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I always assumed that's exactly what the [recipe] #XX was, was a different preparation so you didn't have the same scrambled eggs for the rest of your life.
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Powered Descent posted:You'd think they'd be able to keep multiple examples of each dish, and randomly select one each time. (Or if you know you REALLY like the way Plomeek Soup #47 was made, you can specify.) But hey, maybe replicator patterns take up more space in the computer than I'm assuming here. Well, some people probably do, indeed, do this! I mean, people clearly have their own personalized replicator recipes, as with Data and his feline supplements, it just takes some work, which also ties into that whole 'slaving over a replicator all night', that someone brought up, which would indeed be a thing...insofar as it'd mean 'working on programming and trial and error sampling of the results for hours, possibly while standing uncomfortably at a terminal rather than sitting comfortably'. Which would indeed be somewhat fatiguing and unpleasant, much like 'slaving away at a stove', just with less ambient heat or accidental cutting of fingers and so forth. Data is fine with this, because he doesn't get tired or frustrated, but working on custom replicator recipes, for most people, particularly when you're trying to get a custom dish/meal JUST right, would indeed be a big hassle...which is why most people probably don't make a ton of recipe variants for the replicators! I could see people trading them on the INTERWEBS, such as they are, but the concept of the internet barely seems to exist in Star Trek, so it'd be limited to more localized interactions, which could be an issue. I could see replicator recipes being a hugely popular topic of discussion/file exchanging on any given Federation subspace forum. This is probably why a lot of people go to Quark's, because he has custom recipes up the wazoo, constantly acquired from various sources, some of them made by his own hands, even if he's serving replicated food just like the replimat. Because the replimat doesn't offer much in the way of variety, even if the food there tastes just fine, it'd be really easy to get tired of it after a little while.
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May 27, 2019 18:21
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Sorry, ensign. I agree your recipe for tikka massala sounds delicious, but Commander Data has already filled the replicator databanks to capacity with 7,000 feline supplement recipes.
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May 27, 2019 19:38
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Rather than getting into programming the replicator, people could also do some experimentation with the outputs too. So, instead of replicating an entire meal in one go they could replicate the individual elements (meat, vegetables, sauce etc) and put the various parts together to make a more unique meal. That would obviously take a lot more work and creativity than just opting for one of the standard pre-set options. That said, I expect the "slaving over a replicator" line was just intended as a "give the fek'lhr his due" type of thing where the writers took a regular expression and threw in a sci-fi word to make it fit the setting.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Well, some people probably do, indeed, do this! I mean, people clearly have their own personalized replicator recipes, as with Data and his feline supplements, it just takes some work, which also ties into that whole 'slaving over a replicator all night', that someone brought up, which would indeed be a thing...insofar as it'd mean 'working on programming and trial and error sampling of the results for hours, possibly while standing uncomfortably at a terminal rather than sitting comfortably'. Which would indeed be somewhat fatiguing and unpleasant, much like 'slaving away at a stove', just with less ambient heat or accidental cutting of fingers and so forth.
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May 27, 2019 19:41
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Taear posted:Star Trek isn't very good with stuff like that. Yeah, it actually kind of sucks that across at least four modern Trek shows the writers never bothered to try to make this work at all. The frustrating bit is that there aren't really any logical inconsistencies that aren't the result of writers just being lazy. The idea that Federation citizens operate in an effectively entirely different economy than the Federation government is totally fine, and basically how the real world works anyway. You and your closest hundred friends couldn't afford to buy an F-22 if you all pooled every penny you ever earned throughout your entire life, but one plane is effectively a rounding error to the US government. It's completely reasonable to say that personal consumption is post-scarcity, but industrial production of something like a starship isn't.
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Voting Floater posted:That said, I expect the "slaving over a replicator" line was just intended as a "give the fek'lhr his due" type of thing where the writers took a regular expression and threw in a sci-fi word to make it fit the setting. Oh, no doubt, I'm just saying that it also kind of makes sense if you substitute a different sort of 'slaving over' imagery for the original, too. Miserable coding session rather than miserable kitchen stress. It's amusing.
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, it actually kind of sucks that across at least four modern Trek shows the writers never bothered to try to make this work at all. The frustrating bit is that there aren't really any logical inconsistencies that aren't the result of writers just being lazy. Yeah. Same applies with powering the things. We usually see people on ships and stations that already need insane amounts of energy. Compared to the power needed to travel at high warp, every crew member having unfettered replicator use is probably another one of those rounding errors on the energy budget.
