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quote:The California bill, known as AB5, expands a groundbreaking California Supreme Court decision last month known as Dynamex. The ruling and the bill instruct businesses to use the so-called “ABC test” to figure out whether a worker is an employee. To hire an independent contractor, businesses must prove that the worker (a) is free from the company’s control, (b) is doing work that isn’t central to the company’s business, and (c) has an independent business in that industry. If they don’t meet all three of those conditions, then they have to be classified as employees.
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see lyft will say having the uber app installed is having an independent business and vice versa
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May 31, 2019 13:58
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are they going to be able to argue that driving isn't central to uber's business though?
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May 31, 2019 14:20
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Uber is a tech company not a cab driving company duh
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May 31, 2019 14:23
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lancemantis posted:see lyft will say having the uber app installed is having an independent business and vice versa yep that said a lot of companies exploiting this loophole will have a harder time so it’ll still do a lot of good even if it doesn’t catch uber
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May 31, 2019 14:29
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obviously uber's in the clear since most of their revenue comes from vc funding
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May 31, 2019 14:31
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lancemantis posted:see lyft will say having the uber app installed is having an independent business and vice versa the trick is saying it to a judge whose re-election relies on the same money that makes lyft go
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May 31, 2019 14:32
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chestnut santabag posted:"The Colombia workers, who can each handle up to three robots, make less than $2 an hour, which is above the local minimum wage." But see, it's OK because the founders are Colombian!!!
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May 31, 2019 14:36
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Nfcknblvbl posted:obviously uber's in the clear since most of their revenue comes from vc funding we've never made any money off cars your honor, in fact we've never made any money at all 
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May 31, 2019 14:44
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uber is a nonprofit
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May 31, 2019 14:53
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Shame Boy posted:we've never made any money off cars your honor, in fact we've never made any money at all
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May 31, 2019 15:17
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Chalks posted:are they going to be able to argue that driving isn't central to uber's business though? yes, they have constantly argued they are just a marketplace for matching up riders and drivers
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May 31, 2019 15:23
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“The concept is ‘kawaii,’” a Japanese word for cute, said CEO Felipe Chavez, citing examples like Pokémon’s Pikachu character. “You create an authentic connection when people feel characters are very cute.”
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May 31, 2019 16:17
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a clever keikaku for a movie right there
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May 31, 2019 16:34
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thinking outside the kotoba
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May 31, 2019 16:36
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i hope the things have speakers and they make their columbian slave laborers put on a cutesy voice and say stuff like "h-here's your burrito senpai, uguu"
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May 31, 2019 16:40
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wait a secquote:On the ground in Berkeley, people also do a lot of robot support. Traveling at 1 to 1½ mph, the bots would take too long to chug to local restaurants, so Kiwi workers pick up the food at restaurants and take it via bikes or scooters to meeting spots around campus to insert into an insulated bag in the bots’ storage compartment. ... so why do you need the robots at all 
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May 31, 2019 16:42
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duz posted:yes, they have constantly argued they are just a marketplace for matching up riders and drivers i imagine the test for this would be if you remove these contractors, does your business continue to function
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May 31, 2019 16:43
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Shame Boy posted:... so why do you need the robots at all wow, so cool!
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May 31, 2019 16:50
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Chalks posted:i imagine the test for this would be if you remove these contractors, does your business continue to function They'd probably have their first profitable quarter
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May 31, 2019 16:58
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So this is different from the contractors who work in the Google goolags?
