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Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Helsing posted:

Based on the Green party's actions in government I really don't see why we should want to give them a permanent place in the legislature honestly. I think progressives really fetishize proportional representation as some kind of panacea for our problems when the truth is most of the actions we need the government to be taking right now are likely to be deeply unpopular and will, if anything, be hindered by a more representative political system.

I feel like a lot of beloved progressive ideas like basic income and proportional representation basically exist as substitutes for real policy solutions. "If we just had more democracy and more purchasing power then the economy and political system would function the way they are supposed to!" is a dream and its time we woke up from that dream.

Oh yah, Weaver is scum and an idiot, and I'm pissed Horgan was willing to delay minimum wage increase to appease him. At least it looks like they are fooling him on deregulation to help Uber, so far. I just wish Horgan would take more of a lesson from Dave Barrett and govern more desperately. They're not gonna be able to rely on Wilkinson being a total clown forever!

I'm with you on UBI, it sounds like a nightmare, but I would like voting reform, just to see what it's be like. I don't think it solve anything by itself necessarily.

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Blood Boils posted:

Oh yah, Weaver is scum and an idiot, and I'm pissed Horgan was willing to delay minimum wage increase to appease him. At least it looks like they are fooling him on deregulation to help Uber, so far. I just wish Horgan would take more of a lesson from Dave Barrett and govern more desperately. They're not gonna be able to rely on Wilkinson being a total clown forever!

I'm with you on UBI, it sounds like a nightmare, but I would like voting reform, just to see what it's be like. I don't think it solve anything by itself necessarily.

the thing about voting reform is it instantly solves like two problems that people love to gripe about, which are strategic voting and voters stuck in dead zones where they know their vote won't matter (socialists in Alberta, conservatives in downtown Toronto), but the parties would pretty obviously just change the way they operate and settle into a new status quo based on the new voting trends (for example, a permanent Liberal-Conservative unofficial coalition with them rotating who's prime minister based on whoever won the most votes last election) and there's no guarantee that status quo wouldn't suck just as much as the current one

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Helsing posted:

As much as I hate the media bailout I will never forget how one of Jesse Brown's big complaints about the idea of bailing out newspapers was that as a small business owner he was looking forward to the chance to hire journalists for cheap when their current jobs exploded and he didn't appreciate the government making that harder with subsidies. It sucks that the only real media criticism we have in Canada is some libertarian jerkoff who spends half of every episode selling mattresses and Keurigs.
remember when they launched a "Canadian Chapo Trap House" and it's just a red Tory who thinks yelling a lot will make her lazy attempts at trolling any funnier

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

incontinence 100 posted:

I don't understand why anyone would waste time listening to a podcast about Canadian politics.
i'd listen to something that gives weekly updates of provincial politics, given Ontario's straight-ahead march towards the far right and Alberta's return to tory government. hell, i'd love one about state politics here in the US

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

vyelkin posted:

the thing about voting reform is it instantly solves like two problems that people love to gripe about, which are strategic voting and voters stuck in dead zones where they know their vote won't matter (socialists in Alberta, conservatives in downtown Toronto), but the parties would pretty obviously just change the way they operate and settle into a new status quo based on the new voting trends (for example, a permanent Liberal-Conservative unofficial coalition with them rotating who's prime minister based on whoever won the most votes last election) and there's no guarantee that status quo wouldn't suck just as much as the current one

Strategic voting is just so, so stupid, this said, I am strategically voting in October.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Fashionable Jorts posted:

Lol I didn't think I could dislike this little shitweasel more, but here we go. Every couple weeks I get some mail dropped off thats basically if a facebook meme your racist uncle shared was written by someone paid by the word.

Great news!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ashamed-cooper-suri-committee-chaos-1.5156624

quote:

A parliamentary committee exploring online hate descended into chaos this week after a Conservative MP told a Muslim witness he should be "ashamed" after he drew a link between "conservative commentators" and the online history of mosque shooter Alexandre Bissonnette.

He's an even bigger piece of poo poo than you could ever have imagined!

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

he read the Christchurch terrorist's manifesto into the record. totally-not-a-nazi level: expert

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

guys. guys. GUYS. Jon Kay still uses a Blackberry
https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1134523282286370816

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

vyelkin posted:

the thing about voting reform is it instantly solves like two problems that people love to gripe about, which are strategic voting and voters stuck in dead zones where they know their vote won't matter (socialists in Alberta, conservatives in downtown Toronto), but the parties would pretty obviously just change the way they operate and settle into a new status quo based on the new voting trends (for example, a permanent Liberal-Conservative unofficial coalition with them rotating who's prime minister based on whoever won the most votes last election) and there's no guarantee that status quo wouldn't suck just as much as the current one

For sure, and that's probably my root motivation for supporting it: to convince peeps to just vote for the candidate they like the most out of their options (ideally for policy more than personality but w/e) instead of tricking themselves out it.

Like your gonna be pissed off anyways, no need to add to it

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Rutibex posted:

i agree, the rabble must be controlled. we should bring back the property qualifications to vote to further enhance the governments effectiveness. maybe even absolute monarchy.

