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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Endless Mike posted:

Here you go.



John Titor came back to complain about comics.

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fritz
Jul 26, 2003

In other news, there's renewed Ava's Demon drama : https://twitter.com/avasdemon/status/1129500833824034819

I think my favorite take is 'it's ok for the artist to draw underage characters loving because they're her OC' such as in :
https://twitter.com/rush1feru/status/1129516287821045760

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Finding out Ava's Demon is drawn by a sex pervert is the least surprising news since finding out John K. is a creep.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


My understanding was that it wasn't underage because they were aged up. Which, granted, can be a weird gray area but it isn't quite the same wheelhouse as kiddie porn.

Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Puppy Time posted:

My understanding was that it wasn't underage because they were aged up. Which, granted, can be a weird gray area but it isn't quite the same wheelhouse as kiddie porn.

Aged up as in “their bodies grew older”? That’s still pedophilia by another name. It’s taking advantage of someone mentally and emotionally less developed than that which legal majority requires. This is why you can be charged with rape/sexual assault for having sex with an adult Downs patients (if you have a prosecutor who actually cares).

If it’s “everything about me ages”/“my planet orbits faster so I’m actually 297 Earth years old”, that’s just a lampshade.

I can only think of a single possible comic example of this and I might be wrong about it, but someone like Kes from Voyager, whose race lived a “normal human lifespan” in a decade, ehh, maybe I could buy a “2 year old” is legal and possibly able to meaningfully consent (well, not Kes herself).

IIRC Arisa started at #1, went to #2, and I think ended at #3 all in an attempt to ensure Hal Jordan didn’t need to take a seat over there

:aatrek:

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Admiralty Flag posted:

Aged up as in “their bodies grew older”? That’s still pedophilia by another name. It’s taking advantage of someone mentally and emotionally less developed than that which legal majority requires. This is why you can be charged with rape/sexual assault for having sex with an adult Downs patients (if you have a prosecutor who actually cares).

If it’s “everything about me ages”/“my planet orbits faster so I’m actually 297 Earth years old”, that’s just a lampshade.

I can only think of a single possible comic example of this and I might be wrong about it, but someone like Kes from Voyager, whose race lived a “normal human lifespan” in a decade, ehh, maybe I could buy a “2 year old” is legal and possibly able to meaningfully consent (well, not Kes herself).

IIRC Arisa started at #1, went to #2, and I think ended at #3 all in an attempt to ensure Hal Jordan didn’t need to take a seat over there

:aatrek:

"Aged up" as in "We're setting this in the future where all characters involved are adults." Like, I don't know the full context, but from what I've read, it looks like the porn in question was a bonus thing not meant to be part of the continuity, and then spun as "Look at this artist posting underage porn!" by a weird person mad over their ship being sunk, who then walked it back after porn of their chosen ship happened.

I'll leave it to people with a dog in this fight whether this particular form of "aged up" counts as questionable.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
The characters were aged up to "barely legal" levels and the only impact that really had on their designs (as far as I've seen it described) was the girls had bigger breasts.

The art was never drawn by her, but was done as an incentive tier on her patreon, so she did directly benefit from *wink nudge* aged up NSFW art of her teenage comic characters.

It's not illegal but it's a pretty weird and exploitative.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Unless someone has seen the work in question, I'm not especially invested in pursuing whether the creator of a comic I haven't read did or did not sufficiently draw a young character as a fuckable adult. Particularly if there's nothing really creepy in the comic itself. :shrug:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
You, uh, just did for three posts.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Discendo Vox posted:

You, uh, just did for three posts.

And now I am stopping? I wanted to contribute stuff I'd heard that wasn't really in line with what was being said, but I don't see much fertile discussion in "None of us has seen the original and we're all relying on secondhand info."

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
I mean sure, if you won't pollute your google searches I won't blame you.

Here's an archive of one of the call out posts with (censored but still :nws:) examples of the art:

http://archive.is/w1T8D

The art in these is the "aged up" versions of the characters. If I remember right, the first image was something the creator herself did as a pinup of one of the characters at 19 years old. The later images are her colorist who maintains the 18+ tier.

At the time, the comic's creator put out a $500.00 bounty for the IP address and other personal info of a group of people who leaked the images above. One of the people she had the bounty on posted the context of the tweet and email chain that the artist called harassing/stalking, too:

http://archive.is/WsCZL

Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 00:31 on May 21, 2019

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
im seeing tweets that a colorist died from not being able to afford healthcare but i havent seen who it was yet

site fucked around with this message at 19:47 on May 21, 2019

Minister of Sound
Jan 1, 2007

Damn, I wish I was your lett'rer!
Justin Ponsor. One of the greats.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


https://twitter.com/StillSashaBear/status/1130665790045282304

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
That seems cool and totally normal and not at all horrifying

Rip Justin

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

site posted:

That seems cool and totally normal and not at all horrifying

Rip Justin

It also seems like a really good way to keep your mind off the fact that you're in the hospital with cancer, but that doesn't take away from the fact that comics people need a union.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Just a reminder that Disney owns Marvel and Warner Bros owns DC.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!
https://twitter.com/avram/status/1130951555136598018?s=21

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Lord King Edgelord being all handwringy about people throwing milkshakes is the funniest thing.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Good job, Mark. Be all about the :decorum:

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


This is the face I make when I respectfully ask you not to throw milkshakes

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Extremely not surprised millar is saying that but it doesn't make it any less funny to actually see him say it

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Retro Futurist posted:

This is the face I make when I respectfully ask you not to throw milkshakes

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!



