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That Old Tree posted:You should absolutely gently reach out and talk about it, and talk about what kind of boundaries you guys would like in your game. It may seem odd to care all that much about such actions in a game like Vampire of all things, but "well he likes animals" isn't a great reason to brush off making him uncomfortable, even if it was an accident. It can be easy to accidentally ruin someone's fun time, but it's often surprisingly easy to talk through this kind of stuff and make them feel better and avoid such things in the future. Yeah, there's no harm in clarifying boundaries. Depending on what sort of game your group is running it's actually a good idea, in fact.
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I do that during the intro session for every game I run, and periodically check in every few sessions to see if people are comfortable. Often they relax the initial boundaries once they get to know each other and the game, sometimes they find a new one they didn't realize was an issue for them. It's just good DMing, and in your case, good playering - everyone at the table has a vested interest in making sure the other participants are okay, DM or otherwise.
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I think Beast is a good addition to the Chronicles of Darkness but only because I think they work really well as weird Werewolf antagonist. The mixture of everything they do being so clearly evil and manipulating the supernatural makes them a pretty good twist reveal as the thing behind a Pure pack or a coven of strangely aggressive vampires. Everything they do would cause so much disruption to the spirt world they would be a big target for the Spirit Police. As a game line of things you play as? Get out of here with that nonsense.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I think Beast is a good addition to the Chronicles of Darkness but only because I think they work really well as weird Werewolf antagonist. The mixture of everything they do being so clearly evil and manipulating the supernatural makes them a pretty good twist reveal as the thing behind a Pure pack or a coven of strangely aggressive vampires. Everything they do would cause so much disruption to the spirt world they would be a big target for the Spirit Police. Despite the fact that Beasts have their special pheromones or whatever to make werewolves super-duper like them, I remember asking Kurieg some time back if I was correct in thinking that about every single thing they do would negatively impact the Shadow and the answer was yes. I could see them being a particular kind of Ridden with the Dark Mother as their progenitor and some of which think they 'have' to do it so they might be initially sympathetic but then, yeah, no, they need to go down. The villain in the current season of Cloak and Dagger, who broadly speaking feeds on despair, might be a good inspiration.
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Jun 1, 2019 15:21
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Oh totally. Beasts are a clear evil.
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Jun 1, 2019 17:43
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Blitz7x posted:Question for more seasoned WoD players: I'm not judging the guy's values at all and it's quite sweet to care about animals that much and I know it's likely he didn't know how much it could impact him but why would he even leave that scenario possible if he knew it would upset him? Have any of you ever come across anything in White Wolf games that you didn't think would bother you but it did?
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Jun 1, 2019 17:59
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I feel like Beast would work a lot better if you replaced the lovely abuse apologia feeding method with an overriding obsessive need for something that archetypical monsters go for like hoarding, gluttony, desire, vengeance, or trickery and that heroes were essentially created spontaneously by the power of narrative to hunt them down in a weird eternal cycle. It'd still be one of the weaker splats with a bit too much changeling crossover but it wouldn't be 100% trash.
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Jun 1, 2019 18:53
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TheKingslayer posted:I'm not judging the guy's values at all and it's quite sweet to care about animals that much and I know it's likely he didn't know how much it could impact him but why would he even leave that scenario possible if he knew it would upset him? Same game that I'm in (I feel like I'm complaining alot here), but one of the guys is a Tremere vamp who's trying his damndest to get my gangrel bloodbound. It started out early on when he tricked my vamp into drinking from/touching a flask (I guess it has some blood binding properties?). The next one was when my vamp was knocked out in a fight and he used his blood to give me a little vitae to recover and stabilize. He's kind of crude in a jokey way ("haha your vamp will end up my blood/(sex?) slave") but that's just the world of darkness. Mechanically he's not doing anything wrong but it did give me the creeps that my vampire lies there torpored and he just does whatever he wants. Felt rapey.
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I personally find that hosed up because I think you should always have some kind of agency in the direction of your character and something like that while I guess is very "vampire" it still feels like you're losing a lot of say in how your own story plays out. Not even in a story important way it seems, just another player being a prick.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:10
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One vampire trying to covertly blood bond another, especially if they're in the same coterie, sounds like motivation for the second vampire to send a ghoul to pay the first a visit at high noon.
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Jun 1, 2019 20:49
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Blitz7x posted:It started out early on when he tricked my vamp into drinking from/touching a flask (I guess it has some blood binding properties?). IIRC there’s a ritual to put a blood point in an object as a trap - when a vampire touches the object it will swap the blood in the object with a blood point from the victim, upping the blood bond one step or so. ZiegeDame posted:One vampire trying to covertly blood bond another, especially if they're in the same coterie, sounds like motivation for the second vampire to send a ghoul to pay the first a visit at high noon. Yeah that’s an act of war. You’re a Gangrel, flex those agg damage claws when his back is turned. ...or read back through the thread for all the ways a blood bond can backfire on the binder, particularly the “keep them chained in the basement so nothing bad happens to them.”
