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My partner got a job offer from a State University and two other places she applied to (but was less excited about). It's basically everything she wants and a big pay increase and she's just thinking of taking it without any negotiation, considering it's a bit extra confusing negotiating with public bureaucracies. Normally shed negotiate, and she is in a good situation to do so, but she's not sure if it's worth it even in this particular case.
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May 8, 2019 01:43
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El Mero Mero posted:My partner got a job offer from a State University and two other places she applied to (but was less excited about). It's basically everything she wants and a big pay increase and she's just thinking of taking it without any negotiation, considering it's a bit extra confusing negotiating with public bureaucracies.
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May 8, 2019 01:57
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State universities may very well have rigid, formulaic pay grades but there's almost certainly no harm in asking, only upside.
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May 8, 2019 03:08
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State universities absolutely have strict pay bands (at least mine does). That doesn't mean they offered the top of that band though, make them tell you no.
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May 8, 2019 13:42
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El Mero Mero posted:My partner got a job offer from a State University and two other places she applied to (but was less excited about). It's basically everything she wants and a big pay increase and she's just thinking of taking it without any negotiation, considering it's a bit extra confusing negotiating with public bureaucracies. If they published the pay range with the job posting, and she got offered the top of that range, there's a 98% chance she can't get more. If they didn't post a range, she may have been offered more of the mid range, and there's room there to ask for more.
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May 8, 2019 18:02
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Just had the initial phone screen and the HR person asked me my salary requirements. I politely gave her a "not sure yet" as to avoid anchoring myself to a number. She said the range for the position is $68-75K. If I get an offer would it be silly to ask for more than 75K? Or is this standard for salary negotiation? I've never had a job where I have negotiated my salary. Edit: Thinking back to the conversation, I think I may have hosed up and said that the range she specified was acceptable or something to that effect. RIP. Although, 75K would essentially be doubling my income so I guess I would actually be fine with that range lol. Javes fucked around with this message at 22:08 on May 8, 2019 |
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May 8, 2019 21:44
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The question you have to ask as well is, is 75k appropriate for the position? Nothing like getting more money but if other qualified people are willing to do the job for 75k and you demand 80k you might be out of luck. I tried to hire a guy and had a good back up (he just had less experience). I could do 106k, he wouldn't budge off $120k. So I withdrew the offer and got the younger guy for 82k. I think you will be fine, especially if 75k is what you would have said without the recruiter saying a range and it is fair for the job.
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May 8, 2019 23:16
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Yeah the range she gave was a bit more than what was indicated on glassdoor for the specific position at the company and is right in line for the city I'm in according to glassdoor.
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May 9, 2019 00:03
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How big of a bridge am I burning if I leave almost immediately after converting to a permanent employee? A few weeks ago, I was bitching about this employer lowballing me by a lot, and an internal recruiter at Oracle just messaged me about their "Solution Consultant Academy" I don't know exactly what that is, other than it's a path to an actual job at a recognized company, but it's got to pay better than here and might actually teach me something useful.
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May 13, 2019 21:42
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Love LinkedIn solicitations for a position that AT BEST would pay me 10% less and be a step down.
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May 13, 2019 21:43
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I always think of Linkedin solicitations as being a shotgun blast to cover as many potentials as possible based on whatever criteria they input, ie totally irrelevant and best ignored anyway.
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May 13, 2019 21:58
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I reply to them all the time. One guy was looking for a senior engineer in Boston for....80k. I told him that no one will take this job. He did reply in a sad tone that the hiring company won't pay a real wage. I reply a lot of the time with, did you even read my current job?
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May 13, 2019 22:15
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Lol no they do not
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May 13, 2019 22:17
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What a coincidence, the Oracle message was from LinkedIn.
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May 13, 2019 22:21
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Simpsons Reference posted:How big of a bridge am I burning if I leave almost immediately after converting to a permanent employee? A few weeks ago, I was bitching about this employer lowballing me by a lot, and an internal recruiter at Oracle just messaged me about their "Solution Consultant Academy" This is tech support just in case you're wondering. "solution architects" and "solution engineering" is literally phone tech support.
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May 13, 2019 22:30
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spwrozek posted:I reply to them all the time.