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May 31, 2019 17:00
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:So this is different from the contractors who work in the Google goolags? if I were googles lawyers, I'd argue that the contractors are not a core part of the business and are perhaps just a means of bootstrapping the machine learning algos with enough training data then I would drink myself into a stupor on my yacht and, ideally, fall off and drown
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May 31, 2019 17:06
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Shame Boy posted:wait a sec I don't think you fully understand their business model. Let me recap for you:
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May 31, 2019 17:19
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prisoner of waffles posted:if I were googles lawyers, I'd argue that the contractors are not a core part of the business and are perhaps just a means of bootstrapping the machine learning algos with enough training data i thought google gulags usually involved employees, just not of google google hires "Bob's Discount Indentured Servants" to handle something under google's direct supervision, Bob's hires people, and those people are "employees" but are not employees of google. they don't get misclassified as independent contractors. it's just that they don't get to put "google" on their resume, and google can hire a low-paid workforce that doesn't taint their image for their "real" workers
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May 31, 2019 17:27
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duz posted:yes, they have constantly argued they are just a marketplace for matching up riders and drivers i'd imagine that they're gonna get tripped up with the whole "controlled by the company" part, since the drivers don't actually get to set whatever rates they'd like, as you would be able to in a true marketplace sure the drivers have been shown to be gaming the rate multiplier near the airport, but that's not being able to flatly set prices like ebay allows you to ofc it's gonna go to scotus soon enough i'm sure
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May 31, 2019 17:30
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evilweasel posted:i thought google gulags usually involved employees, just not of google yes, this is correct
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May 31, 2019 17:33
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Shame Boy posted:wait a sec Dehumanizing the delivery staff, for nerds who are scared of other people
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May 31, 2019 17:37
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evilweasel posted:i thought google gulags usually involved employees, just not of google long term w2 contracting from "technology vendors" is 40-60% of all tech employees at any large company pretty much once it's cheaper to pay $100-150/hour for an employee [2/3 that for h1bs] than add to your fte headcount you end up with hundreds of contractors
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May 31, 2019 17:38
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:So this is different from the contractors who work in the Google goolags? Googlaged again!
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“The cute face initially attracted me; I like how it shows emotion,” he said. As a roboticist himself — he competes on the TV show “BattleBots” — he appreciates what’s under the hood as well, not to mention the daily deals Kiwi offers.
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May 31, 2019 17:47
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Suspicious Dish posted:“The cute face initially attracted me; I like how it shows emotion,” he said. As a roboticist himself — he competes on the TV show “BattleBots” — he appreciates what’s under the hood as well, not to mention the daily deals Kiwi offers. he's clearly describing the woman he's stalking rather than the robot
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May 31, 2019 17:54
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Shame Boy posted:wait a sec a human can't be present for the actual delivery, but they can haul rear end on a bike and stuff a bot before it meanders down the block
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May 31, 2019 17:57
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"I like how the thing delivering my food has a face, unlike those pesky humans" says Dr. BattleBot.
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May 31, 2019 18:01
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infernal machines posted:uber is a no-profit
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May 31, 2019 18:04
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JawnV6 posted:it's like a clever inversion of the last mile problem, they've invented the first mile problem the "all but the last mile" problem or well more like "all but the last 1000 feet" problem because apparently they only putter along at one mile per hour so if they're going to get to you within any sort of reasonable timeframe you better be right next door already.
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May 31, 2019 18:09
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robotics is one thing that I thought would be way further ahead than it currently is when I was a kid
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May 31, 2019 18:10
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gently caress robots i just want a future with pneumatic tubes to everybody's houses can some stupid startup get on that please? just put them on the power line poles, nothing can go wrong.
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May 31, 2019 18:11
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abigserve posted:robotics is one thing that I thought would be way further ahead than it currently is when I was a kid i mean i'd say the state of the art is pretty far ahead if you go based on the horrifying murder machines with swords for legs that boston dynamics made, it's just the price hasn't really come down much for anything consumer-grade so they're still relegated to factories and unholy secret military projects
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https://twitter.com/Clairvoire/status/1051241572791128065
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i had this exact reaction when watching the flea video for the first time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b4ZZQkcNEo "oh it's an adorable little rc car, isn't that cute. wait what's it doing... oh it can jump up little steps, neat... wait now what's it- OH GOD" like just put a saw blade on that thing and you have something close to a manhack
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