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City of Heroes is back, so good MMOs live again 
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Harrow posted:City of Heroes is back, so good MMOs live again I liked playing as a mastermind in city of villains because it was less effort.
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May 27, 2019 04:01
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just wait until the ultimate wow killer arrives to slay battle for azeroth, wow classic
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May 27, 2019 07:40
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Minrad posted:just wait until the ultimate wow killer arrives to slay battle for azeroth, wow classic "I want to do the same tedious thing that consumed massive amounts of my time and led to nothing but 15 years later"
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May 27, 2019 12:30
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did everyone who talks about old wow like that never play an mmo before it? because i played launch wow and it was a cakewalk compared to anything else.
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May 27, 2019 12:35
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Groovelord Neato posted:did everyone who talks about old wow like that never play an mmo before it? because i played launch wow and it was a cakewalk compared to anything else. Yes, it was less grindy and a streamlined experience at the time. Outside of the launch window where it was ultra laggy, crashed a lot, and had tons of people in every area. I'm not comparing WoW classic to DAoC/AO/EQ/RO. I'm comparing it to spending your time on this earth on other activities and 2019 titles. Khorne fucked around with this message at 13:00 on May 27, 2019 |
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May 27, 2019 12:55
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I'm hyped for wow classic going the wildstar route and the drama that'll produce. Unlike wildstar, it'll probably hold a few nostalgic people and their friends who pay the sub anyway, but I don't see it being successful enough for blizzard to bother too long with it, seeing how free versions of classic wow already exist and can barely hold ~10k players online.
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May 27, 2019 13:06
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Khorne posted:My point is more we've all already played WoW classic. We all know that the journey is mundane and the end result isn't worth the time invested. Maybe some people will get a nostalgia high and play with a fun group of people, but there's not a whole lot else to hope for there. i didn't mean to call you out specifically it's just something i saw a lot of when classic was announced. i only played pre-burning crusade so i have no idea what the game is like now but it was funny when they posted all the classic features people were reporting as bugs.
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May 27, 2019 13:11
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WoW Classic is a way better game than current WoW.
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May 27, 2019 16:15
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I just wish respeccing wasnt so loving expensive for classic WoW, I've gotten so used to changing talents/traits easily in games like GW2 and ESO
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May 27, 2019 16:24
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Khorne posted:My point is more we've all already played WoW classic. We all know that the journey is mundane and the end result isn't worth the time invested. Maybe some people will get a nostalgia high and play with a fun group of people, but there's not a whole lot else to hope for there. uhhh what? Welcome to the thread and please check out all the people who say modern MMOs suck and don't satisfy in the way old MMOs did. They may have been grindy but "the end result isn't worth the time invested" is hilariously inaccurate. Proper mmos are extremely fun and definitely worth the time invested, because you make friendships and don't just increase numbers in a single player game.
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Truga posted:I'm hyped for wow classic going the wildstar route and the drama that'll produce. They're not gonna make expansions for wow classic so I'm not sure how successful it has to be for them. All they have to do is make enough money off subs and player interest to consider it worth paying the electricity to keep the servers on, which is pretty minimal. They may support it and try to do events or continue through the expansions, but they could also just leave it as wow classic and many would be pretty satisfied with that. It'd probably lose interest over time no matter what they do with it, because there's no way they're doing full expansions. I said come in! posted:WoW Classic is a way better game than current WoW.
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May 27, 2019 21:13
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wow classic will be enjoyed by a very small group of people the hype around it is from either from people whose glasses are so rose tinted they're opaque or from people who never played wow when it was new. they'll find out how bad it is and stop, regardless of how bad bfa is also there was only one good mmo, and it was auto assault
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May 27, 2019 23:23
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juggalo baby coffin posted:wow classic will be enjoyed by a very small group of people you underestimate the new streamer meta of videogames
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frajaq posted:you underestimate the new streamer meta of videogames itll have a big launch but i think its playerbase will die off pretty fast i also think a big part of the appeal of wow classic was its sense of mystery and discovery, which data mining has stripped from current wow, but classic wow is also data mined to poo poo so that mystery is gone there too.
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May 27, 2019 23:38
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I think what they really want is to go back to a time where their preferred class was overpowered, or just functioned in a way they were used to despite balance or broken mechanics.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i also think a big part of the appeal of wow classic was its sense of mystery and discovery, which data mining has stripped from current wow, but classic wow is also data mined to poo poo so that mystery is gone there too. Nah, EQ was pretty blind in the 1999 days, but by Velioius almost all the data was on Allakazam. By Vanilla Wow days, Wowhead and Thottbot were a thing very early on, way before BC. The original Thottbot plugin to gather data was released in 2004, which was the very year vanilla wow went live. Although I guess the internet itself was so much more primitive back then, some people no doubt didn't know about wowhead or thottbot for a long time. But they were definitely there and used by anybody serious. E: This is a really fun quote quote:During the 2006 Austin Game Conference, World of Warcraft lead designer Rob Pardo spoke of the hardcore market and casual market for World of Warcraft, saying "The people that don't go to ThottBot are the casual players, and they're the ones you need to hold the hand of." And I'm sure even in the Ultima Online days, if you knew the right usenet group or whatever you could get information on what you wanted. Its just more mainstream now. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 04:39 on May 28, 2019 |
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May 28, 2019 04:35
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juggalo baby coffin posted:also there was only one good mmo, and it was auto assault Preach.
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items i wish were real and not just mods ...