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May 27, 2019 20:22
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Yeah, and it's also really easy to justify why Starfleet officers still have to pay at places like Quark's. The Federation doesn't want to turbofuck the economies of every civilization they interact with, so they don't give their officers enough local currency to cosplay trillionaires. The fact that the writers had to fall back on technobabble like currencies that can't be replicated is frankly embarrassing for them. Especially since the entire idea of a currency itself having inherent value is... really dumb.
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May 27, 2019 20:34
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Paradoxish posted:The fact that the writers had to fall back on technobabble like currencies that can't be replicated is frankly embarrassing for them. Especially since the entire idea of a currency itself having inherent value is... really dumb.  Turns out the real reason Voyager had to ration replicator use was that all the power was going to the cargo bay full of mining rigs Harry was running.
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May 27, 2019 20:39
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, and it's also really easy to justify why Starfleet officers still have to pay at places like Quark's. The Federation doesn't want to turbofuck the economies of every civilization they interact with, so they don't give their officers enough local currency to cosplay trillionaires. The fact that the writers had to fall back on technobabble like currencies that can't be replicated is frankly embarrassing for them. Especially since the entire idea of a currency itself having inherent value is... really dumb. GPL is like ferengi bitcoin
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May 27, 2019 20:46
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I assume that's what the Federation credits are, just not created and generated by some shady person that's probably expecting to live handsomely off of it for the rest of his/her life.
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May 27, 2019 20:49
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Pakled posted:There was a book that straight-up said B was the case. Because different species have different biological needs and atmospheric preferences and such so it's more comfortable for everyone to group crews together by species as much as possible. The existence of the rear end in a top hat Vulcan ship from DS9's baseball episode supports this as well.
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May 27, 2019 21:51
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I just assume a lot of stuff falls into the "just because we can do it, doesn't mean we use that method." Maybe it makes more sense for Federation shipyard workers to assemble large subassemblies "by hand" and perform the check-outs and tests as they go instead of the replicator trying to fart out one massive unit or have tractor beams manipulating huge sections with minimal supervision.
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May 27, 2019 23:36
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Weird foot alien is, weird fact, also named Dax.
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Timeless Appeal posted:A) Humans are an incredibly dominant force in Starfleet because of Reasons and they literally do make up most of Starfleet, It doesn't quite suit Trek but you could probably explain an A situation in some hypothetical "multi-species confederation, but mostly humans on screen" by saying that humans are unusually well suited to adapting to life on a long-haul starship or something. It's not that other aliens can't, it's that it's not particularly remarkable for humans to be able to do so, and so the fleet tends to fill with those weirdo apes because they're willing to put up with breathing each other's recycled gas and eating each other's recycled poo poo and not going for a single god drat ten-mile run for OVER A YEAR AT A TIME. FREAKS!
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May 28, 2019 00:36
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Nessus posted:B shading towards C as the timeline moves through TOS and into TNG/DS9/VOY. I imagine that they have ships set to different environmental conditions and so forth, this got brought up in the TNG tech manual that I memorized as a child. I always got the impression that some species might prefer to only work with others of their own kind. Like, apparently humans loving reek to vulcans and they prefer hotter environments. But take it as it goes I guess
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May 28, 2019 04:57
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Only the captain of that Vulcan ship was really an rear end in a top hat. If you look at the party at the end of the "Take Me Out to the Holosuite", Solok's crew is celebrating with the Niners already when he stomps up and goes "WHY ARE YOU HAPPY?!"
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May 28, 2019 05:05
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Nodosaur posted:Only the captain of that Vulcan ship was really an rear end in a top hat. If you look at the party at the end of the "Take Me Out to the Holosuite", Solok's crew is celebrating with the Niners already when he stomps up and goes "WHY ARE YOU HAPPY?!" im mostly just referring to t'pol whining about humans stinking and how cold the ship is. i assume cardies wouldn't like serving in a mixed crew either, preferring dark and humid environments
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May 28, 2019 05:08
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Nessus posted:It doesn't quite suit Trek but you could probably explain an A situation in some hypothetical "multi-species confederation, but mostly humans on screen" by saying that humans are unusually well suited to adapting to life on a long-haul starship or something. It's not that other aliens can't, it's that it's not particularly remarkable for humans to be able to do so, and so the fleet tends to fill with those weirdo apes because they're willing to put up with breathing each other's recycled gas and eating each other's recycled poo poo and not going for a single god drat ten-mile run for OVER A YEAR AT A TIME. FREAKS! There's those fish guys that Lwaxana exposes as terrorists who apparently go into a coma when traveling in space, so there's probably a few species that just plain can't handle Starfleet.
