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Kindest Forums User posted:Should we make a tally of all the posters that confuse the anti-imperialist statement "Hands-Off" as unequivocally supporting the government in question as well. Cause it seems to be happening a lot. watch out guys, the communist is gonna tally you
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https://twitter.com/MikeSmythNews/status/1129090313643888640 the wood splitter was ok????
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Kindest Forums User I strongly suggest you stop posting in a forum once moderated by CIA affiliate VileRat if you want to make it in the Canadian Communist Party. Seems like it would be a pretty good reason to get purged IMO.
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May 16, 2019 21:25
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Pinterest Mom posted:I'm still confused as to why you're promoting the CPC instead of the more organised and more successful CPC-ML. My understanding is that CPC-ML basically just exists to sell Trot newspapers but I may be confused about that.
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May 16, 2019 21:38
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Square Peg posted:My understanding is that CPC-ML basically just exists to sell Trot newspapers but I may be confused about that. They've managed to field more than double, and usually more like triple, the candidates that the CPC has in every election since 2000. It's clear, to me, that Left unity must be built around the CPC-ML and not the CPC.
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May 16, 2019 21:46
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Pinterest Mom posted:They've managed to field more than double, and usually more like triple, the candidates that the CPC has in every election since 2000. It's clear, to me, that Left unity must be built around the CPC-ML and not the CPC. I suspect "fielding candidates" for parties like this mainly involves finding literally anyone willing to fill out the paperwork necessary to run.
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May 16, 2019 21:58
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Pinterest Mom posted:They've managed to field more than double, and usually more like triple, the candidates that the CPC has in every election since 2000. It's clear, to me, that Left unity must be built around the CPC-ML and not the CPC. As I understand it, they focus a lot of attention on fielding candidates. where the CPC focuses on membership, and isn't concerned with running candidates. They're not active in my area as far as I know. And they use too much yellow on their website.
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May 16, 2019 22:12
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If you're looking places to get involved in a practical way then I've heard good things about Canada's branch of Acorn and the Workers Action Centre. vyelkin posted:I feel like this is a thing that revolutions do at first, but history has shown us that a revolutionary moment has a way of being completely unpredictable and often completely uncontrollable in the way that political discourse and political culture shift, unexpectedly and rapidly. It's like the revolution itself becomes an actor and people try to guide it where they want it to go, but that's virtually impossible. Often that guidance is at first offered in reference to the past. Using examples from my own specialization, Russia in 1917 was absolutely full of references to the French Revolution. There were brochures and newspaper articles explaining different French Revolutionary concepts or even just explaining the history of what happened in France. They tried to adopt the slogan "liberty, equality, fraternity" wholesale. At one point Kerensky even tried to form a "directory" to rule the country, again mimicking French revolutionary developments. But ultimately all this was just one attempt to shape revolutionary discourse to imitate what Russians intellectuals and politicians saw as the last major moment when an oppressed people rose up and overthrew an autocratic ruler to institute a democratic republic instead. But of course there was a whole undercurrent of social revolution happening that didn't fit that model, people settling scores with their bosses and seizing their former landlords' land, and so new revolutionary understandings emerged to fit what was actually happening on the ground, and the end result was not only something that didn't fit that model, it was something that people who were using those French Revolutionary models to think about 1917 couldn't even conceive of. Yeah this is more or less what the DSA has been doing in America, where oldschool New Deal liberalism has been reinvented under the guise of "democratic socialism". Most of what the DSA and the Bernicrats seem to want is just a return to the American liberalism of a few decades past, but the contemporary language of liberalism is so bloodless and anodyne, and the scale of the challenges they're facing is so vast, that they've started talking like oldschool Marxists. Square Peg posted:My understanding is that CPC-ML basically just exists to sell Trot newspapers but I may be confused about that. I can only imagine that all three of them would be extremely pissed off that you called them Trots.
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May 16, 2019 22:37
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Edit: Never mind I missed it.
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May 16, 2019 22:54
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Kindest Forums User posted:Do you think the Communist Party of Canada should show solidarity with the President of the United States of America, Donald Trump, in a bombing campaign of North Korea? Is there an American bombing campaign of North Korea?
