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Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

Agreed. Can we also agree that it'd basically need to be half a wing of C-2s, since the point of the support bird is to have spare parts and equipment for the main jets, but the first two C-2s would just be packed full of C-2 parts so THOSE don't get stranded somewhere. Then you could have a couple more C-2s for the maintainers and F-35B parts.

I'm guessing no one has thought to just build a C-2D yet because it isn't sexy enough to fund?

Or because they need a 10 year process to award the contract to LockMart for $3 trillion

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Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

I'm guessing no one has thought to just build a C-2D yet because it isn't sexy enough to fund?

Or because they need a 10 year process to award the contract to LockMart for $3 trillion

New-build C-2B's were indeed one of the proposals for the updated COD platform a while back, along side modifying S-3's from the boneyard and adapting V-22's. The awkwardly-designated CMV-22 won out and is in the process of replacing the C-2. It's... eh, fine I guess. It's got pluses and minuses compared to the other proposals just like any other aircraft choice, but I think it'll work out fine. It has the advantage of an existing production line and accompanying spare parts availability. The youngest C-2A's in the fleet were built like 30 years ago so restarting that production line would be a pretty major investment for what is ultimately not a very large fleet.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


A friend likes hanging around airports:



How terribly british "Oh now it's going backwards"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BTBrJb3P9o

Humphreys fucked around with this message at 11:23 on May 26, 2019

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
Short video of a new australian royal flying doctor service plane landing on a dirt runway.

Amazing chase plane footage.
Proclick: https://youtu.be/z0aQtBTNxWg

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
So yeah, the first video on this page is kinda "huh, neat," but then scroll down and see what it looks like when an A340-600 does one of the tightest turns I've ever seen a widebody make: https://onemileatatime.com/saa-formation-flying/

Footage from inside the cockpit of the trailing A340: https://twitter.com/AeroSkippah/status/1132341904220278785

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 19:44 on May 26, 2019

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

That probably looked tighter than it really was because they're big... but drat.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
C-17s have wide bodies. Kind of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg0yis5q0co

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

slidebite posted:

That probably looked tighter than it really was because they're big... but drat.

Yeah. That triggered a dusty part of my memory that went "looks like the FSX scenery traffic is acting up again".

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005




Jesus christ they still didn't learn anything from Fairchild or Elmendorf?

E: Took a screenshot and measured the bank angle at 63° :stonk:

shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 20:33 on May 26, 2019

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

shame on an IGA posted:

Jesus christ they still didn't learn anything from Fairchild or Elmendorf?

You can't really tell if that exceeding bank limits or not. Its not like they're doing any really dumb acrobatics.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

BIG HEADLINE posted:

So yeah, the first video on this page is kinda "huh, neat," but then scroll down and see what it looks like when an A340-600 does one of the tightest turns I've ever seen a widebody make: https://onemileatatime.com/saa-formation-flying/

I did the math on it before and a 777 with no passengers or cargo and 50% fuel has the same thrust-to-weight ratio as a combat-loaded F-14.

Lots of extra lift for those turns.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


https://i.imgur.com/vLYJssV.gifv

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

Interesting fact, the nose was originally designed with the full down position that the test pilots deemed was too low and unnecessary. And it was mechanically blocked off, and (I think) later planes were not even built with it. And I'm fairly sure the lowest position shown in this clip, is it.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
I had a teacher who won tickets for two on a Concorde somehow. Her general review was that they quoted impressive speeds to you, but it was hard to feel it, really, aside from a very atypical takeoff profile. She said the deep purple sky and visible curvature of the Earth was extremely cool.

She said the worst part was that the tickets weren't transferable, so she couldn't just sell them for thousands of dollars.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

I'd have bought them too.

Even if they somehow end up building a supersonic airliner in the future, there's just something really special about Concorde and I regret I never got the chance to fly on one.


Except the ones that blew up, obviously.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

shame on an IGA posted:

Jesus christ they still didn't learn anything from Fairchild or Elmendorf?

E: Took a screenshot and measured the bank angle at 63° :stonk:

This guy actually had airspeed, whereas the Sitka pilot did not. The C-17 has pretty liberal limits, provided you're not barely leaving the loving ground.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
C17 also has copious amounts of airspeed compared to the Fairchild incident.

