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hawowanlawow posted:It's out of character for brienne, not Sansa. She was literally already a queens guard for Sansa, someone she had also already swarn to protect. Why would she jump ship other than so they can show her writing Jamie's part in the book? It wouldn't be at all out of character though if Sansa said 'oi have fousands of norfmen profecting me, you will stay and profect my brofer' But they didn't show it because the two show runners wanted to piss off, and I guess they're the only two show runners on earth, so that's just one of 1,000 scenes we may need to imagine
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im a haeraldrist (a person who studies heraldry professionaly) and through the examination of heraldry i can d efinitively say that bran should be king
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May 22, 2019 20:15
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Hmm yes as u can see the passant gardant goat argent on a fess sable bounding three brown bezant means Branken king forever.
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May 22, 2019 20:20
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Bran was going to be king cause it said so in the script. The same script Bran read so he knew he had to go down to kings landing to be made king. He even comments about it in the episode. This isn't complicated.
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May 22, 2019 20:22
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Glenn Quebec posted:Hmm yes as u can see the passant gardant goat argent on a fess sable bounding three brown bezant means Branken king forever. no ring, 3/10
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May 22, 2019 20:22
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Supreme Allah posted:It wouldn't be at all out of character though if Sansa said 'oi have fousands of norfmen profecting me, you will stay and profect my brofer' Yeah that's what I'm saying, the show runners just decided they wanted to do a callback about the Knight book and made it happen even though there's no reason for brienne to leave Sansa's service. Honestly it'd be pretty baller if the first female Knight was also the founder of the Norths kingsguard but whatever gently caress it she still likes Jamie for some reason
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May 22, 2019 20:22
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He made her nut
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May 22, 2019 20:27
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Typo posted:There's lots of instances in history where you have two competing separate claims on the same country sometimes even through different thrones Yeah, I have no clue why Gendry's lineage hasn't been more important ever since he surfaced again in season 7, but no one ever brings it up for some reason except that one-off scene where Dany legitimizes him. Gendry, Jon, and other nobles fighting over the throne after Dany's death, along with the general fallout and massive shifts of the realm after a war, could have been an entire season in of itself. But nope, that's too compelling and we gotta turn this poo poo into boring CG action set pieces for idiots.
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May 22, 2019 20:27
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Maybe the point of having multiple contenders is so you don’t know who’s gonna win the dumb show
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May 22, 2019 20:33
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ethanol posted:Maybe the point of having multiple contenders is so you don’t know who’s gonna win the dumb show Unnecessary if you're just gonna make it up as you go and/or intentionally subvert reddit's predictions regardless of what you've set up.
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May 22, 2019 20:36
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Why does Bran have a claim on the iron throne  eh! He tells a good story! In our world, this makes Stephen Spielberg the most fit to be president
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May 22, 2019 20:36
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Poor nuncle, thought of neeps and died
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May 22, 2019 20:37
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Zzulu posted:Overall GOT was good because: Just replace the entire show with this video, followed by the pic of Khal Drogo slamming Dany, but the faces are swapped. E: this one https://imgur.com/GRpYv9p redgubbinz fucked around with this message at 20:46 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 20:39
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Yeah, I have no clue why Gendry's lineage hasn't been more important ever since he surfaced again in season 7, but no one ever brings it up for some reason except that one-off scene where Dany legitimizes him. Gendry, Jon, and other nobles fighting over the throne after Dany's death, along with the general fallout and massive shifts of the realm after a war, could have been an entire season in of itself. But nope, that's too compelling and we gotta turn this poo poo into boring CG action set pieces for idiots. If you recongnize the legitimacy of Danaerys' claim, the Baratheons claim is illegitimate. Gendry has no legitimate claim to the throne in that case and is not a part of the line of succession, except maybe where the Baratheons would have come down prior to Robert's Rebellion. If Jon's claim is invalidated by his queenslaying then the line of succession would go back to the most recent branch of the Targaryen family tree that is still extant. That could be an intermarriage with the Starks, we aren't sure. But in any case, I doubt the Lords of Westeros would feel beholden to anyone unless they were very powerful. Bran's claim is probably that he is the eldest living son of the most powerful house in Westeros.
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May 22, 2019 20:54
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sweet geek swag posted:If you recongnize the legitimacy of Danaerys' claim, the Baratheons claim is illegitimate. Gendry has no legitimate claim to the throne in that case and is not a part of the line of succession, except maybe where the Baratheons would have come down prior to Robert's Rebellion. Gendry is the closest surviving Targaryen blooded person after Jon Snow As in if you trace the Targaryen line of succession: Gendry is on there now he's legitimaized
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May 22, 2019 20:55
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superjew posted:Another thing I thought might matter, when they showed the spiral of body parts and then showed the top down shot of the NK being made I said "oh, the spiral is opposite handed now, there's a clue there" and no, DnD probably just saw a mirrored shot and copied it without checking because they are too busy reading reddit. lol they probably caught up on the previous seasons with youtube "best of's" that flip scenes to avoid copyright detection
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May 22, 2019 20:57
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anyway less line of succession and more bad pussy plz
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May 22, 2019 20:58
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How about some miner dick
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May 22, 2019 21:01
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ethanol posted:How about some miner dick As long as that's how you're spelling it, sure.
