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Kaubocks posted:i don't think they should let people play mch if they can't even remember what the class is called Mechanist, obviously. Why else do you summon a mecha robot?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKxXmaJ-iJg I appreciate that the "WE FALL" refrain kicks in the moment the pit opens up in this video.
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I really want to get my hands on new MCH and play around with it. Man I'm so glad I have everything at 70 right now.Ibblebibble posted:Yep. It's also more DPS just to Bio Blaster and Spread spam. FT damage ticks are like a second apart, right? That would be 100 dps while it's active, vs. Spread Shot's 75ish. You don't get any heat or auto-attacks though. Maybe they'll make adjustments? Still seems very potent for raw AoE damage if you don't have access to Auto Crossbow. Ibblebibble posted:If Queen weaponskills count towards Wildfire it's a theoretical max of 1800 potency Yeah I wanna know this too. Wildfire lookin' mighty fine.
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As a SCH main, I’m really bummed about the changes and might switch to DRK or MCH. Hope everyone likes long queues waiting for healers!
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:I'm pretty much at that point honestly. I'm really tempted to just throw my account on PlayerAuctions or SA Mart; a Balmung character that's level 70 on everything and has O12S clears, respectable parses, and i400 healers (lol) and casters has to be worth something, right? best thing to do is just to keep playing if you still like/want to like the game, but actually main swap. play tank or dps for an expansion, or at least the intro. if the feedback is drastically bad enough they'll panic fix it like they did whm/sch at the start of SB. I just don't know how they keep loving this up, though.
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May 29, 2019 17:07
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god i dunno what to play now. so many classes look great, dancer looks amazing. PLD looks absolutely fantastic. and GBR looks awesome too.
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Oh yeah, I will miss roused fairy a lot tho. Rouse was great in situations where you wanted extra healing output on non-single target.
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5.1 patch notes: The healer role has been eliminated. Scholar is now a tank and whm and ast are now DPS. Healing will be done by an NPC companion using the trust system. Please look forward to it.
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DizzyBum posted:I really want to get my hands on new MCH and play around with it. Man I'm so glad I have everything at 70 right now. Yeah I forgot to account for FT tick rate so actually it's good for aoe.  Queen attacks outside of Piledriver count towards WF, so when you include 7 Arm Punches from Queen that's 5050 potency for a Wildfire cycle not inclusive of oGCDs. Extra bonus lol: Flamethrower is now a weapon skill so if every tick counts as a separate WS instance for Wildfire it will be the best thing to use during WF. Highly unlikely to be true, but would be very funny if it was.
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Hogama posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKxXmaJ-iJg I appreciate Alphinaud walking very, very slowly across the gap while Alisaie books it and Thancred just GUN-Plunges across.
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SCH took a hit in terms of offensive capabilities, which I can understand might be annoying, but WHM and AST are largely unchanged in that area and I don’t understand why everyone is so butthurt? Like WHM lost their AoE dot, but is basically the same rotation otherwise? You get a new ability in there too. AST is effectively the same too, cards are the biggest change and while a little odd, feels like a better direction than the current cards where most of them suck.
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part of why this is so bad and poorly thought out is that there hasnt been a new healer in 2 years or whatever because they wanted to rebalance the existing ones. they did that by making them all exactly the same with 1 defining gimmick (except whm and sch are the same (aetherflow == lilies))
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May 29, 2019 17:27
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Leal posted:They also kept scathe. Yeah but that does *something*. Blizzard 2 doesn't need to exist when Freeze does.
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May 29, 2019 17:28
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I appreciate for Wildfire now my only job is to spam one specific weapon skill, instead of having to perform a very specific button sequence with very important OGCD weaving. Taking Ricochet and Gauss Shot off of Wildfire and giving them three charges is going to relax the rotation significantly for me.
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Oxyclean posted:Dancer is aiming: This feels silly because there's no reason to have two sets of three DPS jobs sharing a geartype and two DPS jobs that each have their own gear drops. Token economy when
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May 29, 2019 17:28
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me: stumbles into the thread knocking over furniture and falling like kramer running into jerry's apartment ARE THE RUMORS TRUE CAN I FINALLY CAST 20% MORE COMBUST?
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Ibblebibble posted:Extra bonus lol: Flamethrower is now a weapon skill so if every tick counts as a separate WS instance for Wildfire it will be the best thing to use during WF. Highly unlikely to be true, but would be very funny if it was. I noticed that and was thinking the same thing. It would be very appropriate for Flamethrower to be the best thing to use to strengthen the "slow-burning pitch". I am very excited for MCH.
