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JBark posted:I've also never shown a single piece of ID to fly domestic in the 10+ years I've lived here. Is this due to face recognition tech?
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Mortabis posted:Getting rid of overselling would increase price so I'm not a huge fan of that idea. But it'll be interesting to see how many seats end up vacant; I'd expect there would be fewer no-shows if the price is higher. It's a complicated issue tbh. On the face of it, overselling looks like airlines just being greedy assholes, and no-shows are assumed to be legit passengers who just didn't make the flight. What happens a lot of the time though, is travel agents will bulk book say 30 refundable tickets for some tour package they're offering. If they only sell 20, right up to the last minute, they refund the remaining 10. The airline knows this is going to happen, based on statistics, so sell an additional 10 seats on that flight. Now if the agent actually managed to sell those seats and everyone turns up, it's compensation time. If overselling goes away because of this bill though, the silver lining is that maybe standby travel gets easier!
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The travel agents need to overtly label those tickets as standby tickets, and then have only those be up for denying boarding. At some point if you're buying a cheeseburger it needs to be a cheeseburger.
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vessbot posted:The travel agents need to overtly label those tickets as standby tickets, and then have only those be up for denying boarding. They're allowed by the airlines to do that with full fare Y/F/J tickets though. That said though, do many travel agencies actually do that? Full fare tickets are pretty expensive.
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Airline passengers want to have their cake and eat it too. "We want lots of legroom, no overselling, great food, direct routes, lots of frequencies, full compensation for acts of god (and immediate, convenient rebooking in the case of weather or mechanical delays or cancellations), and also give us all that for loving cheap because if we see a fare that's three dollars less, we're gonna tell you to go gently caress yourself and buy that other one instead."
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PT6A posted:Airline passengers want to have their cake and eat it too. "We want lots of legroom, no overselling, great food, direct routes, lots of frequencies, full compensation for acts of god (and immediate, convenient rebooking in the case of weather or mechanical delays or cancellations), and also give us all that for loving cheap because if we see a fare that's three dollars less, we're gonna tell you to go gently caress yourself and buy that other one instead." Same thing with cruises. People want the lowest fare possible, then complain about cutbacks.
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hobbesmaster posted:They're allowed by the airlines to do that with full fare Y/F/J tickets though. That said though, do many travel agencies actually do that? Full fare tickets are pretty expensive. It's pretty destination specific. You see it a lot on flights out of Asia. You'll see a load on -80 in economy, then get on the plane and there's 20 open seats. You also get weird anomalies domestically where practically everyone on a popular business route has some kind of frequent flyer status, they all book the end-of-work-day evening return flight then show up early to fly standby on an earlier one. Now that evening flight flies empty. The airline knows this, so they oversell that one. Then an airplane goes tech during the day, all the business travellers can't get out early, and now they're paying people to take a later flight because of the oversell.
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Finger Prince posted:It's pretty destination specific. You see it a lot on flights out of Asia. You'll see a load on -80 in economy, then get on the plane and there's 20 open seats. You also get weird anomalies domestically where practically everyone on a popular business route has some kind of frequent flyer status, they all book the end-of-work-day evening return flight then show up early to fly standby on an earlier one. Now that evening flight flies empty. The airline knows this, so they oversell that one. Then an airplane goes tech during the day, all the business travellers can't get out early, and now they're paying people to take a later flight because of the oversell. I mean the latter is easily done with any fare class except the newest "basic" fares that the majors are trying.
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hobbesmaster posted:I mean the latter is easily done with any fare class except the newest "basic" fares that the majors are trying. Sure, it's more just an example of how you get into these oversell situations.
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Finger Prince posted:It's a complicated issue tbh. On the face of it, overselling looks like airlines just being greedy assholes, and no-shows are assumed to be legit passengers who just didn't make the flight. What happens a lot of the time though, is travel agents will bulk book say 30 refundable tickets for some tour package they're offering. If they only sell 20, right up to the last minute, they refund the remaining 10. The airline knows this is going to happen, based on statistics, so sell an additional 10 seats on that flight. Now if the agent actually managed to sell those seats and everyone turns up, it's compensation time.
