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flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

quebec solidaire already exists

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MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

flakeloaf posted:

quebec solidaire already exists

And I already vote for them.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
I have to say that Trudeau's dumping of electoral reform is looking like the bungle of a century

karmas a bitch

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

RBC posted:

I have to say that Trudeau's dumping of electoral reform is looking like the bungle of a century

karmas a bitch

Good. gently caress them. Can't wait to give every Liberal candidate I see a gloating earful about it.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
uh, remember the union discussion a few pages back? a major canadian union is urging it's members to either vote liberal and as a second resort to vote green and not to trust the federal ndp so lol

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
who is that, unifor? they always do that poo poo

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Trudeau's electoral reform boondoggle has forever soured the Liberal party for me. Not to imply that they were particularly good prior to that but you know, poo poo sandwich, douche bag.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Colonel Cancer posted:

Trudeau's electoral reform boondoggle has forever soured the Liberal party for me. Not to imply that they were particularly good prior to that but you know, poo poo sandwich, douche bag.

Yup. It was a once in a generation opportunity and they pissed it away.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave



FB sponsored content getting weird and frankly problematic

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

RBC posted:

I have to say that Trudeau's dumping of electoral reform is looking like the bungle of a century

karmas a bitch

Can't he do it quickly before the elections are called?

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
no way the senate would let a elections bill pass now

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
I’ve already talked to my local liberal candidate about my gripe with not following through with PR at my doorstep. Bungle of the 2015 term indeed given the rise in right wing populism

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe
How bad can Scheer really be? I mean, awful, obviously, but is he hell bent on privatizing everything?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
isn't he the one with the religious right backing that's unwilling ot say he won't reopen the abortion debate?

so, real loving bad, notably worse than stephen harper

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

RBC posted:

who is that, unifor? they always do that poo poo

yes

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

autism ZX spectrum posted:

How bad can Scheer really be? I mean, awful, obviously, but is he hell bent on privatizing everything?

every conservative these days is hell bent on privatizing everything, the real question is whether he's an insane libertarian or an insane fundamentalist

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

vyelkin posted:

the real question is whether he's an insane libertarian or an insane fundamentalist

the answer is "yes"

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
i think the conservative want to spend a majority term or two finishing what harper started before they will start attacking anything super-divisive like abortion or re-criminalizing pot

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
why? who would stop them?

Eox
Jun 20, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
under harper the cons may have done everything the machiavellian way, but today they're gonna look to the south and see that they can do whatever the gently caress they want

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Fingers crossed for a short living minority government that kicks out trudeau and jagmeet and ushers in full socialism now under ??? Nikki ashton?

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

infernal machines posted:

why? who would stop them?

they cant really do the same thing as whats happening in the states, they need to continue chipping away at the federal governments power and make everything shittier so people lose faith in public insituitions

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
i'm talking about the thing that's happening in ontario, like, right now

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

DariusLikewise posted:

i think the conservative want to spend a majority term or two finishing what harper started before they will start attacking anything super-divisive like abortion or re-criminalizing pot

hard disagree

conservatives these days are all about immediately using the maximum power of the state to do whatever they want

it's "the left" that thinks they have to play it safe and go slow with their changes to ease people into them, the conservatives just railroad everything through, steamroller any opposition, and then say "what? it'll take you ten years to undo what we just did in six months, and by then we'll be back in power anyway"

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
I'm gonna start a new party called the "Eat the Rich Party" and my platform will consist entirely of spite and hatred at the fuckers who've been ruining our lives.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

MonsieurChoc posted:

I'm gonna start a new party called the "Eat the Rich Party" and my platform will consist entirely of spite and hatred at the fuckers who've been ruining our lives.

Would probably do better than the NDP are about to.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

MonsieurChoc posted:

I'm gonna start a new party called the "Eat the Rich Party" and my platform will consist entirely of spite and hatred at the fuckers who've been ruining our lives.

"Make the Rich Pay"

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels ... upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop!

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe
The really poo poo part is that as usual there are 3+ left leaning parties and a single conservative one. With the electoral system the way it is it's super discouraging to even bother voting in a province like Manitoba because by the time we cast our ballots everything is pretty much decided.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

vyelkin posted:

hard disagree

conservatives these days are all about immediately using the maximum power of the state to do whatever they want

it's "the left" that thinks they have to play it safe and go slow with their changes to ease people into them, the conservatives just railroad everything through, steamroller any opposition, and then say "what? it'll take you ten years to undo what we just did in six months, and by then we'll be back in power anyway"

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

trudeau's sole saving grace is that scheer is a yawning void of anti-charisma

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


oh yeah a loving banker that's who we need

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Yinlock posted:

trudeau's sole saving grace is that scheer is a yawning void of anti-charisma

I don't think that's going to make a difference. I remind you this is the man who ruled Canada for a decade:

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Rutibex posted:

I don't think that's going to make a difference. I remind you this is the man who ruled Canada for a decade:

that's fair, just saying that trudeau isn't out of the game yet

clash of the mediocre titans

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

autism ZX spectrum posted:

The really poo poo part is that as usual there are 3+ left leaning parties and a single conservative one. With the electoral system the way it is it's super discouraging to even bother voting in a province like Manitoba because by the time we cast our ballots everything is pretty much decided.

Just fyi referring to the Liberals as left is a bannable offense in these parts

Alizee
Mar 2, 2006

"Heaven"

Rutibex posted:

I don't think that's going to make a difference. I remind you this is the man who ruled Canada for a decade:

I dunno man, when Harper was in a suit and talking business it seemed realistic. Anytime I listen to sheer he just looks like a manboy roleplaying a politician.

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe
I'm speaking strictly in theoretical terms. It's actually pretty dire for anyone who wants to vote left without choosing a party that will obviously never come to power. Has there ever been an actual leftist party in Canada? I don't remember a single actual good social policy coming from the Liberals as long as I can remember.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

vyelkin posted:

hard disagree

conservatives these days are all about immediately using the maximum power of the state to do whatever they want

it's "the left" that thinks they have to play it safe and go slow with their changes to ease people into them, the conservatives just railroad everything through, steamroller any opposition, and then say "what? it'll take you ten years to undo what we just did in six months, and by then we'll be back in power anyway"

even with a federal majority their hands would be tied on a lot of stuff unless they decided the wanted open the charter. i can definitely see scheer continuing the harper path though and probably doing the following

- privatizing/dissolving canada post and purolator
- cut cbc news completely and just focus on tv shows and whatever entertainment cancon bullshit
- raise election fund raising limits
- limit provincial transfer raises or just flatline them completely

keep attacking institutions they hate and keep downloading more responsibilities to provinces, that way they can cut access to things like ford is doing instead of doing it visibility and crosscountry as a federal government

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

infernal machines posted:

why? who would stop them?

the courts

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Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

MonsieurChoc posted:

Can't he do it quickly before the elections are called?

DariusLikewise posted:

no way the senate would let a elections bill pass now


+ also bureaucratically speaking Elections Canada thinks it needs like ~2 years to switch election systems

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