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TheDavies posted:Given that I think Sae is coded as being lesbian, I would find that more of a violation of her established character than I do Ohya's romance. i read her as being more ace than anything else, really. Wedded to her job, as it were.
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She's coded as an rear end in a top hat.
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May 29, 2019 04:13
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Aerdan posted:i read her as being more ace than anything else, really. Wedded to her job, as it were. Plausible. Qrr posted:She is? How so? Her height, her hairstyle, but mostly her costuming; like Ohya, and unlike most of the female characters, she wears pants rather than a skirt. There's also the "go get married" scene, which can be read as just referencing her sex but becomes a double insult if she's homosexual. Yes, I know these are stereotypes. That's pretty much how coding works.
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Aerdan posted:i read her as being more ace than anything else, really. Wedded to her job, as it were. Funky Valentine posted:She's coded as an rear end in a top hat. Both these things are true. She’s so obsessed with succeeding in a rigged system that she’s almost as warped as some of the actual villains in the game. I don’t see anything relating to any kind of sexuality from her because it’s one of many things that are irrelevant to her at the moment.
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May 29, 2019 09:14
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Sae: To the Ultimate Prosecutor, [Sex] is [ U S E L E S S ]!!!
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May 29, 2019 10:31
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Hmm, this anime fffffemale has short hair, acts with confidence, and doesn't try to hit on the protag once. Must be a lesbian. 
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TheDavies posted:Plausible. When I first saw coding I thought it was literally in the game's files that she was homosexual.
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Fhqwhgads posted:Hmm, this anime fffffemale has short hair, acts with confidence, and doesn't try to hit on the protag once. Must be a lesbian. only lesbians could possibly wear pants
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May 29, 2019 15:38
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Shadow Sae is pretty popular with lesbians though. I think it's the eyeshadow.
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Geostomp posted:Both these things are true. She’s so obsessed with succeeding in a rigged system that she’s almost as warped as some of the actual villains in the game. I don’t see anything relating to any kind of sexuality from her because it’s one of many things that are irrelevant to her at the moment. Personally, I thought her androgynous design relates more to her gender than her sexuality, since a lot of her character conflict revolves around being a woman forced into traditionally-male social roles, both at work and at home. It contrasts well with Shadow Sae, which as a representation of her fantasies is both feminine and powerful, in contrast to her reality of being androgynous/masculine and powerless. I hadn't thought of Sae as a lesbian before, but now that it's been pointed out I can kind of see it. I don't know if it's intentional, though, because Persona 5 doesn't have a good track record of being nuanced or tasteful about these things.
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May 29, 2019 16:26
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only lesbians could possibly wear slinky black evening dresses
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May 29, 2019 16:26
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Sae expresses zero romantic interest in anyone, and wearing pants does not have the slightest bit to do with someone's sexuality, you weirdos like, what the hell, people
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May 29, 2019 16:29
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GeneX posted:Sae expresses zero romantic interest in anyone, and wearing pants does not have the slightest bit to do with someone's sexuality, you weirdos Some people like to read way too much into things. Sae is a careerwoman first and foremost. She barely takes time to sleep and eat. Romance isn’t remotely on her radar.
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May 29, 2019 16:33
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Not totally sure this is much of an improvement over EphebeChat.
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May 29, 2019 16:52
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TheDavies posted:Her height, her hairstyle, but mostly her costuming; like Ohya, and unlike most of the female characters, she wears pants rather than a skirt. There's also the "go get married" scene, which can be read as just referencing her sex but becomes a double insult if she's homosexual. I think you're reading way too much into things given Sae's whole thing was being tied to her crushing career; it was even the theme of her palace. Does Sae even share any scenes with another woman that isn't one of the Phantom Thieves?
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May 29, 2019 16:57
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Did I mention earlier how neat it was that Shadow Sae's battle mode is just an even edgier take on Thief Makoto's design?
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MightyPretenders posted:Did I mention earlier how neat it was that Shadow Sae's battle mode is just an even edgier take on Thief Makoto's design? I never thought about it that way but that makes a lot of sense and is a cute little detail.
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MightyPretenders posted:Did I mention earlier how neat it was that Shadow Sae's battle mode is just an even edgier take on Thief Makoto's design?
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GeneX posted:Sae expresses zero romantic interest in anyone, and wearing pants does not have the slightest bit to do with someone's sexuality, you weirdos Well, you know how it is. When there's little media featuring people like you, you've gotta make it up or interpret things differently. Remember how people thought Kanji was gay- or maybe bi?- for like, years? And really, who's gonna come to your house force you to stop? Couple other examples I remember was 'Samus is Trans' and Tracer and Widowmaker before it turned out the former did have a girlfriend that they took a year and a half to mention. I can't think of any other ones besides those right now.
