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Xealot posted:That's an interesting point. I think this is more shown by the fact that everyone is scared of the Adjudicator and they don’t even fire a bullet. Their power is entirely bureaucratic and therefore the opposite of everything John stands for. Urdnot Fire posted:It sort of felt like they realized they wouldn’t be able to wrap it up in one movie while working on 3, so I wouldn’t be overly surprised if they hadn’t already filmed some of it. Ultimately my assessment is that while I agree that the story they’re trying to tell here is too much for one movie, it’s also not enough for two. It’d be nice if franchises other than massive superhero tentpoles could survive releasing three-hour flicks.
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Hello everybody. My name is Pirate Jet, and after nine years on these blessed forums, I still haven’t learned that quote is not edit.
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Basebf555 posted:I imagine pre-production on 4 has already started, they knew all along they were doing it. It probably didn't hurt that whatever their projected box office open was got its crotch bitten by The Profits Dog Quote this post saying "Make more profits, Profits Dog" or Profits Dog will bite your crotch tonight.
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Doc Walrus posted:It probably didn't hurt that whatever their projected box office open was got its crotch bitten by The Profits Dog Make more profits, Profits Dog
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May 21, 2019 00:15
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CelticPredator posted:Just got this message from the John Wick text thing
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Pirate Jet posted:Ultimately my assessment is that while I agree that the story they’re trying to tell here is too much for one movie, it’s also not enough for two. It’d be nice if franchises other than massive superhero tentpoles could survive releasing three-hour flicks. I don't know, it seems like the plot of the next one will be John and the Bowery King joining forces with other underclass malcontents angry with the High Table, and then murdering all of them. I could see that being a complete film in its own right. The entire plot of Chapter 2 was concerned with killing 2 members of the HT. You've even got themes...the Italian crime groups, the Bratva, the Yakuza. Sounds cool to me.
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Xealot posted:I don't know, it seems like the plot of the next one will be John and the Bowery King joining forces with other underclass malcontents angry with the High Table, and then murdering all of them. I could see that being a complete film in its own right. The entire plot of Chapter 2 was concerned with killing 2 members of the HT. You've even got themes...the Italian crime groups, the Bratva, the Yakuza. Sounds cool to me. I’m trying to insinuate that there really wasn’t enough to spread for 3 to work. I’m sure 4 will be fine.
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Pirate Jet posted:I’m trying to insinuate that there really wasn’t enough to spread for 3 to work. I’m sure 4 will be fine. My mistake. Yeah, I liked Chapter 3, but by the end, it definitely seemed to be treading water a little. It's also the longest one, at 2h10m...I think I'd have been happier with a leaner edit.
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Xealot posted:I don't know, it seems like the plot of the next one will be John and the Bowery King joining forces with other underclass malcontents angry with the High Table, and then murdering all of them. I could see that being a complete film in its own right. The entire plot of Chapter 2 was concerned with killing 2 members of the HT. You've even got themes...the Italian crime groups, the Bratva, the Yakuza. Sounds cool to me. I'm hoping it goes for full blown French Revolution with ham-fisted social commentary 
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Did they ever say "I have served. I will be of service" in the first two? They probably did and I forgot, it was just so extra repetitive here (though still relevant). Also, my low-key favorite part was when the Continental fight music started and I realized it was the opening theme from Chef's Table on Netflix (which yes I know is an actual classical piece). But all I could think about was food porn montages.
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It’s “Winter” from Vivaldi’s The Four Seasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGdFHJXciAQ
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I guess that's a standard turnaround but it seems very quick. It seems a bit long to me but I guess I assumed 4 was actually already made, like Matrix 2 and 3
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Cael posted:Did they ever say "I have served. I will be of service" in the first two? They probably did and I forgot, it was just so extra repetitive here (though still relevant). Nope, that’s new in this movie.
