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My impressions of TOR were much more negative. But with games of this age you get a bit of a natural bias in terms of feedback. The people who loved it played it a bunch and have great feedback, while the people like me who didn't like it much have moved on and mostly forgotten what they didn't like about it. So I can't tell you exactly what it was that I didn't like except for some vague generalities. Even to me, the game seemed pretty OK. Like, if I had hated it, I would actually remember what I hated. But I merely thought it was sub-par, so none of the details stuck. Its closest comparable game is Mouse Guard, and there were several places in the game where TOR and Mouse Guard have similar mechanics with similar design goals and Mouse Guard's were clearly better designed. What were those specific places? I dunno - I forgot! But what Cirno says is definitely true - it's a focused game designed around having adventures like The Hobbit, and so despite any flaws, that makes it 100 times better than just putting a hobbit skin on a D&D ripoff. Back when it came out, you could still find a Mouse Guard hack called Realm Guard, and I recommended that at the time, but I have no idea if it's easy to find anymore, and anyway it was more focused and less versatile than TOR - in Realm Guard, you play a group of rangers of the north, guarding the roadways and keeping monsters away from the realms of men, so you can't play as dwarves or hobbits or whatever, so it might not suit your needs. Jimbozig fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 21, 2019 |
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ProfessorCirno posted:It is the Lord of the Rings / Hobbit roleplaying game, period. It's not a bad D&D skin or anything like that - it is built, 100%, and is fantastic at, running a long-scale low key adventure in Middle Earth with all that signifies. It's basically near perfect at genre emulation. Fuego Fish posted:So, from left to right here, we have: quote:Feature in foreground: BABY DARKSEID doo doo doo doo doo doo Baby Darkseid Baby Darkseid Ridin' on a bat Baby Darkseid Helical Nightmares posted:Anyway, I was forwarded an interesting forum post on the history of RPGs in Brazil. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:44 on May 21, 2019 |
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May 21, 2019 16:29
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Warthur posted:Re: The One Ring 2nd Edition - I note that they've shifted the timeline a bit from "5 years after the end of The Hobbit" to "25 years after", which I guess means we'll see less rehashes of 1st edition adventures and more stuff exploring things closer to the kickoff of the War of the Ring. It's a pretty clear desire to bank on what the general public remembers about LotR rather than on its faithfulness to Tolkien's oeuvre, which is a little worrying, but I guess I trust C7 enough not to cock it up. Given that all the supplements are planned to be compatible with TOR 2e, the mechanical changes will probably not be very extensive.
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May 21, 2019 16:52
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Halloween Jack posted:Holy poo poo, this is ridiculous. Why would a Bat-Flash be evil? I mean, he did murder the original Flash to get his powers, and he wanted those powers so he could do some more murderin' in the first place, so... that way, I guess? The event was nothing if not consistent in giving the audience a bunch of murderous Batsmen from grimdark Elseworlds.
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May 21, 2019 17:10
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Fuego Fish posted:I mean, he did murder the original Flash to get his powers, and he wanted those powers so he could do some more murderin' in the first place, so... that way, I guess? Murdered him? Based on the earlier description I literally had in mind Batman saying "hey, how can I make the Batmobile more aerodynamic? Well, we know that the Flash is completely immune to air resistence.. so obviously the most aerodynamic car is one with the Flash strapped to it."
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May 21, 2019 17:14
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hyphz posted:Murdered him? Based on the earlier description I literally had in mind Batman saying "hey, how can I make the Batmobile more aerodynamic? Well, we know that the Flash is completely immune to air resistence.. so obviously the most aerodynamic car is one with the Flash strapped to it." No, he kidnapped the Flash and chained him to the batmobile for the express purpose of stealing his powers and killing all the criminals in a flash. How this jives with Reverse Flash terroizing Batman? Reverse Flash mocking him that its impossible for Bruce to ever beat a Flash? Reverse Flash gloating any Flash can slow their perception of time down so far that they'd have hundreds of years to plan their next move? All in a storyline that came out only three months prior? Who knows: Bat is popular so he can do miracles because "its so cool ehmaigawd because I can be Batman if I try hard enough cause I'm already as smart clearly unlike Chad and Stacey!"
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May 21, 2019 17:27
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I'd presume it's a game of rocket tag. You can't beat the flash of he's expecting you but a good friend of his suddenly betraying the poo poo out of him is different.
