|
One of the terrible Rama sequels did something similar where child characters were put in suspended animation but somehow when they woke up they had adult bodies. And then one of them started having sex with actual adults.
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 10:13
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 21, 2024 10:04 |
|
|
muscles like this! posted:One of the terrible Rama sequels did something similar where child characters were put in suspended animation but somehow when they woke up they had adult bodies. And then one of them started having sex with actual adults. I will never forget the scene with beads and the mystery genital powder.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 13:12
|
|
|
muscles like this! posted:One of the terrible Rama sequels did something similar where child characters were put in suspended animation but somehow when they woke up they had adult bodies. And then one of them started having sex with actual adults. These books literally were the inspiration for this thread. gently caress Gentry Lee.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 13:15
|
|
|
The_White_Crane posted:I will never forget the scene with beads and the mystery genital powder.  There’s a group that’s breaking down The Mists of Avalon; never read that series nor gotten into the reviews (das sporking does ridiculous indepth work, with the community founder spending 6+ years breaking down Twilight) but apparently Marion Zimmer-Bradley was a pedophilia apologist who covered up abuse by her husband and just wrote a lot of NOPE that influenced a lot of fantasy work going forward. Every time terrible books get on the subject of super-creepy relationships I wonder how much this series influenced/upheld an already hosed up power structure in fantasy and pagan lit circles.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 15:29
|
|
|
SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:
It's come to light recently that she was a direct abuser and child rapist herself, so yeah it was even worse than what people already knew.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 15:41
|
|
|
Lemniscate Blue posted:It's come to light recently that she was a direct abuser and child rapist herself, so yeah it was even worse than what people already knew. Now that they’re both gone doesn’t the estate donate all proceeds to help victims of abuse? Though I haven’t read the books so I can’t say if they’re remotely worth reading but at least something good is done with the money
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 16:01
|
|
|
I remember enjoying her books when I read them, but they are very much capital F "Feminist" books, and ready back through them with the knowledge that the author was raping her own daughter would be unpleasant.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 16:37
|
|
|
Zimmer Bradley and Piers Anthony were a couple of my “devoured everything by them I could get my hands on as a kid/teen” and now I’m upset that I have neurons and poo poo wasted on remembering the things they wrote. I’m sure Piers has come up itt before, but I distinctly remember getting so weirded out by the way he addressed one particular “Ligeia” that I never read anything else by him. That was before I saw any of the myriad articles dedicated to combing through all his pedophile apologia and misogyny.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 18:51
|
|
|
I've discussed my hatelove for David Eddings before but the further we sink into hellworld the more skeeved out I get by his constant, shoehorned middle-aged man/teenaged girl romances also the extremely 10,000 Year Old Goddess Loli that "claims" a teenage boy at age seven or so, but he's never overtly sexual about it. he's an old white dude sex weird but at least he's not the horribly gross kind e: was. he is dead.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 20:00
|
|
|
Tamora Pierce had a real thing for her protagonists loving/marrying their hot older teachers. Song of the Lioness has Alana (girl who goes undercover as a boy to become a knight) who is a girl who ends up as the squire to the Prince and gets in a relationship with him at like 15 when he finds out she's a girl. Later she ends up marrying a dude 10ish years older than her who operated as a mentor figure and helped her sort her poo poo out before that point. Then in the Immortals series which follows it she had her young teen protagonist hook up with her 30-something year old magic teacher. Then she had Alana's daughter marry a raven who turned himself human so they could gently caress. man those books got weird.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 21:00
|
|
|
Peter F. Hamilton is also pretty big on kind of uncomfortable age-gap romances.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 21:07
|
|
|
So it sounds like Sir Terry Pratchett was just about the only modern fantasy author who didn't have weird or just outright awful sex stuff in his books.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 22:14
|
|
|
Zore posted:Tamora Pierce had a real thing for her protagonists loving/marrying their hot older teachers. Lackey dabbled in it, too, in the early series. This is why I think it's a trope because like Peirce, it's something she dropped completely in later books and even repudiated a bit. Was Lois Mcmaster Bujold ever into that, or does she remain the most reputable of 80's-90's lady fantasy authors?
