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Raskolnikov38 posted:
Well now it's all racists. It just used to be most or, in lean times, many
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:I'm sure this has been asked but does anyone have recommendations for books about how the Soviet economy and government worked? farm to factory is really good, as is economic problems of socialism in the ussr. human rights in the soviet union, is the red flag flying? and socialism betrayed are also pretty short and info-dense. that last one sounds like a trotskyist jeremiad from the title but don't let that discourage you, it's good.
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Yeah, it looked exactly like Split 3 but you can never be sure. The neighbourhood was the subject of one episode of a Croatian documentary series (Slumbering concrete/Betonski spavači) which deals with ex-Yu architecture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkDH8bYNy7k No english subs but you can look at the pretty buildings. Doktor Avalanche fucked around with this message at 23:45 on May 31, 2019 |
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May 31, 2019 23:43
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I havent been to most of the Balkans but Belgrade's mix of medieval and communist is really neat Also full of racists
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the Balkans are really looking up now that the communists are gone,
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are there a bunch of succinct reasons that India never experienced a revolution? like off the top of my head i would assign blame towards neoliberal dipshits like the Ghandi Family as wells as religious limpdicks like the RSS but they're just a bunch of guillotine-bait losers but I've definitely spoken to congress people who earnestly believe in socialism and obviously the CPI is still a potent force in the right regions what are the broader reasons
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caste a facebook arguefriend of mine is a Patel that thinks he is genetically predisposed to be a hotel owner. poo poo's weird i say swears online fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Top City Homo posted:capitalism with a human face I mean actual market socialism, not socdem
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i say swears online posted:caste I guess that's not so different from how racism in the US has been a huge impediment to the collective organization of the working class there
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Larry Parrish posted:i can never figure out how market socialism is meaningfully different than just regular Soviet communism or straight up liberal capitalism. Market economy where the firms are socialist, i.e. worker-owned. Also to avoid rent-seeking all non-residential land would probably have to be publicly held and you'd have some kind of subsidization of costs to starting a business to replace investment.
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Jun 1, 2019 07:36
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That didn't go so well in Yugoslavia.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Market economy where the firms are socialist, i.e. worker-owned. Also to avoid rent-seeking all non-residential land would probably have to be publicly held and you'd have some kind of subsidization of costs to starting a business to replace investment. so its communism then.
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Grevling posted:That didn't go so well in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia's economic problems don't seem to have been caused by market socialism itself Larry Parrish posted:so its communism then. Not Soviet-style, because it involves self-management and decentralization
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Mr. Lobe posted:I guess that's not so different from how racism in the US has been a huge impediment to the collective organization of the working class there yyyyyep, as long as there's an out-group that you ostensibly have life better than, then there is no reason to get too mad about the status quo
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Jewel Repetition posted:Market economy where the firms are socialist, i.e. worker-owned. Also to avoid rent-seeking all non-residential land would probably have to be publicly held and you'd have some kind of subsidization of costs to starting a business to replace investment. this is literally china lmao
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R. Guyovich posted:this is literally china lmao China has a stock market dipshit
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smarxist posted:yyyyyep, as long as there's an out-group that you ostensibly have life better than, then there is no reason to get too mad about the status quo I've always liked the way Frederick Douglass put it: “The hostility between the whites and the Blacks of the South is easily explained…both are plundered by the same plunderers…and it was incited on both sides by the poor whites and the Blacks by putting enmity between them. They divided both to conquer each.”
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the take away i got from this is that market socialism is soviet communism when you dont want to use the c word because you're a pussy afraid of conflicting with liberals.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I've always liked the way Frederick Douglass put it: Institutional racism was invented specifically to prevent class unity
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yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me if the caste system was the contrivance of some Indian royal family way back when to keep the peasant rabble in line. I bet someone has written about that, does anyone ITT have any marxist analyses of the caste system an its origins? that would probably be worth knowing about
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Mr. Lobe posted:yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me if the caste system was the contrivance of some Indian royal family way back when to keep the peasant rabble in line. I bet someone has written about that, does anyone ITT have any marxist analyses of the caste system an its origins? that would probably be worth knowing about The Annihilation of Caste, by BR Ambedkar. Get the annotated version by Arundhati Roy
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gradenko_2000 posted:The Annihilation of Caste, by BR Ambedkar. Get the annotated version by Arundhati Roy thanks, I'll do that
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Jewel Repetition posted:I mean actual market socialism, not socdem market socialism would be better than the current system. The issue is that market socialists do not want to go further than de-feudalizing the market. It's not a transitional stage for communism for market socialists. That's a problem. Mature capitalists economies need less market and more planning.
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Jewel Repetition posted:China has a stock market dipshit You're really stupid sometimes.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Yugoslavia's economic problems don't seem to have been caused by market socialism itself Uhh buddy a large part of why yugoslavia fell apart so spectacularly was all it's international debt that was necessitated by it's participation in the global market
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Dreddout posted:Uhh buddy a large part of why yugoslavia fell apart so spectacularly was all it's international debt that was necessitated by it's participation in the global market same could be said of the USSR. yugoslavia's self management system worked pretty well until the 70s, also like the USSR. I think the problems were mostly due to political stagnation in both countries
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Karl Barks posted:same could be said of the USSR. yugoslavia's self management system worked pretty well until the 70s, also like the USSR. I think the problems were mostly due to political stagnation in both countries USSR didn't have near as much debt by comparison, it wasn't as dependent on foreign markets and it's collapse wasn't as explosive as yugoslavia's they aren't really comparable in that regard.
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Dreddout posted:Uhh buddy a large part of why yugoslavia fell apart so spectacularly was all it's international debt that was necessitated by it's participation in the global market entire yugoslavia had $19b external debt in 1991. for comparison, the tiniest ex-yu country slovenia today has 42b euros external debt and it's somehow not falling apart
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tag yourselves I'm the economic system of democratic centralism https://m.facebook.com/DefinitionsOfTankie/photos/a.166000804010663/382182952392446/?type=3&source=48
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im marz
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i say swears online posted:tag yourselves I'm the economic system of democratic centralism  Great av material:  
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:Great av material: lmao
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i demand that the tankie flag has a T-55 on it
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I don’t understand the flag joke. 
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t understand the flag joke. It's a blue lives matter stripe. Itd be better if the flag was red instead of black
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:It's a blue lives matter stripe. Itd be better if the flag was red instead of black ohhhhhh. I only saw those back in my hometown on little bumper stickers and yard signs, not up close.
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:It's a blue lives matter stripe. Itd be better if the flag was red instead of black if it were red, it would be the flag of the armenian ssr.
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GoluboiOgon posted:if it were red, it would be the flag of the armenian ssr. my god its the perfect cover for the armenian mafia
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blue lives matter comrade da? now buy these tax-free cigarettes
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