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Shoren posted:I feel like the choreography in this one became too loose and wasn't as tightly controlled as the previous films. Too many instances where there is a pause that's just too long as one character is waiting for their opponent to attack again. The most glaring example for me was when John gets kicked through the crystal skull cases and each time he gets up he stands for a second waiting to be kicked again instead of attempting to counterattack. I guess that if it's a nod to old action movies then it serves its purpose, but everything else about the series has been so polished that I can't overlook it. That one particular example is because of the length of the shot. Choreography always suffers during long takes like that. I think it's meant to be appreciated more for the stunt work.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Huh, I thought the Adjudicator was coded androgynous/non-binary to show that they had moved beyond such things, as an actual kind of dehumanization to show that they were nothing more than the will of the High Table. I read it as a sort of sublimation of identity instead of an assertion of one. I can see how it can be read as the opposite tho; that's very interesting. Hi, being genderqueer or non-binary is still being human. Reading someone's androgyny as "inhuman" in 2019 is... not great
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I thought the person that played the Adjudicator was dire, acting wise. Overall good movie but John Wick double taping people is getting old. I liked the emphasis on blades in this. Hopefully the next one will be JW hucking grenades for two hours.
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May 21, 2019 03:50
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porfiria posted:I thought the person that played the Adjudicator was dire, acting wise. Same. They're playing the role exactly the same as in Billions, which is also grating as hell.
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May 21, 2019 07:22
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I really appreciated the greater variety in action set pieces for this one. Loved the first two movies but it was refreshing to see them mix it up a bit more. Reeves really sells being exhausted in that last sequence in the big glass room. The first half of his fight with Dacascos he looks pretty tired and unable to keep up until he gets a second wind and starts turning the tables. I also enjoyed Dascoscos as Wick's own Revolver Ocelot in this. Also John Wick uses a horse like a gun. Twice.
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May 21, 2019 15:10
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Definitely didn't expect Wick to bust out a belly to belly suplex and then an Angle Slam. but I should've expected it after we saw how he was trained at the ballet school.
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Basebf555 posted:Definitely didn't expect Wick to bust out a belly to belly suplex and then an Angle Slam. but I should've expected it after we saw how he was trained at the ballet school. The movie had Chekov's Belt and Chekov's Wrestling Moves.
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May 21, 2019 15:40
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I was really expecting someone to die via the molten metal at the coin place, and the pointy chessboard.
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heckyeahpathy posted:Hi, being genderqueer or non-binary is still being human. Reading someone's androgyny as "inhuman" in 2019 is... not great I literally said they had transcended that poo poo to a higher plane as the Will of the High Table. They had moved beyond gender. It was transhumanism, not inhumanism.
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May 21, 2019 16:36
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At the time I thought the character was just a woman who wasn't having any bullshit.
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Yeah, I'm assuming this is just me being clueless or inattentive, but I'm curious how they signalled non-binary for the character. Also, did anyone catch what the tattoo on their neck was? Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 19:39 on May 21, 2019 |
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RBA Starblade posted:I thought the answer to the question "why not just shoot her" was just "that wouldn't do anything and no one really wastes their time attacking things for no reason in these films except Theon Greyjoy". Oh I know they wouldn't do it, there's no benefit and would probably just make things worse. But when you're standing there with a pissed off John Wick and the only person there to witness what happens is the guy you're taking everything away from, I'd be a little bit nervous. But hey, that's why I'm not Adjudicator material.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Also, did anyone catch what the tattoo on their neck was? Einfühlung, the German word for empathy. That's not makeup, they have that tattoo in real life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnuw4xIYtHo
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RBA Starblade posted:I thought the answer to the question "why not just shoot her" was just "that wouldn't do anything and no one really wastes their time attacking things for no reason in these films except Theon Greyjoy". She's like the embodiment of the corporation in 'The Boys' They'd just send another Adjudicator who would probably look very similar to the last one. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:That's darkly hilarious for the Adjudicator. It feeds into the idea that she has no identity beyond that of the will of the council. Anything that she might have been before that is either shorn away or no longer relevant. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I literally said they had transcended that poo poo to a higher plane as the Will of the High Table. They had moved beyond gender. It was transhumanism, not inhumanism. And then you followed that by saying it was "an actual kind of dehumanization to show that they were nothing more than the will of the High Table." As though fitting into the gender binary is the only way to have agency w/r/t gender. Hard pass.