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 22:31
|
|
|
there wolf posted:Lackey dabbled in it, too, in the early series. This is why I think it's a trope because like Peirce, it's something she dropped completely in later books and even repudiated a bit. Was Lois Mcmaster Bujold ever into that, or does she remain the most reputable of 80's-90's lady fantasy authors? Bujold has some reasonably large age-gaps, but only between adults as far as I know.
|
|
#
?
May 23, 2019 22:34
|
|
|
TheKennedys posted:I've discussed my hatelove for David Eddings before but the further we sink into hellworld the more skeeved out I get by his constant, shoehorned middle-aged man/teenaged girl romances (Still reread the Elenium from time to time though. Sparhawk and Ehlana's relationship is creepy but it's still mostly a fun yarn.)
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 00:07
|
|
|
there wolf posted:Lackey dabbled in it, too, in the early series. This is why I think it's a trope because like Peirce, it's something she dropped completely in later books and even repudiated a bit. Was Lois Mcmaster Bujold ever into that, or does she remain the most reputable of 80's-90's lady fantasy authors? Julian May always stood out for me in that bracket for having a huge range of character relationships in the Exiles/Milieu books - while there were a lot of hosed up things they were generally well-contrasted against a range of healthy adult relationships. Now that I think of it though in retrospect it's a bit hosed that both of the major psychic antagonists (Felice and Fury) were victims of child abuse and implied that that triggered psychosis in each case. Also the Gi were bird-aliens covered in dangly genitals and breasts, but she manages to avoid describing them in a way that points that out unless you're paying attention. I sometimes wish someone had picked up the books for filming without noticing that in advance.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 00:29
|
|
|
Darth Walrus posted:Bujold has some reasonably large age-gaps, but only between adults as far as I know. There's Taura from the Vorkosigan books.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 00:39
|
|
|
Anyone every read Maggie Furey? Specifically the Artefacts of Power series? It starts with the main character Aurian as a child living in some blasted wilderness being ignored by her mother, and some old friend of her father's comes around to check on her and basically takes over as her guardian. At some point he has to leave and years later she goes to the big city to train as a wizard, meets him again, and they eventually start a passionate love affair of course. She gets pregnant and he dies, and then there's a point where his spirit is hovering around trying to protect her, and gets an offer from a god of some sort that if he'l just pass on he could be reincarnated, maybe even as his own child. I think that's the point I just started skimming to get to the end.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 01:19
|
|
|
Tim Powers' book On Stranger Tides has a marriage between two consenting adults of approximately equal age and it sucks that it made me like  aw look it's not terrible
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 01:27
|
|
|
On the subject of bad romance, here's something somebody posted to the Deviantart thread that also belongs here: https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/9757a1_8b7166541a084d5ebe957b896cdc8132.pdf An erotica/romance press is suing another erotica/romance press after an elaborate slander/take-down campaign claiming that Press A's "omegaverse" series was plagiarizing Press B's. Both books are about a huge "alpha" military man raping a tender, empathic "omega" woman into loving him, complete with heats and dog cocks and poo poo-tons of crazy  . The plagiarism complaints were spurious, but both books look loving awful.EDIT: If you're not feeling like reading about dog-dick rape porn today, I don't blame you, but I still suggest you scroll down to the writing samples used as "evidence" for plagiarism, every one of which is a generic garbage cliche. So original! Antivehicular has a new favorite as of 01:51 on May 24, 2019 |
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 01:47
|
|
|
Beardless posted:So it sounds like Sir Terry Pratchett was just about the only modern fantasy author who didn't have weird or just outright awful sex stuff in his books. Awful sex stuff sells, it seems. I guess I was spared most of it because I only read Susan Cooper, Ursula LeGuin, and the first five Eddingses as a kid. (Oh and Narnia but I can't remember a loving thing about them.) After that I didn't really read any fairy tale poo poo before running into Pratchett years later. 3D Megadoodoo has a new favorite as of 02:09 on May 24, 2019 |
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 02:06
|
|
|