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May 28, 2019 05:11
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Here's the question, how much does something like the dominion war affect people at home? Like, did the average person even know? How did they feel? When san francisco got blowed up, were people like "????????"
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May 28, 2019 05:16
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Generations had reporters on the bridge and Jake was sending reports back home while on the station so I'm assuming that Fed citizens have access to some sort of news aggregation service.
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Voting Floater posted:Rather than getting into programming the replicator, people could also do some experimentation with the outputs too. So, instead of replicating an entire meal in one go they could replicate the individual elements (meat, vegetables, sauce etc) and put the various parts together to make a more unique meal. That would obviously take a lot more work and creativity than just opting for one of the standard pre-set options. Yeah and I always figured the settings really let you get into the nitty gritty of the recipe depending on your preferences. Like you could salt +1 on broccoli portion two, steam for +3.5 seconds, that sort of thing.
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Re: replicators, most people don't really know what they want, especially if they've never had to make it themselves and think about what goes into it. Garbage in, garbage out. It's like when a New Yorker moves to an area that only has Papa John's and declares that New York pizza is better because of the water. When actually there are like a million other differences that are way more important, and it's a totally solvable problem, but it's easier to assume "it just ain't the same" and feel vaguely superior.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I always got the impression that some species might prefer to only work with others of their own kind. Can you imagine being a tellarite on a human vessel? Everyone is constantly stepping around each others' feelings, nobody is direct in telling anyone off. You're written up every loving week seems like, and you're forced to do occupational counseling. "I know you're coming from a constructive place" says the smarmy counselor "but you must understand your mannerisms can come off as aggressive or dismissive." I didn't realize I couldn't dismiss morons now. Shows no signs of wanting to improve, recommend a counseling package tailored to Tellarites on the holodeck.. gently caress yourselves; like we're the problem instead of you pearl-clutching apes. I miss my freighter days.
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Brawnfire posted:Can you imagine being a tellarite on a human vessel? Everyone is constantly stepping around each others' feelings, nobody is direct in telling anyone off. You're written up every loving week seems like, and you're forced to do occupational counseling. "I know you're coming from a constructive place" says the smarmy counselor "but you must understand your mannerisms can come off as aggressive or dismissive." I didn't realize I couldn't dismiss morons now. Shows no signs of wanting to improve, recommend a counseling package tailored to Tellarites on the holodeck.. gently caress yourselves; like we're the problem instead of you pearl-clutching apes. I miss my freighter days. This week in why Prime Directive is a good TOS novel.
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I don’t remember one in Prime Directive but I do remember it being a good book so I’ll believe it.
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Kibayasu posted:I don’t remember one in Prime Directive but I do remember it being a good book so I’ll believe it. There's like, half a chapter or a very small chapter where... I'm gonna actually spoiler this because seriously read a good* Star Trek book, they basically don't exist. The chapter that introduces current Kirk has him basically working in some kind of "we don't ask questions" construction organization and a lot of his co-workers are Tellarites and it very briefly has a little back and forth exchange of teaching each other languages which is neat. Except turns out "we don't ask questions" doesn't extend to super space criminal murderers so that goes about as you'd expect. *still genre fiction
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The greatest moment in all of Star Trek is in "Broken Link", in which Sisko has to stop Bashir from skipping a pebble into the Great Link.
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 Nodosaur posted:The greatest moment in all of Star Trek is in "Broken Link", in which Sisko has to stop Bashir from skipping a pebble into the Great Link. Second Greatest 
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May 29, 2019 18:08
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Lol what episode is that from The Magnificent Ferengi I get that some joyless chodes don't like the Ferengi but this whole sequence is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZlBETlT1yo
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May 29, 2019 19:00
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The Bloop posted:The Magnificent Ferengi "Joyless Chodes" and "don't like the Ferengi" seem to adequately sum up the Vorta, yes  Tighclops posted:I love how Sisko goes back to doing nothing at the end of that He had a feeling that some chicanery involving his office was going to happen that day and damned if he wasn't going to make sure he was there when it happened.
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Angry_Ed posted:He had a feeling that some chicanery involving his office was going to happen that day and damned if he wasn't going to make sure he was there when it happened. IT'S NOT LINEAR!
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Nodosaur posted:They're generally the fanboy equivalents of old men yelling at clouds that are mad at things not being like when they were kids. They're also pretty misogynistic and generally just not funny. Whatever valid criticisms there are of Discovery (and there are many) I'm not really interested in seeing them through their eyes. Yeah I'm with you, especially on the misogynistic part
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