Magnifique

Scuba Trooper
Feb 25, 2006


Oh my god

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Lol

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Civil War comes to mind as the most embarrassing and salient example of Millar's whole schtick that actual political action is dangerous and naive. He likes the razzle-dazzle and spectacle of asking "what if superheroes actually tried to fix systemic problems in the world," but how often does he have them decide they were wrong, or wind up as tyrants and monsters? His whole thing is reactionary-- "the world's nastiness and brutality is fixed, so just wallow in it."

I was thinking earlier today about how a lot of the transgressive sort of shock comics of the last 30-40 years have had a similar conservative bent, that was covered up to varying degrees by the frisson of stylistic excess and "rawness". Johnny Ryan was largely who I had in mind, but like, also how Peter Bagge's turn towards a more vocal and corny libertarianism was never surprising, and how Fantagraphics collected a comic by loving Jim Goad.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Millar also thinks child rape and prison rape are the funniest loving things ever.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Millar also thinks child rape and prison rape are the funniest loving things ever.

:wtc:

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007


https://medium.com/@seantucker_21415/mark-millar-licks-goats-a-read-through-of-the-unfunnies-c22a759909cb

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013


https://twitter.com/nearit/status/1130915422692360192

:thunk:

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004



God, what a pathetic attempt to be edgy.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

"Shi" creator Billy Tucci is kind of a centrist dimwit, in case you were wondering.

https://twitter.com/BillyTucci/status/1131042974895362048

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

What’s the over/under on “Millar licks goats” being an actual insult versus a friendly jab?

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

Dawgstar posted:

"Shi" creator Billy Tucci is kind of a centrist dimwit, in case you were wondering.

https://twitter.com/BillyTucci/status/1131042974895362048

He showed up in Neal Adams’ thread claiming to be a blacklisted conservative and I have been wondering where the hell he got that from. He seems to be a total dipshit.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

I've been into comics pretty much my entire life and I've never seen a single issue of Shi, nor have I ever met anyone that has actually bought or even read it. I remember there being a bunch of ads for it in Wizard. I think I ended up assuming it was vaporware.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
Billy Tucci, definitely just a reasonable centrist!

http://comicsbulletin.com/five-manly-questions-with-billy-tucci/

quote:

Beau: What annoyin’ celebrity would ya like to smack in the head with a shovel?
>Billy: That’s an easy one, Beau. Barbara Streisand. But to be honest, (and since I’m a power hitter.) I’d probably kill the stupid bitch. That wouldn’t be such a good thing, because more and more folks are realizin’ just how silly, simple and retarded the big nosed whore really is. I’d also like to hit that fat dickhead, Michael Moore a couple of times too.

He also literally produced a propaganda comic for Blackwater.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013


:stare:

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


What could Streisand have done to piss him off that much? Also:

Dawgstar posted:

"Shi" creator Billy Tucci is kind of a centrist dimwit, in case you were wondering.

https://twitter.com/BillyTucci/status/1131042974895362048

That Ro fella is more of a bullhorn that a dogwhistle.

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Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

bessantj posted:

What could Streisand have done to piss him off that much?
It was 2004, and she'd been a Famous Celebrity Democrat Supporter for decades at that point. She did anti-racism concerts with Harry Belafonte in the 1960s, supported [insert thing that asks women to be treated as humans/equals] for forty years, made it onto Nixon's Enemies list, etc. She'd been critical of the Bush administration but not more than a hundred other famous people, though she also committed the unique crimes of being successful singing songs that aren't for REAL MEN, she's got a BIG NOSE that definitely isn't symbolic of anything deeper, and also she's a woman over 40 and so she isn't even fuckable by Billy Tucci's standards (the next question in that Q&A is about who he finds the most fuckable).

So in other words, a perfect target for some ha ha fantasies about murdering famous liberals.

quote:

That Ro fella is more of a bullhorn that a dogwhistle.
Even amongst Comicsgaters his online persona is psychotic.

https://twitter.com/RoKabir/status/1035880089618132993

https://twitter.com/RoKabir/status/958206342241705987

https://twitter.com/RoKabir/status/1067767714658377729

https://twitter.com/RoKabir/status/1037563835077550080

Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 14:55 on May 22, 2019

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