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May 21, 2019 17:41
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hyphz posted:Murdered him? Based on the earlier description I literally had in mind Batman saying "hey, how can I make the Batmobile more aerodynamic? Well, we know that the Flash is completely immune to air resistence.. so obviously the most aerodynamic car is one with the Flash strapped to it." Worth mentioning that he and the other evil Batmen are from a literal Dark Multiverse, composed of flawed universes literally too grimdark to survive, and since the Dark Multiverse is overseen by a bat demon by the name of Barbatos, that darkness often had as it's focal point the local Batman equivalent Not even going to go into Baby Darkseid, cause the events that resulted in that are goofy even by DC comics standards
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May 21, 2019 17:50
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drrockso20 posted:Not even going to go into Baby Darkseid, cause the events that resulted in that are goofy even by DC comics standards Is Baby Darkseid or Young Apocalypse (Evan Sabahnur) stupider in terms of comics deaging their big antagonists?
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Warthur posted:Re: The One Ring 2nd Edition - I note that they've shifted the timeline a bit from "5 years after the end of The Hobbit" to "25 years after", which I guess means we'll see less rehashes of 1st edition adventures and more stuff exploring things closer to the kickoff of the War of the Ring. Or I just play an elf.  Although for serious, TOR is one of those games I would dearly love to try because when you find a good AP or even people just talking about it, it feels like the game really sings.
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May 21, 2019 18:05
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Arivia posted:Is Baby Darkseid or Young Apocalypse (Evan Sabahnur) stupider in terms of comics deaging their big antagonists? Evan is actually perfectly fine, for one thing he isn't the original, he's a clone, and secondly they actually used him pretty well overall
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Also, Apocalypse had already been really badly devalued for over two decades. The whole story that introduced Evan was probably the best Apocalypse story since Louise Simonson went off X-Factor; we're talking about a character that got rolled multiple times in order to try and sell Stryfe as a villain.
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May 21, 2019 18:37
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Also, Apocalypse had already been really badly devalued for over two decades. The whole story that introduced Evan was probably the best Apocalypse story since Louise Simonson went off X-Factor; we're talking about a character that got rolled multiple times in order to try and sell Stryfe as a villain. Is it weird that I actually kinda like Stryfe's design, it's just so ridiculous
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Arivia posted:Is Baby Darkseid or Young Apocalypse (Evan Sabahnur) stupider in terms of comics deaging their big antagonists? Cosmic Ghost Rider had a dilemma about whether or not killing baby Thanos was a good idea
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drrockso20 posted:Is it weird that I actually kinda like Stryfe's design, it's just so ridiculous I mean, Stryfe is lovable in a way a lot of oversold 1990s characters are these days, and it's not like he's unsalvageable, but I don't think he's as strong a concept as Apocalypse was.
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May 21, 2019 19:13
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Why aren't more apocalpyse setting like Nausica of the Valley of the Wind?
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Covok posted:Why aren't more apocalpyse setting like Nausica of the Valley of the Wind? Cause that takes more effort than Mad Max ripoff #85
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Covok posted:Why aren't more apocalpyse setting like Nausica of the Valley of the Wind? I think people like conflict in their apocalypse settings, and I think Nausica is kind of about the opposite of that. The game would have to be about avoiding fights, which is a great concept, but probably not very broadly appealing or very easy to pull off.
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May 21, 2019 19:38
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Covok posted:Why aren't more apocalpyse setting like Nausica of the Valley of the Wind? because it doesn't appeal to libertarian power fantasies as much as mad max ripoff #85
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PinheadSlim posted:I think people like conflict in their apocalypse settings, and I think Nausica is kind of about the opposite of that. The game would have to be about avoiding fights, which is a great concept, but probably not very broadly appealing or very easy to pull off. I've only seen the anime once well over a decade ago and I recall it being pretty pacifist, but I just recently re-read the manga and, oof, even Nausicaa is putting fools in the ground left and right. Even so, while it probably wouldn't do good sales, nowadays we have plenty of possibilities for designing games about avoiding bloody violence.
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drrockso20 posted:Cause that takes more effort than Mad Max ripoff #85 Brother Entropy posted:because it doesn't appeal to libertarian power fantasies as much as mad max ripoff #85 Jinx, you owe me a non-branded generic soft drink. Also, PinheadSlim posted:I think people like conflict in their apocalypse settings, and I think Nausica is kind of about the opposite of that. The game would have to be about avoiding fights, which is a great concept, but probably not very broadly appealing or very easy to pull off. This is true. It's about being a good person to each other and the enviroment. Its about living in peace with your fellow men and fixing the sins of the past. Its about a better future. Brother Entropy posted:doesn't appeal to libertarian power fantasies But neckbeards don't care about that poo poo.