On the subject of creepy old dudes writing about creepy old dudes (trying and failing at) hooking up with younger women, Moby's new memoir just came out.quote:The Guardian reports that Moby writes about his relationship with Natalie Portman, back when he says she was 20 and he 33, writing that they “kissed under the centuries-old oak trees” and slept next to each other in her Harvard dorm room. “For a few weeks I had tried to be Natalie’s boyfriend, but it hadn’t worked out,” he writes. Thanks for letting us know, Moby, really. I'm guessing this one will be a gold mine for this thread.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 04:19
|
|
|
Who the gently caress wanted Moby to write a memoir anyway? Who the gently caress even remembered Moby before this book came out? Apart from the women he's skeeved out, I mean.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 05:48
|
|
|
Never underestimate the self importance of a mediocre white dude
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 06:26
|
|
|
The Lone Badger posted:There's Taura from the Vorkosigan books. Labyrinth is basically "Miles gets statutory raped by a teenage supersoldier, because of the implication" but it's all presented as a "do Barayar proud, son" thing, and then they have a on-again off-again relationship in some of the later stories which gets fairly weird when you consider the power dynamics in the relationship. When I was reading through the series last year it really stood out as being very "dated 80s scifi novel" in feel, and would probably be one of the things I'd point to if asked to name something I disliked about the series. ryonguy posted:On the subject of creepy old dudes writing about creepy old dudes (trying and failing at) hooking up with younger women, Moby's new memoir just came out. I already saw this bit from it: https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/moby-on-being-politely-shut-down-ny-lana-del-rey.html quote:but right now we’d like to draw your attention to a particular anecdote about the time Moby put the moves on Lana Del Rey when she was still Lizzy Grant. The two apparently met at a bar in New York City back in 2006, and she agreed to meet him for a date at his apartment, which, the book notes, had five balconies. Moby took Del Rey to each and every one of them. She was charmed, but then she apparently gave him a little perspective check once they sat down to eat.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 08:56
|
|
|
Antivehicular posted:On the subject of bad romance, here's something somebody posted to the Deviantart thread that also belongs here: quote:BtBB - The villain who had the audacity to call himself 'The Shepherd' was massive, the largest Alpha she had ever seen.  these are clearly the same
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 09:05
|
|
|
The Vorkosigan books have always been a bit weird. I read a few of the early ones and each contained a line like "women were attracted to Miles because he was small and unthreatening". Which is a helluva thing to unpack. I also never bought the idea that Miles would be a super competent soldier at 5 foot height (or was it less?) but fandom just loved the series and you couldn't say a thing against them.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 10:15
|
|
|
I thought Miles was as bad a soldier as it was possible to be without getting kicked out and made it up with intelligence and charisma, but I haven't read them all.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 10:41
|
|
|
Yeah Miles is a terrible soldier physically. He completely subsists on bravado, luck and quick thinking. I'm like 90% sure there isn't a single physical fight or contest he actually wins across any of the books because he's 4'9 and has lovely brittle bones. He's described as breaking both his legs from a five foot drop. He also never formally gets to join the military because he fucks it up every time iirc. Zore has a new favorite as of 10:57 on May 24, 2019 |
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 10:53
|
|
|
Zore posted:Tamora Pierce had a real thing for her protagonists loving/marrying their hot older teachers. I don't remember any of that being in the Circle of Magic books, maybe since that was aimed at a younger audience. Maybe just as well I never got around to the others. I somehow managed to dodge the creepy sex stuff in fantasy. Deltora Quest just had a fantasy setting with all kinds of impressively hosed up ways to kill you, as only befitting an Australian author. That said, Australian kids book writers practically specialise in crazy and often hosed up stuff; schools had lots of Andy Griffiths, Morris Gleitzman, and other surreal vaguely horror and/or apocalypse themed stuff, The Cyclists comes to mind. Was still better than Tomorrow When The War Began. (Red Dawn for Australia)
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 11:14
|
|
|
Krankenstyle posted:
It’s interesting from a plagiarism standpoint at least. It’s not the first time it’s happened in Romancelandia in the past few years and makes me curious how much plagiarism goes unnoticed in fiction, especially through smaller publishers focusing on genre fiction like romance, fantasy, etc. I’m also curious exactly when authors started using the whole alpha/beta/omega trope with heterosexual couples considering how tied to gay couples in fanfiction (specifically Supernatural) it is. Oof, I remember when I naively thought A/B/O was just some new shorthand for dom/switch/sub. 