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May 16, 2019 22:59
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infernal machines posted:Is there an American bombing campaign of North Korea? There was increased aggressive rhetoric at the time of the tweet
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May 16, 2019 23:04
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Okay, so it was just a complete non sequitur, I thought maybe the armistice had ended while I was on the can.
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May 16, 2019 23:14
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Because increased rhetoric has never lead to actual conflict you see
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May 16, 2019 23:24
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lol at trying to defend China's government at loving all. And an extra big lol at the CPC defending some Chinese billionaire. Party of the workers yall
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May 16, 2019 23:27
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As a communist I will die on the hill of protecting criminal billionaire capitalist from facing the justice system.
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May 16, 2019 23:35
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A Typical Goon posted:Because increased rhetoric has never lead to actual conflict you see I honestly have no idea what's even happening here at this point. It seems to me someone asked if the CPC supports the DPRK, because some of their tweets suggest they do. Then the person who showed up yesterday to ask what we thought of the CPC and who has in the subsequent day defended them against all comers asked if OP supported the POTUS and his bombing campaign against North Korea, which to my knowledge was not an actual thing, and it appears is not an actual thing. So broadly speaking, keep on keeping on I guess. Good luck with whatever the gently caress weird internet slapfight involves owning people by accusing them of supporting hypothetical scenarios from the imagination of ???
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May 16, 2019 23:38
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So this is going back a while but I believe I was probated when I made this observation to some friends (in a chat window I just stumbled across) during BC's electoral reform referendum: Basically, you had to fill out your date of birth on the outer ballot envelope for it to be valid. The referendum took place very late 2018. 18 year olds are allowed to vote. The ballot envelopes came with a prefilled "19" in the year of birth. Did they ruthlessly disqualify ballots from 18 year olds or let "creativity" slide?
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May 17, 2019 00:36
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18 year olds can vote federally.
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May 17, 2019 00:47
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Provincially in BC too.
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May 17, 2019 01:28
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infernal machines posted:I honestly have no idea what's even happening here at this point. Hands Off has been consistently used as an anti-imperialist slogan. Not a "I support government x slogan". So when the CPC posts a slogan that says "Hands Off DPRK", it means that they're against imperialist action towards DPRK. When I asked what's wrong with the CPC, people posted the "Hands Off DPRK" as an example. So, I assumed that they think anti-imperialism is bad, and that we should support interventionism, and the people who want to intervene happen to be the United States of America (the United States of America like to use bombs). Why is that so hard to understand?
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May 17, 2019 01:56
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Helsing posted:If you're looking places to get involved in a practical way then I've heard good things about Canada's branch of Acorn and the Workers Action Centre. Thank you, this is good advice. I'm going to do that once I move to a bigger city. I think my experience would go a lot farther with these type of organisations anyways. For now, I'll continue my environmental work and read & learn more before I really commit myself to party politics. Especially how the communist party is seen by other "leftists" (at least here) - I didn't imagine so many people would have such a hateful reaction to the party. I already feel so suffocated with my other work, I don't think I'm prepared to isolate myself more by being a part of a "fringe" party. I'll stop posting and you guys can get back to posting about the stuff you usually post about.
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May 17, 2019 02:09
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Rime posted:I seriously and 100% want to do this, but the greens in Canada are far too hosed to ever be of use. We need to leverage this populist groundswell to create a hard left green movement with a strong socialist foundation, to counteract the hard-right wave which is washing over the country and to prepare us for the shitshow of the 2030's. Is it possible to kickstart a political party? There seems to be a lot of people that have the motivation to perform their civic duty of transforming Canada into an environmentally aware democratic socialist society, just that there's no valid output for it in the current political landscape.
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May 17, 2019 02:23
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Engineer a party name that works with the acronym PANIC and run with it.
