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TheWevel posted:I would be surprised if Nissan existed in 3-5 years. They will die but keep moving through sheer momentum.
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Major motion...from Nissan
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May 29, 2019 22:00
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TheWevel posted:I would be surprised if Nissan existed in 3-5 years. look if mitsu has hung on as long as they have...nissan is probably ok
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May 29, 2019 22:09
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Nissan will survive as long as they can poo poo out 50 million rogues a year
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May 29, 2019 22:12
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You guys calling Nissan's death knells are probably underestimating fleet sales in the US. Pretty sure rental car companies are the largest single source of new auto sales in the US and rental lots are absolutely full of depressing lowest-trim Sentras and Rogues. They are by far the most common make I see regularly at rental lots when I travel for business.
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May 29, 2019 22:12
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Something Offal posted:You guys calling Nissan's death knells are probably underestimating fleet sales in the US. Pretty sure rental car companies are the largest single source of new auto sales in the US and rental lots are absolutely full of depressing lowest-trim Sentras and Rogues. They are by far the most common make I see regularly at rental lots when I travel for business. Rental sales in the US are about 2 million units (out of ~16.X million total). But they're a low margin dumping ground for OEMs. poo poo ends up there because nobody else wants to buy it. There are a couple of exceptions of OEMs who are trying to raise brand profile with consumers and are pushing units in to fleets - VW did this in the early 2010s, and Mazda is doing it now. But the vast majority of stuff is there because it's cheap aging inventory that no dealer wanted to allocate.
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May 29, 2019 22:20
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Nissan sells a shitload of vehicles globally and are, despite not making anything that's particularly good, generally also competent. They aren't going anywhere, they have a market niche that's not desirable from the points of view of those in this thread, but it's a very real and important niche in the real world. And the Supra has seriously grown on me as I've seen more of it, especially in video. It helps learning that all the fake vents are actually fully functional real vents which are covered with easily removed panels since the car doesn't really need all that extra cooling in stock form on the street, since black plastic inserts aside they look good.
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May 29, 2019 22:20
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I agree Nissan is circling the wagons and retrenching to Japan, but it's stupid. At this point they need a partner more than ever. I can't help but think that Nissan's long--term plan, good, bad, or otherwise, was to pull out of the Alliance with Mitsubishi in tow as the partner.
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May 29, 2019 22:26
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Wheeee posted:Nissan sells a shitload of vehicles globally and are, despite not making anything that's particularly good, generally also competent. They aren't going anywhere, they have a market niche that's not desirable from the points of view of those in this thread, but it's a very real and important niche in the real world. This is from two weeks ago: https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/ceo-nissan-performance-hitting-rock-bottom And I should note that was pre-FCA/Renault merger announcement.
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May 29, 2019 22:27
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The GR Supra is getting some keyboard warrior hate for being “just a rebadged bmw” but in reality, regardless of where it’s components come from or who stuck their badge on the bodywork, the thing is loving fast for $60k. People are saying they would rather have an M2 Comp. Sure, for another $30k I guess it might be a better car but it isn’t any faster.
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May 29, 2019 22:34
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There are $60k M2s out there, aren't there?
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May 29, 2019 22:36
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Rental sales in the US are about 2 million units (out of ~16.X million total). But they're a low margin dumping ground for OEMs. poo poo ends up there because nobody else wants to buy it. There are a couple of exceptions of OEMs who are trying to raise brand profile with consumers and are pushing units in to fleets - VW did this in the early 2010s, and Mazda is doing it now. But the vast majority of stuff is there because it's cheap aging inventory that no dealer wanted to allocate. Well that explains all the Mitsubishi Eclipse Crosses that suddenly appeared in rental fleets in the last couple months
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May 29, 2019 22:49
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Yeah the M2 comp is 58,900 with 6MT. It’s another 2900 for DCT. Supra is 50k-53k with the launch edition at 55k.
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May 29, 2019 22:50
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TheWevel posted:I would be surprised if Nissan existed in 3-5 years.
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Modus Man posted:The GR Supra is getting some keyboard warrior hate for being “just a rebadged bmw” but in reality, regardless of where it’s components come from or who stuck their badge on the bodywork, the thing is loving fast for $60k. where are the 90k m2 comps at
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May 29, 2019 23:04
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TheWevel posted:I would be surprised if Nissan existed in 3-5 years. The Rogue was the #2 best selling suv in the United States last year and isI selling even faster now. They're not going anywhere.
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May 29, 2019 23:16
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There is a huge market for everyone not purchasing upscale vehicles and you're watching manufacutrers pick which side they want to cater to. Nissan is firmly entrenched in the lower tier.