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MightyPretenders posted:Did I mention earlier how neat it was that Shadow Sae's battle mode is just an even edgier take on Thief Makoto's design? I never noticed before now, but you’re right. I guess leather and spikes run in the family.
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May 29, 2019 18:56
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RareAcumen posted:Well, you know how it is. When there's little media featuring people like you, you've gotta make it up or interpret things differently. Remember how people thought Kanji was gay- or maybe bi?- for like, years? And really, who's gonna come to your house force you to stop? Couple other examples I remember was 'Samus is Trans' and Tracer and Widowmaker before it turned out the former did have a girlfriend that they took a year and a half to mention. I can't think of any other ones besides those right now. headcanon is great and makes cishet people mad so it's fun using inaccurate stereotypes to determine a fictional character's sexuality, when she indicates pretty much nothing in any direction, is not great
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May 29, 2019 19:23
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sae is a lesbian and my girlfriend
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May 29, 2019 19:31
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sae is a COP u traitors
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May 29, 2019 19:40
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She's a lawyer, that's slightly less bad!
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May 29, 2019 20:07
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She's a prosecutor in Japan, that's the worst kind.
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May 29, 2019 20:13
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At the end Sae does know what a monster she was and became a defense attorney.
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May 29, 2019 20:16
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Jesus Christ there's a lot of hot takes in this weird loving thread
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May 29, 2019 20:16
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You can tell Sae's not gay because the game isn't constantly laughing at her expanse by having her openly creep on underage girls.
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Grapplejack posted:She's a prosecutor in Japan, that's the worst kind. Look, if Ace Attorney has taught me anything, they're either the worst villains imaginable or tragic figures making very stupid decisions based on said tragedy.
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Hunt11 posted:At the end Sae does what a monster she was and became a defense attorney. Drakenel posted:Look, if Ace Attorney has taught me anything, they're either the worst villains imaginable or tragic figures making very stupid decisions based on said tragedy.
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RareAcumen posted:Well, you know how it is. When there's little media featuring people like you, you've gotta make it up or interpret things differently. Remember how people thought Kanji was gay- or maybe bi?- for like, years? And really, who's gonna come to your house force you to stop? Couple other examples I remember was 'Samus is Trans' and Tracer and Widowmaker before it turned out the former did have a girlfriend that they took a year and a half to mention. I can't think of any other ones besides those right now. I never understood the "Kanji is gay" interpretation because that means the game is essentially saying "Everyone is correct for labeling him as gay because he likes to knit and cook.", which isn't a very positive message at all.
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Lol I "avoided" that joke to stop a derail and now we're in an entirely different one
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I never understood the "Kanji is gay" interpretation because that means the game is essentially saying "Everyone is correct for labeling him as gay because he likes to knit and cook.", which isn't a very positive message at all. A Persona game with a negative message about LGBT people? Well I never... Anyway the Sae is a secret lesbian stuff is really weird particularly when it's clear as day that her whole fuckin' deal as a character is the stress and seeming hopelessness of taking on the responsibility of what is expected of adult men in a very heavily patriarchal society as a woman who's implied to be in her early-to-mid 20's. She's the head of the house and has to provide for both herself and Makato, and she's working in a very hyper competitive and male-dominated field surrounded by older male colleagues who treat her dismissively. At the onset of the game this opressive environment has worn her down and crushed her ideals to the point that her cognition has been warped into what you see in her palace: someone who sees it all as an inherently unfair system that you either rig to your advantage or lose everything trying to beat fairly. Her unraveling more of Joker's story and how he and his friends were faced with similar unfair and seemingly hopeless situations thrust on them by society, but instead of caving or becoming corrupted they managed to stay true to their ideals and fight against injustice with their heads held high, which reignites Sae's own idealism and flips her to Joker's side.
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May 29, 2019 21:16
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If Sae was an Ace Attorney character, what would her name be?
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May 29, 2019 21:57
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Sae Yanara, ace prosecutor.
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Grapplejack posted:Sae Yanara, ace prosecutor. I thought she was gay!?
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May 29, 2019 22:14
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Grapplejack posted:Sae Yanara, ace prosecutor.  Is the protag Maaku Miwords?
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Nought Akira.
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Wyatt A. Card
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Morgana Hotinruff, a kid in a cat costume Ann Takafoto, an up-and-coming model Mako Runfrit, a nosy student with a motorcycle and the ultimate prosecutor, Gorot.
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