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May 13, 2019 23:52
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"Please reply even if you aren't interested as we are tracking our efforts"
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May 14, 2019 00:24
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Gigi Galli posted:This is tech support just in case you're wondering. "solution architects" and "solution engineering" is literally phone tech support. Boo. Although poo poo, if they want to pay me a lot better to do phone tech support, so be it quote:Solution Consultant Academy Burlington, MA
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May 14, 2019 06:10
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Simpsons Reference posted:Boo.
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May 14, 2019 07:47
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Yeah I love these job descriptions where the first sentence is THIS IS NOT DIRECT SALES! and then the next 2-3 sentences are a precise summary of a direct sales role. "This is not sales!" is HR-ese for "this is sales, but you won't be paid remotely what competent salespeople are worth"
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May 14, 2019 17:23
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quote:An SC is what we refer to as “inside sales” but you won’t be pounding the pavement, looking for leads and cold-calling. Instead, you’ll be working with customers to select which products will be right for their business needs, performing demos of software and provide the inside perspective since you related to being in their functional “shoes”. You’re the closer! Sorry for making GBS threads up the thread since this isn't technically about negotiating. Still might take a look if it pays more. And it has benefits, at least.
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May 14, 2019 19:04
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Simpsons Reference posted:I feel more like Alec Baldwin already. In my area I've seen this referred to as "Sales Adjacent". You have the actual sales guys doing the cold calling, pitching, and selling, and you're along for the ride when it comes to demo the product. Your job is to then show them the product, always answer "yes" when a client asks "Can it do [X]?" and then tell the product guys to make it do [X] 
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May 14, 2019 21:36
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Fhqwhgads posted:In my area I've seen this referred to as "Sales Adjacent". You have the actual sales guys doing the cold calling, pitching, and selling, and you're along for the ride when it comes to demo the product. Your job is to then show them the product, always answer "yes" when a client asks "Can it do [X]?" and then tell the product guys to make it do [X] You're talking about a sales engineer role. Inside sales refers to one of two things in my experience. Either someone who does all the cold calls and doesn't see clients, or someone who responds to inbound inquiries and leads rather than doing any prospecting. It sounds like the second. Zauper fucked around with this message at 12:33 on May 15, 2019 |
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May 15, 2019 12:07
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Gigi Galli posted:This is tech support just in case you're wondering. "solution architects" and "solution engineering" is literally phone tech support. In my company we use solution architect and sales engineer interchangeably, but it refers to the technical expert who helps sales further down the road. Sales rep builds the deal and then when its time for the expert the SA comes in to answer the technical questions.
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May 15, 2019 15:27
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solution architects at my company actually do solution design and it architecture and are paid in the mid six figgies
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May 21, 2019 17:50
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Mad Wack posted:solution architects at my company actually do solution design and it architecture and are paid in the mid six figgies Does the "mid six figgies" imply $150k or 500k?
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May 21, 2019 19:35
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Does the "mid six figgies" imply $150k or 500k?
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May 21, 2019 20:04
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Figgies is a log scale, gonna throw ~316k into the ring as a valid interpretation here. (6 figgies = 10^(6-1), 7 figgies = 10^(7-1), so mid-6 is 10^(6.5 - 1) or 316k.) Yeah that's true - usually when I see people say this they mean "150k" which lol mid 6 figgies but I was hoping it was the latter or your equally valid interpretation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuErF0DLCl8
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May 21, 2019 20:53
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Yeah that's true - usually when I see people say this they mean "150k" which lol mid 6 figgies but I was hoping it was the latter or your equally valid interpretation. Here's my other one: *insert long rant about class signifiers and how which interpretation you see on average depends on whether you are lower upper middle class or middle lower upper class, huffs glue*
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May 21, 2019 22:02
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Income is a terrible marker of class. If laws apply to you, you're basically homeless.
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May 21, 2019 22:26
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shame on an IGA posted:Income is a terrible marker of class. If laws apply to you, you're basically homeless. But yeah, this whole thread/forum is likely full of "income/wealth uncorrelated"-type folks.