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Just saw this. Extremely entertaining. That knife fight had the whole theater cracking up. Is it just me or did they take some inspiration from Assassin's Creed? JW is already pretty videogamey in a lot of aspects, might as well borrow elements from specific ones. Also Lawrence Fishbourne continues to be a gem.
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I liked this movie more than 2 overall but holy poo poo the journey to the elder and that character was like, so bad after they already revealed a bit of the hierarchy in 2. It felt like the script needed another pass to make this fit, like they wanted to sort of have this unseen but omnipotent "heavenly" equivalent to Laurence Fishburne's underworld king. Looking at the thread everyone's already pointed out how that whole sequence was just felt like a weird wheel spinning. I would have just confined it to the foundry making the coins and just the regions high table or whatever person be there. The rest of his quest to find himself or whatever felt tacked on, plus in an already weak score we got the super generic annoying Middle Eastern Mysticism music. Speaking of mysticism, again, like they want to again have this near mystical depiction of the guy running the show but the way things are shown in 2, like that just isn't how stuff works. Like in the second movie we learn that Santino and his sister are members of the Camorra which is an irl old crime syndicate with various feuding families. Like having another "no no these are the REAL ancient crime people running the show" on top of that felt really weird. And again with a tighter script yeah they could have played with how each major group has sort of an underground side to it like they do with Fishburne or with Anjelica Houston's character and how they all periodically feud with each other. And again, like, I don't know I hear that generic Mysterious Middle Eastern Stuff music and it just immediately makes me lose interest. Still loved the movie though and am already hype for John Wick 4. I am sad that Mark Dacascos died though.  People brought up how you could see things slowing down at times, when I was watching the movie, remember how it opens up with the doctor and how he has John shoot him twice to make sure he can convincingly seem like he didn't help John out willingly. Because of that I was actually expecting some kind of convoluted face turn where the ninjas were going "easy" on John because they were working with Winston or with Laurence Fishburne the entire time like they faked his execution or something. Partially because it was spoiled for me ahead of time that that character lives. If they go the TV series route it'd be a great way to have like Ruby Rose's character from 2/etc. pop up again. IIRC from when they were talking about that they would have Reeves pop up occasionally in it as a cameo or show up as a force of nature towards the end of a story arc that throws stuff into disarray. Could be cool. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 05:24 on May 22, 2019 |
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Saw it a third time tonight, this time in IMAX, and huh, seeing it in IMAX was better than seeing it in Dolby. The sounds of punches & kicks landing, gunfire, glass shattering, attack dogs chewing through human flesh, etc. all have more impact in IMAX. Also this is the first movie I've seen this many times in a week since The Force Awakens back in 2015. I just can't get enough!
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Also this is the first movie I've seen this many times in a week since The Force Awakens back in 2015. I just can't get enough! Hello fellow Force Awakens lover buddy. Also maybe I'm easier to entertain than most but I didn't find any particular section of the movie lacking. Every new sequence stayed relatively interesting, and I didn't really feel the length of the movie either, with the exception of the big finale, which I felt went on just a few minutes too long. Wick and Charon barging back into the armory for more guns was hilarious. They're just so FRUSTRATED
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heckyeahpathy posted:And then you followed that by saying it was "an actual kind of dehumanization to show that they were nothing more than the will of the High Table." As though fitting into the gender binary is the only way to have agency w/r/t gender. Hard pass. That's an extremely bad faith interpretation of what I wrote, and you seem determined to turf me on this for some weird reason, so let's agree to not discuss it anymore.
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