60° is a lot but it isn’t that much, assuming you’re light and not going slow.

standard.deviant
May 17, 2012

Globally Indigent

e.pilot posted:

C17 also has copious amounts of airspeed compared to the Fairchild incident.

60° is a lot but it isn’t that much, assuming you’re light and not going slow.
Not a C-17 guy but I’ve seen 60°/2g as a common limit for transport aircraft.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


standard.deviant posted:

Not a C-17 guy but I’ve seen 60°/2g as a common limit for transport aircraft.

It just worries me when roll control comes from spoilers and you're low to the ground pulling high alpha.

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Hard to tell yet, but it looks like a large tornado in Dayton passed very close to the Air Force Museum.

Edit:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28248/a-tornado-touched-down-on-or-very-near-wright-patterson-air-force-base-in-ohio-reports

Plastic_Gargoyle fucked around with this message at 06:11 on May 28, 2019

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
When Finland took the Gold for first time in 1995, FAF Drakens intercepted them over the Baltic Sea on the way home from Sweden, and then in 2011 F-18s met them coming from Slovakia, and this year Hawk's were used due most F-18s being in the current NATO exercise up north.

https://twitter.com/FinnishAirForce/status/1133021842816622597

https://twitter.com/FinnishAirForce/status/1133033552692568064

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

They should've brushed near the airspace to the east to piss off Russia even more.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Russian hockey fans were cheering for Finland, though.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Vahakyla posted:

Russian hockey fans were cheering for Finland, though.

Ah ok, do a wing wave near the border then!

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
I wonder how much the airliner had to slow down and/or work an intercept on the Hawks instead of vice versa.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Stupid hockey nobody cares :sigh::hf::canada:

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

mlmp08 posted:

I wonder how much the airliner had to slow down and/or work an intercept on the Hawks instead of vice versa.

What I can Google up has the Hawk cruising about .02 of a mach faster, whatever that's worth.

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
The only bad go around is the one you don’t do.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Better to be on someone's poo poo list than the obituaries page.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Better to be on someone's poo poo list than the obituaries page.

It seems to me what gets people killed is not realizing when "neither" has stopped being an option. It's like how what kills people in wilderness survival situations is not realizing they're in one.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Should have gone around clicking print. Fit to page is like the cat iii dual of printing.

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Another aviation-related The History Guy video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-suOpy3rQU

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Hey that Air Canada flight that tried landing on the SFO taxiway was just trying to ease congestion and add another runway, after all.

Knockknees
Dec 21, 2004

sprung out fully formed
How common are go arounds on large commercial flights? I had one once in Dublin Air coming into O Hare on a snowy night. The captain said something like he didn’t like the look of the runway with the snow on it. At the time I figured that he wanted to get a better angle or make sure he came down on the numbers or something.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Knockknees posted:

How common are go arounds on large commercial flights? I had one once in Dublin Air coming into O Hare on a snowy night. The captain said something like he didn’t like the look of the runway with the snow on it. At the time I figured that he wanted to get a better angle or make sure he came down on the numbers or something.

I probably get a go-around every say, 300-400 segments?

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
As a passenger, I’ve been on a two flights where go arounds were called. One was briefed to us by the pilot prior to him shooting the approach and executing the maneuver before minimums.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Knockknees posted:

How common are go arounds on large commercial flights? I had one once in Dublin Air coming into O Hare on a snowy night. The captain said something like he didn’t like the look of the runway with the snow on it. At the time I figured that he wanted to get a better angle or make sure he came down on the numbers or something.

I had it happen in Albuquerque when the winds shot up to over 60 knots during the approach. In monsoon season the storms there are super localized and unpredictable.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I like when my students make a decision to execute a go-around without me having to say anything, it makes me trust their decision-making a lot more. It doesn't matter if the approach and landing is possible in the circumstances or not, I never second-guess them for it because I'd prefer they execute a go-around when they could've made a safe landing, rather than not doing it when they actually need to.

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FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


https://i.imgur.com/6ePc6Ua.gifv

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