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May 17, 2019 02:26
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Kindest Forums User posted:Hands Off has been consistently used as an anti-imperialist slogan. Not a "I support government x slogan". So when the CPC posts a slogan that says "Hands Off DPRK", it means that they're against imperialist action towards DPRK. When I asked what's wrong with the CPC, people posted the "Hands Off DPRK" as an example. So, I assumed that they think anti-imperialism is bad, and that we should support interventionism, and the people who want to intervene happen to be the United States of America (the United States of America like to use bombs). Why is that so hard to understand? It's hard for me to understand because I was unaware of the context of the "hands off" slogan. I guess there's a lot of assumed context here.
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May 17, 2019 02:27
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Sorry for being so snarky.
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May 17, 2019 02:32
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No need to apologize, but we're all Canadians here and there's going to be a lot of that going around.
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May 17, 2019 02:33
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For what it's worth I'm about to move back to Calgary from Missouri and am rip-roaring to actually get involved politically so this deep dive on the weirdness of Canadian leftist parties is very nice to know. Thanks, everybody.
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May 17, 2019 02:39
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What was life like in Missouri (besides "lol the south" or whatever)?
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May 17, 2019 02:41
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just another posted:What was life like in Missouri (besides "lol the south" or whatever)? Missouri is a weird state. The residents constantly vote for progressive things when they get them on the ballot, but they are still somehow die hard Republicans and very racist. I dont think we have an equivalent area in Canada.
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May 17, 2019 02:50
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Kindest Forums User posted:Thank you, this is good advice. I'm going to do that once I move to a bigger city. I think my experience would go a lot farther with these type of organisations anyways. For now, I'll continue my environmental work and read & learn more before I really commit myself to party politics. Especially how the communist party is seen by other "leftists" (at least here) - I didn't imagine so many people would have such a hateful reaction to the party. I already feel so suffocated with my other work, I don't think I'm prepared to isolate myself more by being a part of a "fringe" party. Nah man stick around, we could use some fresh blood.
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May 17, 2019 02:51
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Furnaceface posted:Missouri is a weird state. The residents constantly vote for progressive things when they get them on the ballot, but they are still somehow die hard Republicans and very racist. Missouri is severely gerrymandered so that rural and or white voters are over represented. You know, precisely what AV was supposed to prevent.
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May 17, 2019 02:55
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lol Newfoundland NDP won a seat by only 5 votes.
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May 17, 2019 03:12
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Femtosecond posted:lol Newfoundland NDP won a seat by only 5 votes. Irvings missed a couple bribes at the diner that day I guess.
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May 17, 2019 03:18
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Where do the Irving heirs rank on a utility scale where the Eatons are 0 and the Thompsons are 10?
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The NLNDP had only 14/40 candidates? woof
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How could anyone have forgotten about Newfoundland? edit: and/or Labrador
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just another posted:What was life like in Missouri (besides "lol the south" or whatever)? Alcohol is stupid cheap and you can have n-1 open containers in your car on the interstate. I went to one Blues game and the guy next to me loudly shouted "n-word where's my beer" when our black drinks guy hadn't come around to serve him his third $9 bud light of the period. Everyone in beer league hockey thinks they're Steve fuckin Ott and it sucks because even the ankle benders are trying to trash talk and slash you at every moment. There is no chill. The first winter was mild but the last 2 have been a crapshoot because the midwest is getting hilariously hosed by climate change. The rivers are constantly flooding during the spring and fall. But yeah, the population votes for relatively progressive things and then the Republicans they've elected do their best to gut it in committee. In conclusion, Missouri is a land of contrasts.
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Helsing posted:So guys just a heads up, CanPol can more or less be whatever everyone collectively wants it to be, and since a lot of people have expressed support for keeping things a bit more light hearted and chat oriented I've tried to mod this thread accordingly (which is to say I've done almost nothing). This rule is a worthless  standard that shouldn't be enforced considering posters continually turn a blind eye to or cheer on murder (ie guillotine anyone who can afford a vacation) or express hate and vitriol based upon region (ie gently caress Alberta / rurals).
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May 17, 2019 05:03
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Everyone should be able to afford a vacation. It doesn't have to be fancy or far. But I'd say that's a great marker of a well functioning economy and society when everyone from the janitor to the CEO can look forward to their vacation time. Guillotine is a metaphor. Mostly.
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