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eh I mean this whole season was bad so it’s not like the finale came as a shock (though it was pretty ok compared to the rest of the episodes this season)
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McNally posted:You mean the dagger that's been in his belt since always? No poo poo? I appreciate the correction!
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May 21, 2019 12:11
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Altered Carbon started off really good but then they made up Takeshi’s sister and made her a perfect ninja waifu and replaced the actually good and interesting villain in the book with her. The whole second half of that season and was full of all sorts of bad choices by the writers and diverged from the books so significantly that I have no idea what they were thinking season 2 would be.
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May 21, 2019 12:32
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 Would loving watch. Also we need a “you watch the realm, we’ll watch the skies” meme with the dead dragons and dire wolves who didn’t make it.
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May 21, 2019 12:37
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You watch the realm, you watch the skies, and I'll hold the door
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May 21, 2019 14:22
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Internet Wizard posted:Altered Carbon started off really good but then they made up Takeshi’s sister and made her a perfect ninja waifu and replaced the actually good and interesting villain in the book with her. The whole second half of that season and was full of all sorts of bad choices by the writers and diverged from the books so significantly that I have no idea what they were thinking season 2 would be. Having not read the books prior to seeing the show, I enjoyed the hell out of it.
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I guess for me other than Dany's death (which I'd heard about before hand) and Drogon thinking the Iron Throne killed his mommy, there wasn't anything really interesting about the show. It hit the beats it needed to, and least made a modicum of effort to explain why Bran should be king. My biggest disappointment is how the show decided to not handle Dany's decent into darkness. Yes, she has often solved her problems with fire and/or murdering the people she doesn't agree with. However, in a world build on largely on honor and reprisals, her methods of revenge might be seen as harsh, but justifiable. I think I would have been alright with the desecration of King's Landing if she'd had an honest moment of reflect about it. Instead, we got Glorious Fascist Dictator speech.
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May 21, 2019 15:18
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Jon Snow could have been totally in the clear. All he had to say was, "I dunno, she started ranting about the wheel and kings and thrones, then she jumped on Drogon, melted the throne, and flew off. Yeah, just like Mireen." What is the lesson supposed to be here? None of the noble houses have been broken up, most of the same power structures from before the war remain in place, but it's OK because they put a computer in charge? Proud Christian Mom posted:You watch the realm, you watch the skies, and I'll hold the door Nice.
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May 21, 2019 15:25
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Also I find it hilarious that moving to an elective monarchy is presented like it's gonna fix much.
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May 21, 2019 15:31
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B8Ycfy-Ldc
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May 21, 2019 15:34
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Crakkerjakk posted:Also I find it hilarious that moving to an elective monarchy is presented like it's gonna fix much. Maybe this group of lords and ladies, survivors of the bloodiest war in a generation, can live peaceably, but their sons and daughters won't remember.
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May 21, 2019 15:57
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We all know that the only way to fix a monarchy is with plenty of guillotines.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Maybe this group of lords and ladies, survivors of the bloodiest war in a generation, can live peaceably, but their sons and daughters won't remember. gotta go fight a war so my lord dad doesn’t think im a total pussy A Bad Poster posted:We all know that the only way to fix a monarchy is with plenty of guillotines. 
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May 21, 2019 16:15
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Yea game of thrones 2 is gonna be when Bran the Broken dies and everyone just goes to war again.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Maybe this group of lords and ladies, survivors of the bloodiest war in a generation, can live peaceably, but their sons and daughters won't remember. Sure, and any time succession comes up it'll be a power struggle, not people voting for the wisest among them (even ignoring that that is an inherently political question). Not to mention that once the north was like "screw it, we out" it would have made a lot more sense for everyone else to be like "yeah, doing our own thing sounds good." And the north won't stay free for too many generations if there's any resources up there the rest of the kingdoms want, now that they're 1 vs 6. Whatever. Episode did what it needed to do, tied everything up, fan service ghost patting, etc.
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May 21, 2019 16:26
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Dead Reckoning posted:Jon Snow could have been totally in the clear. All he had to say was, "I dunno, she started ranting about the wheel and kings and thrones, then she jumped on Drogon, melted the throne, and flew off. Yeah, just like Mireen." Almost all of the great houses are completely destroyed now. The Tyrells and Martels were eradicated, the Lannisters are down to Tyrion and Casterly Rock was sacked, the Baratheon are lead by a bastard and had their realms destroyed, the river lands and in the hands of Edmure (lol) and the Vale is ruled by an idiot teen. The Starks are pretty much the only one of the seven main families to improve their position and they lost almost an entire generation of men. Bran is in a pretty awful position
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May 21, 2019 16:28
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Absolutely. I'm sure the next person they pick will also be unable to have kids that they would want to take over after they die. I'm also sure that what remains of the general population of Westeros won't have any problems with the situation they're all left with now: decades of war leaving the countryside and most major cities destroyed, everyone in the North is dead, and now the people who caused all of it just proclaim everything to be fine now, especially with an army of people from halfway around the world running rampant because they don't have any real allegiance to the new crown.