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Minrad posted:best thing to do is just to keep playing if you still like/want to like the game, but actually main swap. play tank or dps for an expansion, or at least the intro. if the feedback is drastically bad enough they'll panic fix it like they did whm/sch at the start of SB. That's my worry, all of the changes they made to healers seem extremely deliberate and I can't see anything other than some number fiddling going forward. 4.0 SCH mostly needed numbers tweaks and a spammable AoE, and even 3.0 AST was mostly numbers and some crappy cards from what I understand. All of the healer adjustments going into 5.0 seem to be entirely dedicated to reducing choice and the potential to screw up, at the cost of basically rounding off the quirks and unique features of the individual jobs. Some people are fine if they're still reasonably effective in their role, and that's fine! But I really enjoy learning all the tricks you can pull with Scholar's million buttons, or mitigating RNG and getting extra miles out if buffs with AST's card and time buttons, and stuff like that is just about dead. Keep in mind they have trusts now, so unless Urianger Bot is useless, dungeon queues aren't going to be a factor. If it screws up Savage, and I wouldn't be surprised if this turns into Gordias 2 with the inevitable healer brain drain, that's only 3-4% of the community's most unpleasable members getting mad. If they're bound and determined to turn healers into plain oatmeal with three different colors of food dye, they can actually force it through now.
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New MCH actually looks very fun? Guess I need to start gobbling up the Aiming armor off Orbonne for style.
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I'm livid that Red Mage got all this button consolidation while Enochian, Fire IV, and Blizzard IV are all unaccountably still on separate buttons. What's up with RDM having two separate spells called "Veraero" and two separate spells called "Verthunder"? Is that a pending name change or something?
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Ferrinus posted:What's up with RDM having two separate spells called "Veraero" and two separate spells called "Verthunder"? Is that a pending name change or something? I'd assume/hope so.
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Ferrinus posted:I'm livid that Red Mage got all this button consolidation while Enochian, Fire IV, and Blizzard IV are all unaccountably still on separate buttons. To be fair, basic BLM rotation is literally 6 buttons, at level 70 RDM had more than that in just procs I think. They really should remove enochian and consolidate the skills already tho.
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Previously you would cast combust II four times and think "i just can't keep this up, I've only got mana for fourty eight more casts of combust!" But by god your world will turn upside down when you realize you can fit in another whole twelve combust III casts in Shadowbringers, this summer. Please look forward to it.
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Ferrinus posted:What's up with RDM having two separate spells called "Veraero" and two separate spells called "Verthunder"? Is that a pending name change or something? I want to say there is something that changes veraero/thunder into their AOE counterparts, but I'm not seeing anything in the tooltips about it. I DO see that veraero/thunder are changed into verflare/holy when you do your melee combo, so thats cool.
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Ouhei posted:SCH took a hit in terms of offensive capabilities, which I can understand might be annoying, but WHM and AST are largely unchanged in that area and I don’t understand why everyone is so butthurt? The healer changes just pale in comparison to what everyone else is getting and it's not exciting. It's more like being handed a peanut butter sandwich, when everyone around you got a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with banana slices and they cut the nasty crust off. In play we won't know how stuff feels until we're actually doing it I guess. Only so much you can get from a video and how stuff plays in groups is what I'm more interested in. But I do not fault healer mains for being a little bit saucy today.
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yoshida p must hang for these actual, genuine Gamer Crimes
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Truga posted:To be fair, basic BLM rotation is literally 6 buttons, at level 70 RDM had more than that in just procs I think. They really should remove enochian and consolidate the skills already tho. Yeah but you now need to fit Xenoglossy, Despair, and Umbral Soul into easy-to-reach places and only have the space freed up by, what, Manashift and maybe Erase? I guess Break and Drain are also gone but it's not like anyone'd put those on comfortable hotkeys to start with. I do really like the fact that maxed out astral/umbral just plain makes spells of the opposite aspect free (so you can always finish an astral cycle with Flare or a Flare equivalent), and the fact that Freeze now gives you a Heart such that it's a natural inclusion into the AoE rotation. But there's still basic QoL changes crying out to be made!
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Dragoon is practically unchanged but does flashy stuff slightly more often I'm sold that's all I really wanted
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As a WHM main who just finished HW, I am glad my class didn't get revamped too much. It looks pretty neat! (Though, I don't really feel the urge to level AST anymore, which is kind of a bummer)
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Leal posted:I want to say there is something that changes veraero/thunder into their AOE counterparts, but I'm not seeing anything in the tooltips about it. I don't think this is the case because in YoshiP's preview they were separate buttons.
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From observing the dungeon run, I didn’t appear that there was significantly more damage going out than usual. Occasional raid damage to punish screwing up mechanics with a little time for good healers to fix mistakes, tanks taking appreciable damage if they don’t cooldown, but nothing so fast that you have to be prehealing lest they die in the intervening 6 seconds. I think SCH is still gonna be the king of off global healing, even more so now with their super fairy. It’s just that in between all that you’re gonna have one button to press for aoe forever instead of the more invoked dots to bane thing. Make of that what you will. I imagine high end SCH will still be working on pressing adlo or succor as little as possible.
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Emalde posted:This feels silly because there's no reason to have two sets of three DPS jobs sharing a geartype and two DPS jobs that each have their own gear drops. I was honestly expecting one of the system changes this expansion to be some sort of gear revamp to consolidate melee into 1 or 2 geartypes, but I guess they don't want to mess with visuals too much? Kurieg posted:I presume there's some way(probably via macro) to turn Freeze into "Cast this at my target's location why is there even a targeting circle who designed this shitshow of a spell"? I heard that's the way it works now (at a target by default, no circle) but there ways to macro aoe circles to cast at target as well.
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