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May 29, 2019 23:22
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Nissan is dreadfully boring but make "fine" cheap cars in most segments, and are still huge globally and in the US. They are a big dumb corporation with bad management but they aren't going anywhere any time soon. Rightfully so, no one in AI cares about any of their products because they don't lead any class on anything except price, especially for subprime financing. It's poo poo-tier business but there's a whoooooole lot of people in that segment.
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EnergizerFellow posted:I can't help but think that Nissan's long--term plan, good, bad, or otherwise, was to pull out of the Alliance with Mitsubishi in tow as the partner. At least there were some nominal synergies between Nissan and Renault. I never understood the Mitsubishi thing.
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May 30, 2019 00:13
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Nissan seem to be on a winner in Australia with their SUVs and Navara ute. Same with Mitsubishi with their SUVs and Triton ute. In fact Mitsubishi outsold Ford in Australia last year
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May 30, 2019 00:15
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:At least there were some nominal synergies between Nissan and Renault. I never understood the Mitsubishi thing. Mitsubishi alone might have been just allowed to die/be bought by Geely, but Nissan-Mitsubishi is certainly too big for the Japanese government to let fail.
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BraveUlysses posted:where are the 90k m2 comps at Oops!!! I must have been thinking of M3 comp pricing. Looks like brand new m2 comps are going for low 60s. In that case, I’d rather have the m2, too.
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Nissan is probably the best compromise between "cheap" and "reliable" for most people, and their trucks are a good deal since they're simple, robust, and dirt fuckin cheap Person A looks at a Sentra interior and is aghast at the sea of ugly tupperware plastic, person B looks at a Sentra interior and thinks heck yea this will be easy to clean
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I think in the Nissan minivan, the second and third row seats are options so it undercuts the competition on base price. That probably makes it a viable choice for a business work vehicle as well.
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May 30, 2019 07:07
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Who the gently caress cares about Nissan 
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As Nero Danced posted:I think in the Nissan minivan, the second and third row seats are options so it undercuts the competition on base price. That probably makes it a viable choice for a business work vehicle as well. nissan no longer sells a minivan
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fridge corn posted:Who the gently caress cares about Nissan Nice corvette.
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Elmnt80 posted:Nice corvette. *said with complete sincerity*
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BraveUlysses posted:nissan no longer sells a minivan the NV3500 is a work van but you can configure it with passenger benches
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Wheeee posted:Nissan is probably the best compromise between "cheap" and "reliable" for most people, and their trucks are a good deal since they're simple, robust, and dirt fuckin cheap If you're looking at a Sentra, you can't get decent financing terms on a Corolla, Civic, Cruze, Focus, or Golf.
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DonkeyHotay posted:*said with complete sincerity* 
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May 30, 2019 15:29
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I've been driving a 2004 Twingo and it is not a great car by many metrics, but you do get a way better interior space to size ratio than modern cars, and the visibility is incredible.I can turn my head and see out of the sides and back!
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pointsofdata posted:not a great car by many metrics, but you do get a way better interior space to size ratio than modern cars, and the visibility is incredible.I can turn my head and see out of the sides and back! Some of that visibility and carved out space comes from packaging that doesn't maximize safety. I dunno if NCAP has changed much since 2003, but it only scored 3 stars back then. Video looks like it would do pretty poorly in small overlap.
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kimbo305 posted:Some of that visibility and carved out space comes from packaging that doesn't maximize safety. I dunno if NCAP has changed much since 2003, but it only scored 3 stars back then. This is like the least AI post I've seen in a while.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:This is like the least AI post I've seen in a while. Hey, don't forget that I drove a 1974 Lotus Europa in the last couple years.
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Any of you insiders know when the 2020 Explorers will hit the lots? Probably late June/early July I would guess. I bought my MY17 in July 2016, but sometimes a new model comes out a little later.
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skipdogg posted:Any of you insiders know when the 2020 Explorers will hit the lots? Probably late June/early July I would guess. I bought my MY17 in July 2016, but sometimes a new model comes out a little later. They're already in transit. Dealers already have vins of the first ones they're getting. mostly $60k platinums and STs though.
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May 30, 2019 18:56
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Is official pricing info out on the Hybrids? I saw a headline saying the cheapest hybrid would be over $50k, but it was from a questionable source.
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Powershift posted:They're already in transit. Dealers already have vins of the first ones they're getting. mostly $60k platinums and STs though. Cool. Local dealer websites haven't loaded any of them yet. Sometimes I can see in transit vehicles on their website. Really want to go test drive an ST, but I'll probably wait for the 2021 model so they can shake the bugs out of everything. Still have to wrap my head around the ST pricing though. MSRP on my 2017 X-Sport was 54,5 and I paid quite a bit less than that after rebates and discounts.
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Powershift posted:They're already in transit. Dealers already have vins of the first ones they're getting. mostly $60k platinums and STs though. If that's what an explorer costs now, people can officially and forever stop whining about the fact there exists a $50k Golf.
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