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Things I learned today: The Australians post World War 2 built their own reusable target drone. That's not really surprising; what is surprising is that it sorta looks like a 1/3rd scale of a RAF strategic bomber as sketched in 1946.  Took off via trolly; landed via skid. It was called the Jindivik, which is an Aboriginal word for "hunted one" (though if you told me it was an Icelandic word I'd have believed you.) So possibly those dudes the Aboriginals killed via ritual hunt?  Or maybe a background mundane bomber in Thunderbirds?   At their modest job they were pretty good, and Britan and America both bought them, as did Sweden. Oh, and the first prototype they built was manned.  Oh and behind it there is a RAAF Avro Lincoln, refitted with what are I think the Shackleton's engines, which was for transporting British nuclear bombs to Australia. Oh, the weirdest thing is that according to the Wiki the British commissioned and bought 15 of these things in 1997. and I found this awesomely painted Canberra:  
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May 17, 2019 18:42
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Nebakenezzer posted:Oh and behind it there is a RAAF Avro Lincoln, refitted with what are I think the Shackleton's engines, which was for transporting British nuclear bombs to Australia. I feel like you're under selling this because the first that strikes you when you look at that picture is "dear god what happened to that Lancaster" (yes its a lancaster... a B-50 is a B-29 too)
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Mortabis posted:Getting rid of overselling would increase price so I'm not a huge fan of that idea. But it'll be interesting to see how many seats end up vacant; I'd expect there would be fewer no-shows if the price is higher. Not all airlines oversell though, do they? I seem to recall Westjet making a point of saying how they don't oversell their flights, especially in the wake of the news stories last year with people getting literally drug off. I think Southwest (who Westjet basically tried to model their business after until relatively recently) doesn't either?
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hobbesmaster posted:I feel like you're under selling this because the first that strikes you when you look at that picture is "dear god what happened to that Lancaster" Okay I admit I was just repeating what was under the picture on reddit Engine'ering a Lincoln makes a tad bit more sense, though, since the RAAF used Lincolns post war, and the Shackleton was just a re-engined Lincoln set up for maratime recon Fair point, though, I'm looking at those engines and am wondering if the outer props being counter-rotating 8 blades and having a normal interior prop is some sort of noise concession
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Probably modified for testing new turboprops. Or something.
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RandomPauI posted:Thank our godless state laws for mandatory fire sprinklers. I don't think the sprinklers actuated so much as the plane smashed right through the pipe, there was a huge waterfall in the video on the morning news. And thank goodness it was low/out of fuel, that would've been a fireball and a bunch of people would have died otherwise.
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Speaking of WestJet, I heard from one of my co-workers that Encore had a staffing problem the other day and they had to cover one of the routes with a mainline 737. That must have made a few people poo poo themselves in rage, and conversely, probably made the passengers very happy.
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Jealous Cow posted:Is this due to face recognition tech? Naw, they just don't give a poo poo, and probably realise that showing ID is pointless security theatre, considering how easy it is to get a fake ID that would pass muster during a quick one second glance. I think they are going to start using face recognition soon for incoming international flights though, which means citizens will just walk through customs.
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Finger Prince posted:It's a complicated issue tbh. On the face of it, overselling looks like airlines just being greedy assholes, and no-shows are assumed to be legit passengers who just didn't make the flight. What happens a lot of the time though, is travel agents will bulk book say 30 refundable tickets for some tour package they're offering. If they only sell 20, right up to the last minute, they refund the remaining 10. The airline knows this is going to happen, based on statistics, so sell an additional 10 seats on that flight. Now if the agent actually managed to sell those seats and everyone turns up, it's compensation time. Why shell out compensation when you can bloody doctors and drag them off the plane?