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May 21, 2019 16:29
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The Starks are also dead, just in one more generation. Bran is the last living male Stark and he can't have children. That also makes Jon the last living Targaryen.
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May 21, 2019 17:17
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Internet Wizard posted:Almost all of the great houses are completely destroyed now. The Tyrells and Martels were eradicated, the Lannisters are down to Tyrion and Casterly Rock was sacked, the Baratheon are lead by a bastard and had their realms destroyed, the river lands and in the hands of Edmure (lol) and the Vale is ruled by an idiot teen. The Starks are pretty much the only one of the seven main families to improve their position and they lost almost an entire generation of men. Engh, the nobles will be fine. They'll intermarry to minor nobility who is less murdered and in a generation they'll have plenty of lordlings to roam around mistreating peasants and loving around with political intrigue.
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Vasudus posted:The Starks are also dead, just in one more generation. Bran is the last living male Stark and he can't have children. That also makes Jon the last living Targaryen. To be fair, T'North is now an independent kingdom, so I think Sansa can do what she wants
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May 21, 2019 17:39
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Uh, didn't the last three-eyed-raven live for a thousand loving years or something?
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Nothing else makes sense. The magic time travel stuff is definitely going to be messed up.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Uh, didn't the last three-eyed-raven live for a thousand loving years or something? About 180 according to the ASOIF wiki.
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Internet Wizard posted:Almost all of the great houses are completely destroyed now. The Tyrells and Martels were eradicated, the Lannisters are down to Tyrion and Casterly Rock was sacked, the Baratheon are lead by a bastard and had their realms destroyed, the river lands and in the hands of Edmure (lol) and the Vale is ruled by an idiot teen. The Starks are pretty much the only one of the seven main families to improve their position and they lost almost an entire generation of men. Isn't Ed supposed to be like a really good guy (for a noble) and pretty big advocate for the commoners? Gonna be funny if they take off in power because a) everyone else is dead and b) the smallfolk are willing to do anything because they like him.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Isn't Ed supposed to be like a really good guy (for a noble) and pretty big advocate for the commoners? Gonna be funny if they take off in power because a) everyone else is dead and b) the smallfolk are willing to do anything because they like him. Pretty sure Edmure was a bumbling idiot nobody liked.
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May 21, 2019 18:39
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didn't he basically spend the last 5 years under house arrest, or did he get out from the Freys after they got Arya'd
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McNally posted:Pretty sure Edmure was a bumbling idiot nobody liked. In the context of throne gaming sure. But if he's the only dude who deliberately doesn't stomp on the peasantry they'll probably support him for no other reason than he's the only game in town.
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May 21, 2019 19:09
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Don't forget the Unnamed Prince of Dorne!
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Milo and POTUS posted:In the context of throne gaming sure. But if he's the only dude who deliberately doesn't stomp on the peasantry they'll probably support him for no other reason than he's the only game in town. He never had the chance to stomp on the peasantry. He became lord after his father died, made stupid battlefield decisions, then got captured at his wedding and spent a few years in a dungeon. His first decision when he was released was to roll over and surrender Riverrun to the Freys. I think the peasantry would view him as weak and ineffectual as opposed to "someone who hasn't mistreated us." Proud Christian Mom posted:didn't he basically spend the last 5 years under house arrest, or did he get out from the Freys after they got Arya'd Jaime Lannister let him out so he could surrender Riverrun, not sure what happened to him after that though.
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Edmure screwed over the blackfish at the possibility of seeing his wife and kid (the latter whom he’d never met) That whole siege was dumb. Then Brienne “escapes” quietly in the night out the unguarded moat or whatever the gently caress
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Which season Dany I was almost expecting a Khal Drogo feverish vision in a dream or some poo poo in her final throes of death and the sun rising in the west But let’s be real if he was anywhere near the set it would have been leaked long ago (or anyone that we didn’t see die on screen)
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McNally posted:I think the peasantry would view him as weak and ineffectual as opposed to "someone who hasn't mistreated us." The better to not stomp us with, obviously
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Milo and POTUS posted:The better to not stomp us with, obviously Weak and ineffectual leads to someone else coming in and taking over, so not really.
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May 21, 2019 22:03
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Didn’t know this about Naath, where Misandei is from and the unsullied are going From the books: the people in Naath are pacifists. They are also immune to the flesh eating butterflies that kill any invading people. Was there any point to the show sending the unsullied off or was that just to show true love~~
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McNally posted:Weak and ineffectual leads to someone else coming in and taking over, so not really. Sometimes sure but not necessarily
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May 21, 2019 22:20
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Milo and POTUS posted:Sometimes sure but not necessarily Edmure being a goober was exactly why Walder Frey felt comfortable pulling off the Red Wedding.
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