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 11:46
|
|
|
I mean from a prose perspective there's no plagiarism unless everything ever is plagiarism. That's not to speak of the case's other merits or lack thereof.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 12:27
|
|
|
Zore posted:Yeah Miles is a terrible soldier physically. He completely subsists on bravado, luck and quick thinking. I'm like 90% sure there isn't a single physical fight or contest he actually wins across any of the books because he's 4'9 and has lovely brittle bones. He's described as breaking both his legs from a five foot drop. He does sometimes contribute adequately when there's a mass battle and everyone's got guns and powered armour, but that's about it.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 12:34
|
|
|
I had a strange experience with the Vorkosigan books, in that I started with "Cordelia's honor" and assumed that the series would be about Cordelia, but then as soon as she's married she becomes a non-entity and the books are about her son instead. I read a few more, but then there's a couple of books in the middle of the series that weren't available in Sweden for some reason, so I jump ahead a few books and suddenly Miles has a clone brother that's sort of a weirdo? It wasn't until a couple of years later that I managed to get a hold of the books where the clone is introduced and Jesus christ what is wrong with you lady!?
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 12:55
|
|
|
Mr. Sunshine posted:I had a strange experience with the Vorkosigan books, in that I started with "Cordelia's honor" and assumed that the series would be about Cordelia, but then as soon as she's married she becomes a non-entity and the books are about her son instead. Same, except that when I realised the rest of the series wasn't going to be about her I just didn't bother reading them. Like, the book was fine and I liked the character, but if it was just going to jump ahead to be about the adventures her son has then why would I bother?
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 13:14
|
|
|
Mr. Sunshine posted:I had a strange experience with the Vorkosigan books, in that I started with "Cordelia's honor" and assumed that the series would be about Cordelia, but then as soon as she's married she becomes a non-entity and the books are about her son instead. I read a few more, but then there's a couple of books in the middle of the series that weren't available in Sweden for some reason, so I jump ahead a few books and suddenly Miles has a clone brother that's sort of a weirdo? It wasn't until a couple of years later that I managed to get a hold of the books where the clone is introduced and Jesus christ what is wrong with you lady!? Yeah I always wanted more Cordelia and shuffling her off to Sergyar was a really blatant way of stopping her stealing every scene through being sensible. I recommend Gentlemen Jole and the Red Queen if you don't mind massively spoiling the rest of the series since it's a Cordelia book that happens after Miles is married off and out of the way! At least Alys Vorpatril gets a bunch of great scenes, particularly in Memory, and Civil Campaign does bring back the gang from the second book.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 13:16
|
|
|
SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:It’s interesting from a plagiarism standpoint at least. It’s not the first time it’s happened in Romancelandia in the past few years and makes me curious how much plagiarism goes unnoticed in fiction, especially through smaller publishers focusing on genre fiction like romance, fantasy, etc. It's pretty clearly not real plagiarism, though? The publisher/author making the claim are pretty obviously just doing it to reduce competition. The allegedly-plagiarized author, in particular, seems to be playing a lot of dodgy marketing/publicity games. I'm sure there's plenty of real plagiarism out there, but this seems to be more in the "indie publishing on Amazon is a wasp's nest" category.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2019 23:24
|
|
|
Moby Wrote posted:“No, not like that. You’re a rich WASP from Connecticut and you live in a five-level penthouse. You’re ‘The Man.’ As in, ‘stick it to The Man.’ As in the person they guillotine in the revolution.” Not an empty quote.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2019 00:48
|
|
|
Ghost Leviathan posted:I don't remember any of that being in the Circle of Magic books, maybe since that was aimed at a younger audience. Maybe just as well I never got around to the others. No, that's all Tortal stuff and the earlier series at that. With Circle of Magic Peirce seems to deliberately be avoiding a lot of the baggage and corners she wrote herself into with the more conventional, Eurocentric fantasy world. SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:I’m also curious exactly when authors started using the whole alpha/beta/omega trope with heterosexual couples considering how tied to gay couples in fanfiction (specifically Supernatural) it is. Oof, I remember when I naively thought A/B/O was just some new shorthand for dom/switch/sub. Probably with fanfic authors who wrote both slash and het. It's a trend like anything else, and those tend to percolate out through crossover authors until the commercial romance world picks up on it and makes actual books/comics/etc. with it.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2019 05:58
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 21, 2024 10:04 |
|
|
Weird to see an author actually learn and tone down the weird sex stuff over time, usually it's the total opposite. I need to find a way to get goons into Deltora Quest, funny thing it's a series actually inspired by video games and has a lot of in-setting adventure game like puzzles. And the illustrations are a total acid trip. Also apparently crazy popular in Japan to the point where it get an anime adaptation.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2019 13:01
|
|