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Nebakenezzer posted:Okay I admit I was just repeating what was under the picture on reddit FuturePastNow posted:Probably modified for testing new turboprops. Or something. It's RAAF aircraft RF403, a Lincoln which was (as Nebakenezzer said) adapted for tests of the British Blue Danube free-fall fission bomb. The Lincoln was used to test-drop various designs of bomb casing/fin from high altitudes (up to 34,000 feet), which required souping-up the Lincoln by fitting Armstrong-Siddeley Python turboprops (as used in thread-favourite the Westland Wyvern) in the outboard engine locations while keeping the standard Merlin 85s inboard After the tests the Lincoln was used the ferry the real live Blue Danube from Adelaide (where the bombs arrived on a ship from Britain) to the weapons testing range at Woomera, where it was dropped by a Vickers Valiant...because why not use an experimental aircraft to carry nuclear weapons? BalloonFish fucked around with this message at 17:22 on May 18, 2019 |
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BalloonFish posted:because why not use an experimental aircraft to carry nuclear weapons? 1950's aviation in a nutshell. See thread title.
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Sometimes I think that the Aussies discovered a way to make airplanes so ugly they actually get lift from repulsing the ground.
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Ardeem posted:Sometimes I think that the Aussies discovered a way to make airplanes so ugly they actually get lift from repulsing the ground. ... but then they realized that the Brits had already made an AEW Nimrod to prove that concept?
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They aint wrong:
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Humphreys posted:They aint wrong: It’s the stealth wing.
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Platystemon posted:It’s the stealth wing. I'm pretty sure that's where they display air in an open space. 
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:I'm pretty sure that's where they display air in an open space. How do you know it’s not stealth air?
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It's clearly Wonder Woman's jet on display
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Ardeem posted:Sometimes I think that the Aussies discovered a way to make airplanes so ugly they actually get lift from repulsing the ground. The Connie is Australian?
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May 19, 2019 13:34
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Spaced God posted:The FTFY.
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I don't think I've seen this reason for airport chaos before - power outage in the fueling system means the planes can't be refuelled
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May 19, 2019 22:16
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Ouch. The worst thing a facilities manager can ever do is remind someone they exist.
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JingleBells posted:I don't think I've seen this reason for airport chaos before - power outage in the fueling system means the planes can't be refuelled I seem to recall it happening before, many years ago. I can't remember what airport.
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Can someone visit the graveyard at D-M?
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Yes, and visit the Pima Air & Space Museum while you're at it. http://www.pimaair.org/tour-boneyard
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That's a better excuse for fuelling problems than when my buddy stopped in Thunder Bay and couldn't get AVGAS. See if you can guess how they ran out, bearing in mind it's totally the Thunder Bay-est possible reason. The fuel truck driver had been arrested en-route before they could deliver it
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holocaust bloopers posted:Can someone visit the graveyard at D-M? My understanding is that there's a limited and underwhelming bus tour.
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Godholio posted:My understanding is that there's a limited and underwhelming bus tour. Which requires reservations made in advance: http://www.pimaair.org/tour-boneyard
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Which requires reservations made in advance: http://www.pimaair.org/tour-boneyard Just reading that: why wouldn't passports be accepted as ID for US citizens? That seems like an odd restriction, in Canada as far as I'm aware, a passport is absolutely the gold standard for photo ID. I'm kind of tempted to see if I can board a plane with my "aviation document booklet" next time I fly commercially, just for shits and giggles, now that I'm thinking about it. It's federally issued photo ID so I don't see why it wouldn't work, but I'm guessing it'd throw them for a loop.
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PT6A posted:Just reading that: why wouldn't passports be accepted as ID for US citizens? That seems like an odd restriction, in Canada as far as I'm aware, a passport is absolutely the gold standard for photo ID. Usually the only places passports aren't accepted are where they're trying to also establish residence, not just citizenship or identity. I have no idea why that'd be the case here.
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