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sweet geek swag posted:If you recongnize the legitimacy of Danaerys' claim, the Baratheons claim is illegitimate. Gendry has no legitimate claim to the throne in that case and is not a part of the line of succession, except maybe where the Baratheons would have come down prior to Robert's Rebellion. Gendry is Dany's only living relative besides Jon and is literally the only surviving member of the "most recent branch" of the Targaryen family tree in existence. Bran has as much claim to the throne as Tyrion or the unnamed prince of Dorne, meaning none at all except for armies to enforce his rule.
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May 22, 2019 21:06
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show is over, lock thread.
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ethanol posted:How about some miner dick You want the good reactor, but you need the radioactive dick.
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May 22, 2019 21:08
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Typo posted:Gendry is the closest surviving Targaryen blooded person after Jon Snow Right, the Baratheons are the cadet line for the Targaryens, which is a big part of why Robert (Well, Stannis really, but that's another thing) was the person around whom a rebellion could happen.
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May 22, 2019 21:10
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Typo posted:Gendry is the closest surviving Targaryen blooded person after Jon Snow Typo posted:anyway less line of succession and more bad pussy plz Tyrion is a surviving Lannister, and if he says Cersei was usurped and Dany was illegitimate, he has a claim. Lysa Arryn was married to Jon, who was adoptive father to Ned and Robert... you could say Robyn has a claim in Robert's lineage. Ned was legitimately named Regent by Robert, and his sister was married to the heir. All of his kids have a claim. Basically everyone at the final meeting can squint their eyes and make a claim if the cherry pick which ruler they're related to. It comes down to backing your claim with a carrot or a stick like Dany did and Jon didn't.
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A bunch of dothraki with flaming swords charge into a dark cave. We see their fires go out and moments later a horde of naked, coal-stained miners come charging out wielding pickaxes and shovels.
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May 22, 2019 21:15
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Infinite Karma posted:Bad pussy was only a character because her aunt was crown princess of the Targaryens, so the Martells have a claim to the throne there. quote:Tyrion is a surviving Lannister, and if he says Cersei was usurped and Dany was illegitimate, he has a claim. Lysa Arryn was married to Jon, who was adoptive father to Ned and Robert... you could say Robyn has a claim in Robert's lineage. Ned was legitimately named Regent by Robert, and his sister was married to the heir. All of his kids have a claim. Basically everyone at the final meeting can squint their eyes and make a claim if the cherry pick which ruler they're related to. This isn't how it works quote:It comes down to backing your claim with a carrot or a stick like Dany did and Jon didn't.
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May 22, 2019 21:15
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Thread has become Game Mechanics of Thrones. How is claim formed?
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etalian posted:show is over, lock thread. i think that would be for the best
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Moreover if Gendry's a de-legitimized son again (because Dany's rule is invalidated).... ...then why is he invited to the tiny meeting of all the most important nobles and lords in the world to decide the fate of the kingdom, as if they think he's obviously the head of a great house Either he's legit or he's not
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Kak posted:i think that would be for the best Also gas any new Game of Throne subject threads.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Moreover if Gendry's a de-legitimized son again (because Dany's rule is invalidated).... well it's being like 3 weeks at least so maybe in the mean time he's convinced enough of robert's storm lords to accept him as the lord of the stormlands
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*Show has a scene which makes it very unambiguous that they are choosing a king by way of an elector system instead of succession based* *Goons argue about who should have been king based on succession claim* Me: not sure if they're just arguing an irrelevant point for no reason, or if Season 8 of D&D's masterpiece show was just too intricate and complex for these Medieval Succession Law experts to follow.
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redgubbinz posted:Just replace the entire show with this video, followed by the pic of Khal Drogo slamming Dany, but the faces are swapped. The Hound and Arya's adventures in the hosed over Riverlands was one of the best parts of the series.
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Cersei's claim, after Tommen died, is pretty much nonexistent, based strictly on force. So there's a case that she represents another dynastic shift, and if so Tyrion gets a claim to that line, so I guess it makes sense that he got the chance to turn it down.
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May 22, 2019 21:24
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Typo posted:You out of all people should realize that systems of government have ideological justifications for whoever is in power: you can argue it's just a shadow on the wall, but the shadow on the wall matters
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May 22, 2019 21:25
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Whimper is coming
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Infinite Karma posted:The basis in the show has always been "might makes right", with a few layers of loose rules/guidelines to let bureaucracy and tradition take over when it's in the interest of the ones with might. But "I'm the King and we're playing Calvinball when I say so" is the rule that trumps everything else. Except at the end of GoT tv show, no one house holds enough "might" to make "right" and impose the candidate of their choice on the throne, certainly not the Starks ofc politics is easy when you control all the guns and just impose your will, but the attractive aspects of the show is exactly how to navigate feudal politics when you don't, in which case things like legitimacy and ideology start mattering a lot
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sweet thursday posted:Whimper is coming Stick em with the dissappointy end
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Thranguy posted:Right, the Baratheons are the cadet line for the Targaryens, which is a big part of why Robert (Well, Stannis really, but that's another thing) was the person around whom a rebellion could happen. They aren't a cadet branch. They're descendants of one of Aegon's closest companions and the only daughter of the last Storm King. Later on they became related to the Targaryens through marriage (I think some Targaryen lady is Robert's grandmother). Robert was the only one of the rebels with anything resembling a legal claim to the throne, hence why they made him the king when they actually ended up winning, but the rebellion happening had pretty much nothing to do with this.
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Robert says at some point he wished they would have made ned king. And he wasnt being flippant
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