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May 21, 2019 22:35
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I fired my opening salvo on a raise this afternoon. As part of our weekly talks, I brought up the fact that I know what the gap is between my current pay and the pay of someone who does the job I'm now doing (my boss' job) is, and what are we going to do to address that? That's the cliff's notes version. I have a call with the bank President on Thursday as well, and he'll get the same spiel since he has the actual power and my MD is just an empty suit. Fhqwhgads fucked around with this message at 23:30 on May 21, 2019 |
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May 21, 2019 23:27
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Does the "mid six figgies" imply $150k or 500k? 150 base with 20-40% bonus depending on how well you negotiate plus stock
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May 22, 2019 01:36
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but yeah lol mid six figgies in my world means 150k
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May 22, 2019 01:36
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Was surprised to see that solution architect = tech support comment. Where is that notion from? Every other instance until now of solution architect I've heard it's been people who piece together various technologies to make a bigger thing work (e.g. how will you deploy your poo poo on AWS) and pays similar (probably better) to developers
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May 22, 2019 06:50
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Vehementi posted:Was surprised to see that solution architect = tech support comment. Where is that notion from? Every other instance until now of solution architect I've heard it's been people who piece together various technologies to make a bigger thing work (e.g. how will you deploy your poo poo on AWS) and pays similar (probably better) to developers
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May 22, 2019 13:35
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Vehementi posted:Was surprised to see that solution architect = tech support comment. Where is that notion from? Every other instance until now of solution architect I've heard it's been people who piece together various technologies to make a bigger thing work (e.g. how will you deploy your poo poo on AWS) and pays similar (probably better) to developers This is platform/infrastructure or performance engineering. I guess my blanket statement (unsurprisingly) was incorrect! In my limited experience “solution” in the title means you are solving someone’s urgent problem, which is tech support or some higher tier of tech support. Maybe it’s regional.
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May 22, 2019 15:43
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Hoodwinker posted:What you're describing sounds like devops. Devops is the people on the team actually doing work, importantly not just throwing code over a wall to "ops" people but rather being responsible for end to end service ownership. Solution Engineering is someone who isn't a developer basically coming over and doing architecture work saying "Okay, here's how all this poo poo can fit together to solve your business problem". It is definitely different from performance engineering (making sure poo poo scales) and infrastructure engineering (only worrying about the ... infrastructure part). Solution engineering is the whole picture, more broad than just software architecture. https://www.quora.com/What-does-a-solution-engineer-do
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May 23, 2019 04:08
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I have coming up what I think is a non standard negotiation situation coming up and I don't know how beat to handle it. I'm currently an academic librarian in a union. I've been here 6 years, just this semester was promoted to rank L3 (L4 is the highest you can go and there hasn't been one here in like 20 years), given regular appointment (a sort of tenure for librarians), and awarded 4 units of merit. All of this will raise my salary on July 1 to roughly $78k. Also happening this july is they want to move me into a managerial position. I agree that this needs to happen for my career goals and the growth of the department I lead. However, this means I have to leave the union and lose regular appointment. I don't know how to accurately value this stuff. This move is technically a promotion, but I have been warned that central HR isnt going to want to give me much of an additional bump due to the raises I will just be getting already. The only thing I know how to accurately quantify is my time. My librarian job is an exempt 35 hour a week position, while this new one will be 40. Bare minimum I figure I should get a bump for those 5 extra hours, which would bring me to $90k. The other stuff, no idea. How much is losing collective bargaining worth? What about quasi-tenure? I will have no guaranteed promotion path and no merit process. How do I value this all? I'm also worried they will low ball me and I have to either stick with my current job, which isnt ideal for my career or their plans, but I feel kind odlf stuck between a rock and a hard place there. I dont want to leave, and wouldn't do so immediately, but it would certainly open the door for that to be a possibility where this other move means, barring shenanigans or drastic changes down the road, I would be staying there for life. Thoughts? Edit: if it helps, my current classification has a pay range of $44690 to $86920. This new job's range is $53400 to $102800. No matter what I am restricted by that range. Yay for public universities and working for non-profits+ nesbit37 fucked around with this message at 17:19 on May 25, 2019 |
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What’d be the best way to handle an unsolicited recruiter for a job/company you’d love to work for but you really don’t want to relocate so chances of actually accepting are very low? It’s just a recruiter so still probably would be a longshot but I’m curious. Very unlikely I’d relocate though. Do folks go through with it just to keep interview skills sharp?
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