Given all the invisible constraints on our "democracy" and the pathetically low voter participation rates of the poor and the young who can say our election outcomes would even be that different if we had explicit property requirements for voting? It's not as though anyone in politics currently gives a poo poo about the 30% or so of the electorate who don't own their homes.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
49th Parahell is an alright canpol podcast, from what little I listened to. There was a good episode on the Quebec elections.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
bUt CaNaDa Is A cArBoN sInK

https://twitter.com/jessejenkins/status/1134673872052260866?s=21

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
forests are only a carbon sink as long as they aren't on fire

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
BuT wE hAvE sO mUcH wAtEr

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
cardon diocalypse

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

vyelkin posted:

forests are only a carbon sink as long as they aren't on fire

And they soak the forests in weed killer to kill fire-retardant trees so they don't displace the timber industry's beloved conifers, which are highly flammable

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


oh thank christ the winds shifted I could only see buildings like 3 blocks today, but I could see clear smoke in the hallways of my building, which attaches to a major trauma center. Sitting in my office, like a camp fire with no smores.

Totally normal day and world

Amicus curiae
May 31, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Why do 'average Canadians' still trust that no, Conservatives don't get their walking orders from the 666 Super Rich?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Amicus curiae posted:

Why do 'average Canadians' still trust that no, Conservatives don't get their walking orders from the 666 Super Rich?

they don't think about it

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


vyelkin posted:

they don't think about it


They think about it, THEY DON'T CARE.

Most of them are single-issue voters, be it pipelines, abortion, or owning the libs.

"so if i vote for you, you're going to cut taxes, feign financial problems, and then destroy the medical system keeping me alive? well, that sucks, but at least you're gonna electrocute the gays away, right? you got my vote"

There's also the incredible stupidity leaking over the border. I've talked to my dad once in ~4 years, and within 5 minutes he went straight into Hillary Clinton's evil deeds and how Trump will "save us".

You can't imagine how stupid the average conservative voter is until you try to discuss anything with them without it turning into straight up conspiracy bullshit.

Salean
Mar 17, 2004

Homewrecker

The typical canadian is the guy in my classes from iran who wears a make canada great again hat, christian propaganda shirts, says trump is good for family values, and the libs are part of the post modern secular conspiracy

He got kicked from the program for telling his female supervisors at the hospital that he couldnt take them seriously because they were women

I'm looking forward to the tory majority

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
theres a chud guy who hangs around in the public lobby of the building I work in. always wearing a MAGA hat, always with one headphone in his ear, listening to infowars (or at least just keeping the logo up on the screen prominently displayed, like holding the phone weird to make it easier for passerby's to see.) the first few days i saw the guy in 2016/7 it was kinda funny, this rear end in a top hat just trolling people by wearing it. figured he had a gopro set up somewhere to get reactions.

But its 2019 now. Buddy's still there. same hat. Different shirt every few days, but basically always wearing the same redpill poo poo, doing the same thing, standing there in the middle of the lobby near the toronto financial district just... wearing a maga hat and making it very VERY clear this is INFOWARS not some snowflake podcast he's listening to

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
ndp: we are going to do marginally more to address climate change than the liberals

liberals:
https://twitter.com/cathmckenna/status/1134514699536687105?s=21

DariusLikewise has issued a correction as of 22:56 on Jun 1, 2019

Drunk Canuck
Jan 9, 2010

Robots ruin all the fun of a good adventure.

corporate profits are the most sacred parts of nature

incontinence 100
Dec 21, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
If you don't vote for us it means the conservatives will win. is a helluva election strategy.

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕
Remember this nerd?



https://twitter.com/CBCPolitics/status/1134235901901660166

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕
PS:

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕

incontinence 100 posted:

If you don't vote for us it means the conservatives will win. is a helluva election strategy.

This was the message in Educational Rapper, Baba Brinkman's 2011 hit rap, Don't Vote For Mean People.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHl_Oi-u7rs

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave


Guffawed out loud on public transit at this

Amicus curiae
May 31, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Canadians love their classical narcissist creep politicians. I see a promotion within the cons.

Entorwellian
Jun 30, 2006

Northern Flicker
Anna's Hummingbird

Sorry, but the people have spoken.




bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
lmaoooo holy gently caress thats so good

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
speaking of that squirrely gently caress

https://twitter.com/andrewscheer/status/1134980226604306432?s=21

https://twitter.com/andrewscheer/status/1134980227480850440?s=21

surprised the melted wax candle leading the cpc did something about it

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS
Smart, trying to regain the conservative Muslim vote Harper pissed away with his barbarian phone line

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

DariusLikewise posted:

ndp: we are going to do marginally more to address climate change than the liberals

liberals:
https://twitter.com/cathmckenna/status/1134514699536687105?s=21

you could say it's... a middle of the road approach to climate change

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe
I'm super glad the Libs and NDP are slinging poo poo at one another like monkeys at the zoo while the cons actually make an effort to appeal to the masses. Can't wait till I'm in a breadline wearing a respirator to protect from the perpetual fires and sipping river water after our 100 year old aqueduct finally collapses, at least I'll know the libs showed those idiots in the NDP who had a better do-nothing climate policy.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


That dweeb should go back to posting fast food reviews on youtube.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


Is this from Space Muntiny?

abuse culture.
Sep 8, 2004

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

This was the message in Educational Rapper, Baba Brinkman's 2011 hit rap, Don't Vote For Mean People.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHl_Oi-u7rs

this guy is the son of the owner of the largest reforestation company in Canada who have deep, deep ties to the bc liberal party

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

etalian posted:

Is this from Space Muntiny?

yes

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