Dr. Gero managed to get over his hate boner for Goku to be purified, but maybe there's a baby out there somewhere that still really really hates Goku
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May 17, 2019 14:13
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Judge Tesla posted:Does this mean there's someone out there called Llec to go with Uub? Funny you say that. When the Dragonball Anime Adventure Game, a traditional roleplaying game using the Fuzion engine, was not renewed to complete their Cell Saga supplement, the creator released the supplement as the "Llec Saga For The Magic Wishing Sphere Omega Adventure Game" online.
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May 17, 2019 14:52
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CharlestonJew posted:I do have a hard time believing Dr. Gero managed to get over his hate boner for Goku to be purified, but maybe there's a baby out there somewhere that still really really hates Goku There's nothing more pure than hating Goku.
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May 17, 2019 14:55
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Blaze Dragon posted:Yeah. It was a completely logical move and it ended up with Dabura completely reforming so good job, King Yemma. King Yenma is gonna get Dabura to fight Moro
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May 17, 2019 16:23
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CharlestonJew posted:I do have a hard time believing Dr. Gero managed to get over his hate boner for Goku to be purified, but maybe there's a baby out there somewhere that still really really hates Goku The main thing is that, according to Toriyama, only Freeza out of all villains is purely evil. Dr. Gero could've repented through his love for his son or something.
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May 17, 2019 16:40
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CharlestonJew posted:I do have a hard time believing Dr. Gero managed to get over his hate boner for Goku to be purified, but maybe there's a baby out there somewhere that still really really hates Goku And that baby's name: Bulla
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Well, King Yama certainly seemed like he considered Frieza a special case, seemingly even aside from his already having escaped once via Dragon Balls. Cell was specifically designed to be evil what with him needing to eat humans for his biological imperative. I'm sure Cell's redemption was first waiting for the logical loop of "How Can I be Perfect if I Lost?" to go through the stages of grief while Yamma eventually let him cry it off and tell him he can go through another larval stage if he's a good boy. The biggest issue between this was the depression of watching Gohan never be a relevant fighter again and getting bored about him being just a cool dad. Frieza and Gero? They likely burned the brightest in their hatred of one dumbass alone. Yamma probably has an ulcer shaped like Goku too, but c'mon here, guys!
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From my understanding, Japanese people really like Frieza and Americans really like cell. And Americans like Gohan a lot whereas Japanese people prefer Goku. And this has to do with the fact that Americans started with Dragon Ball Z which starts with Gohan at 4 years old, the same age as the audience. Dragon Ball was the start for Japanese fans and it starts with Goku at 10 years old, the same age as the audience. Americans grew up with Gohan and so his iconic villain is their favorite. Japanese people grew up with Goku. And so his iconic villain is their favorite. And no one holds the Majin Buu saga as better quality than the prior two. Not even the Brazilians and they love Dragonball to a borderline unhealthy degree.
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May 18, 2019 01:42
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I hold the buu saga as better quality than the Android Saga, actually
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I feel like most people only remember the cell games when they think of that chunk of dbz. the android saga makes way more sense after you learn how toriyama changed who the villain was like 4 times
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May 18, 2019 02:08
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i'm canadian and my favourite saga is the frieza saga because frieza has gorgeous abs, does this help or hurt your theory
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May 18, 2019 02:14
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Dr. Gero and 19 suck hard and all the Cells really aren't that compelling.
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May 18, 2019 02:14
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Also as an american, I would assume the reason we like Cell is because our Cell is incredibly catty and affable. Unless I missed something with JP Cell, it is a very standard Wakamoto villain and Cell in Japanese is nowhere near the level of self-aware that the one Funimation portrayed through Dameon Clarke is. The Gohan thing and final confrontation definitely play a factor in it, but I would not assume it is because Americans grew up with Gohan like that means anything to us. We still love Goku and Vegeta the most after all and a good portion of the North American viewership did not even see the original Dragon Ball tv airing or even the one that happened later when Funimation tried it again. The love for Goku entirely came about from Z since he is the main character after all. Also Buu Saga is actually pretty beloved by the Japanese fanbase too afair, Cell is the only villain and storyline who doesn't receive near universal love from them and even that part of the story is still liked enough. Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 02:26 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 02:23
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Cell also was the underdog for most of his arc which is a ice change of pace from most DB villains
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Killingyouguy! posted:i'm canadian and my favourite saga is the frieza saga because frieza has gorgeous abs, does this help or hurt your theory i'm also canadian and i'm gay 4 goku
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CharlestheHammer posted:Cell also was the underdog for most of his arc which is a ice change of pace from most DB villains Yeah, the period where Cell legit could have won in his own storyline is shockingly brief VS having at least one or more people around who could kick his rear end inside out. Even when he went into his perfect form, he was stronger to a good degree yes, but not as overwhelmingly so as Freeza (or Buu) by comparison. Perfect example- Vegeta has a desperate, all or nothing, flashy beam attack that could kill them all. Freeza shrugs it off without issue, Cell is gravely wounded by it but survives due to his extreme healing factor. Freeza was just so ridiculously stronger than everyone until SSJ came out, it was ridiculous. For his character, it makes sense. For Cell...well he hasn't really got a character until recently. Which I think is a huge problem with him.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Cell also was the underdog for most of his arc which is a ice change of pace from most DB villains Also all the cast gets a good shot at him and he struggles through it until the cast gently caress it up. and thus begins the tradition of the cast's (read Vegeets and Goku) hubris being their biggest downfall.
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Burkion posted:Perfect example- Vegeta has a desperate, all or nothing, flashy beam attack that could kill them all. Not correct. Cell survives because Vegeta deliberately missed. Healing factor or not, had Vegeta decided to hit with his Final Flash, he could've one-shot Cell - and destroyed the entire Earth with him, killing everyone, himself included. Admittedly, Vegeta only got that far because Cell got cocky and thought Vegeta couldn't ever hurt him. Which, you know, was a fair enough payback since the only reason Cell got that far was Vegeta's own hubris. Rigged Death Trap posted:Also all the cast gets a good shot at him and he struggles through it until the cast gently caress it up. It started a bit earlier, when Bulma points out that they can just ask Shenlong to tell them where Dr. Gero is and destroy his lab before the Androids even wake up and literally everyone decides they'd rather just fight them. Literally the entire arc could've been avoided if they listened to Bulma instead of going BUT COOL FIGHTS at her suggestion.
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