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May 28, 2019 13:27
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Zaphod42 posted:Nah, EQ was pretty blind in the 1999 days, but by Velioius almost all the data was on Allakazam. By Vanilla Wow days, Wowhead and Thottbot were a thing very early on, way before BC. i remember thottbot but it was crude compared to what we have now. it was just a database of stuff, it wasnt particularly well correlated like wowhead is now. there was a lot more mystery when it came to raid boss strats and the exact mathematics of their abilities. the top guilds had that poo poo but they kept it fairly close to their chest.
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by the way, Frozenbyte just announced voxel eve basically https://massivelyop.com/2019/05/28/new-mmo-starbase-pretty-much-sounds-like-everquest-next-in-space-plus-robots/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/454120/Starbase/ discord.gg/starbase
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i remember thottbot but it was crude compared to what we have now. it was just a database of stuff, it wasnt particularly well correlated like wowhead is now. there was a lot more mystery when it came to raid boss strats and the exact mathematics of their abilities. the top guilds had that poo poo but they kept it fairly close to their chest. It being more organized is just how things progress, technology and whatnot. The game itself is faster and has way more info built-in without any mods even. More mystery about boss strats is a big deal, but the problem there is testing. Everything is on the beta server for so long that FatBoss has youtube guides up as soon as the raids go live. But the alternative is to have new raids be buggy or imbalanced. The mystery is cool but poo poo bugging out or being way too hard was frustrating. Ideally blizzard would hire some of the best clans to test in an internal beta server under NDA, but  I don't know how feasible that is from a business standpointBut another thing that's easy to forget is how much boss strats weren't even really much of a thing back in vanilla. So many bosses were just tank and spank. MC only had a few mechanics you really had to learn, like the infamous bomb. Later in vanilla things started to get more complicated though, so its hard to like, nail a particular period. Naxx was definitely complicated but that's more the exception. I remember arguing about a boss strat in uhhh ZG? with my guildies for an hour or so one night. And maybe some in AQ? But even then it seemed like there were known strats pretty fast. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 29, 2019 |
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May 28, 2019 23:57
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Zaphod42 posted:It being more organized is just how things progress, technology and whatnot. The game itself is faster and has way more info built-in without any mods even. i def agree but my point overall is that the mystery won't exist at all for wow classic, cause that stuff is all out in the open now.
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May 29, 2019 00:55
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eonwe posted:by the way, Frozenbyte just announced voxel eve basically That looks like it could be amazing. More likely it will be poo poo but goons will swarm it and gank everybody and harvest their tears for about a month before moving on.
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May 29, 2019 01:48
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Babe Magnet posted:a goon in one of the wow subforum threads toxxed that WoW Classic would be more popular and have a higher player number than WoW Current lol lol considering a wow sub gets you both games that can’t be possible.
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May 29, 2019 02:52
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You can see how many people are playing one vs. the other though, but still lol
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May 29, 2019 06:23
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i def agree but my point overall is that the mystery won't exist at all for wow classic, cause that stuff is all out in the open now. Yeah, for sure. Its all known, even exploits, which really changes the meta. What we need is a new MMO designed like EQ or classic wow, but that seems unlikely.
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May 29, 2019 07:47
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Zaphod42 posted:They may support it and try to do events or continue through the expansions, but they could also just leave it as wow classic and many would be pretty satisfied with that. It'd probably lose interest over time no matter what they do with it, because there's no way they're doing full expansions. I'm curious about this from someone who's played OSRS, how has that game and the community handled updates? The few things I've read is that people were very #nochanges about it at first when OSRS launched, but over time people just want new content and they ended up developing new content for it that isn't just retreading their path to Runescape 3.
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May 29, 2019 09:32
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah, for sure. Its all known, even exploits, which really changes the meta. You're getting it. Well, it's being 'made,' it's called Pantheon and it's gonna be just... so tremendous.
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eonwe posted:no, is the answer 
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Sandbox MMO is just another word for "we as developers did not have the money or resources to design interesting content." every sandbox MMO I have ever played has been utterly devoid of interesting things to do.
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I said come in! posted:Sandbox MMO is just another word for "we as developers did not have the money or resources to design interesting content." every sandbox MMO I have ever played has been utterly devoid of interesting things to do. I mean, I consider EVE to be a sandbox. Although maybe point still stands there  or even Everquest. Star wars galaxies.Games like DayZ, Rust, Ark, those aren't really sandbox MMOs they're unfinished betas, engine tests. They have a whole other level of "no content" from like, EVE though.
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L2 got fantasy open world pvp right in that there's consequences for ganking people. The factions split that got popular with wow is incredibly dumb, both from a gameplay point of view (no reason not to grief people if you're feeling bored, there's no risk to doing it it), and from a "split your playerbase" point of view. Wow was incredibly popular so it got away with the 2nd one, but the 1st one still made playing on pvp servers just plain inferior unless you had a gank squad of your own.
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Worlds Adrift is shutting down. Not sure if that ever counted as MMO. It's a shame. I liked it, but I stopped playing because I wanted the game to be in a more finished state before invested time in it. Joke's on me. SweetBro fucked around with this message at 12:23 on May 30, 2019 |
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May 30, 2019 11:54
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SweetBro posted:Worlds Adrift is shutting down. Not sure if that ever counted as MMO. You and everyone else. I didn't even get to play it once  But it was an unfinished pile of crap so joke's actually on them for never delivering
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Any goon guilds planned for classic wow? I quit before the first expansion came out so kinda looking forward to reliving the same bullshit from 15 years ago.
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Has there been anyone working on another mmo fps like planetside or WW2 online? Maybe a battlegrounds type game without a total game winner? I don't know, I miss planetside. Big battle games continue to develop so I hope someone tries planetside 3 or something.
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