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I kinda have in mind to make a postapoc fantasy setting like nausicaa as a sequel to a previous FFD6 game I abandoned. Basically it had the heroes of the previous game saving the world from the evil empire and yadda yadda but the cost of the final battle was so destructive that the magic crystals that powered the continent's magitek are completely shattered, the people are mutated from humans only to demihumans like moogle, bangaa, viera and others, magic becomes extremely rare for people, the artificial monsters that the empire created for war become feral and a clear danger and the previous five nations can't cope with these changes and decay into several tiny villages with only a couple of city states slowly reemerging.
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Covok posted:No, he kidnapped the Flash and chained him to the batmobile for the express purpose of stealing his powers and killing all the criminals in a flash. You too, can be born into wealth with enough hard work!  drrockso20 posted:Worth mentioning that he and the other evil Batmen are from a literal Dark Multiverse, composed of flawed universes literally too grimdark to survive, and since the Dark Multiverse is overseen by a bat demon by the name of Barbatos, that darkness often had as it's focal point the local Batman equivalent Seems a bit strange given that the Iron Age of Comics was a thing in Marvel/DC's main continuity.
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Flying Circus very much has that feel to it, fwiw
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Haystack posted:Flying Circus very much has that feel to it, fwiw What's Flying Circus? Also this: https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/72twui/rpg_settings_similar_to_nausicaa_of_the_valley_of/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share And this: https://maxpeterswrites.wordpress.com/category/nausicaa/ Former is a list of reddit thinks is a nausica rpg. And a Nausica Fate Hack.
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Chuubo is also an example of "surprisingly pleasant post-apocalyptic fantasy."
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Rand Brittain posted:Chuubo is also an example of "surprisingly pleasant post-apocalyptic fantasy." Believe it or not, it was on the redditots list. I never considered reddit a place for chuubos fans.
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Liquid Communism posted:Make everyone play Freebase, the HOL LARP. It has the only good alignment system in an RPG
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whydirt posted:It has the only good alignment system in an RPG Really? I thought there were tons of RPGs with no alignment system at all.
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Covok posted:What's Flying Circus? Erika Chappel's game about mercenary companies flying biplanes in a post-apocalyptic interwar Miyazaki-inspired Wilhelmine fantasy-Germany.
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Covok posted:Why aren't more apocalpyse setting like Nausica of the Valley of the Wind? Excuse me, Rifts has been ripping off Nausicaä since the beginning. (Badly, in a "Wow, cool monsters!" sense.)
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sexpig by night posted:Book of Vile Darkness is so over the top tryhard I genuinely can't tell if it's just an unfunny joke stretched out for a full price splatbook or if someone really thought a baddie like that would make players go 'woah that's so hosed bro'. The Book of Vile Darkness was written by Monte Cook, so that should tell you all you need to know
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LatwPIAT posted:Erika Chappel's game about mercenary companies flying biplanes in a post-apocalyptic interwar Miyazaki-inspired Wilhelmine fantasy-Germany. That sounds rad as hell
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Brother Entropy posted:because it doesn't appeal to libertarian power fantasies as much as mad max ripoff #85 Also I am one of the legendarily unfortunate souls who learned about the latter via the incredibly weirdly-edited "Warriors of the Wind" VHS tape, purchased from the bargain bin at my local Musicland as there were only three total anime titles available and I had seen the other two, how 90s can this sentence get Though to be fair I felt the music in Nausicaä was about as big a selling point as the endless fields of giant scarabs or undead god-warriors or bodacious gliders; which RPG system is right for me if I want the campaign to be based entirely around beautiful music
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I've you've only seen Nausicaa, this your regular reminder to go read the manga too. It's a much more complex and satisfying story.
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Lemon-Lime posted:I've you've only seen Nausicaa, this your regular reminder to go read the manga too. It's a much more complex and satisfying story. Same can be said about Akira
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Lemon-Lime posted:I've you've only seen Nausicaa, this your regular reminder to go read the manga too. It's a much more complex and satisfying story. I literally bought the manga today. So, suck on that lemon...lime...or maybe not. Maybe feel satisfied? Or nothing at all. Yeah, nothing at all makes the most sense. In the grand scheme of the cosmos, feeling anything is pointless.
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Covok posted:In the grand scheme of the cosmos, feeling anything is pointless. 
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Yawgmoth posted:In the grand scheme of the cosmos, everything is pointless because the universe is a meaningless expanse of infinite nothingness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoZUjxstIZs
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The Akira manga, and the Nausicaa manga to a much lesser extent, suffer from the problem a lot of epic manga do where it just sort of rambles for a long time. In fact it's kinda really bad in the Akira manga.
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