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Jun 1, 2019 23:00
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And of course you have to keep the bond going while they're chained and eventually you might get the idea that your souls should be one and just keep on drinking until there's nothing left.
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Jun 1, 2019 23:22
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That dog scenario is pretty weird imho. Like, yes, it is kinda brutal that your character was in a situation where you had to maybe kill a beloved family companion to survive but the alternative is frenzying on an actual human. Plus I think trying to make players feel ooc guilty about actions the game wants you to do is kind of gross unless everybody agrees that's what they'd like to explore. Also edit: is it the same with all violence or did the gm especially want you to feel lovely about the dog?
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Jun 2, 2019 01:32
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In my experience a lot of people are particularly sensitive about harm specifically coming to dogs, cats etc. This mostly comes up when it's foregrounded. My advice: Go to the Polish grocery store and find you some pig blood.
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Jun 2, 2019 01:58
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Note: you're going to need a lot of it. Explain that you're doing an amateur theatre production of Carrie.
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Jun 2, 2019 02:00
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Mors Rattus posted:Note: you're going to need a lot of it. Explain that you're doing an amateur theatre production of Carrie. Can you use Dominate to make people poo poo themselves? Can we get one of the OPP freelancers in here to make a call?
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Jun 2, 2019 02:04
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Dominate forces them to do something they are able to do. So I think that you can give that order but if they don't have to take a poo poo they're gonna be on that toilet for a while.
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I use my mastery of Melpominee to create the brown note.
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Mors Rattus posted:Dominate forces them to do something they are able to do.
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Odd questions but I’m looking for some reading inspiration. Are there any decent books I could give a read as inspiration for some CtL scenarios or ideas?
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Odd questions but I’m looking for some reading inspiration. Are there any decent books I could give a read as inspiration for some CtL scenarios or ideas? War of the Flowers by Tad Williams
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Yeah, I’d second the earlier poster - intentionally getting you two steps blood bound should 100% be a justifiable reason to agg them into torpor, wake them, feed them, rinse repeat three times. Then ask them nicely to wander into the daylight.
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This is very off topic but specific to this thread and I’ve been trying to solve this mystery for a while so I’m gonna try : Ages ago, like literal threads ago, someone asked a question and someone else posted a little hand-drawn comic of this Meg Griffin looking girl saying “me i do”. This later turned into basically a meme between me and my sister and we’ve been referencing it for years. I would like to find the original image. I *think* that RocknRollaAyatollah was one of the posters. Maybe. Actually rereading the threads would be a pretty big task. Does anyone else remember this?
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Shockeh posted:Yeah, I’d second the earlier poster - intentionally getting you two steps blood bound should 100% be a justifiable reason to agg them into torpor, wake them, feed them, rinse repeat three times. The last part is, of course, metagaming and the exact opposite of a blood bond, but the first seems justified and also is the kind of yandere nonsense that an inter-coterie blood bond yields. For its flaws I’m glad V5 largely got rid of blood bonding. It was an interesting idea for a wrinkle to cause tension in the party but ends up just being skeevy at best
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Honestly, from what little I've bothered to dig into, you could "fix" beast by creating an elemental force of rear end in a top hat, that all monsters and other worldly creatures can draw from and can be influenced by as well, but Beasts are inexorably bound to obey and ruin everything, including themselves, to be pawns of. A roaming nightmare that people walk into its mouth and think themselves Faust. A mindless, ever shifting font of idiotic malevolence that is growing ever closer to us. And as it reaches out and affects people for no rhyme or reason, not even the amusement or rules that a Fae could have, a self reciprocating cycle of "beasts" and "heroes" continues to turn at more frequent and erratic intervals. Beasts and Heroes is just contextual fluff those bound by it created to try and give reason to a dumb game they are trapped in, wisdom a hope for some sort of purpose or meaning to the The rear end in a top hat's contrived and very often plagiarizing cruelty it takes from existing monsters and mashes them together into the thing that replaces a mortal's soul. The Mother is just the oldest pawn left and she is completely buried in the narrative to remember whatever she once was. Or maybe just scorch the earth with it and try again with something that doesn't feel like a creeper fantasy at its core, I dunno.
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Crabtree posted:Honestly, from what little I've bothered to dig into, you could "fix" beast by creating an elemental force of rear end in a top hat Like in Warhammer, the Brown Wind of Beasts.
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Crabtree posted:Or maybe just scorch the earth with it and try again with something that doesn't feel like a creeper fantasy at its core, I dunno. Why are you hiding out in human form in a suburb somewhere or whatever? Because you like not getting shot down by jet fighters.
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Shockeh posted:Yeah, I’d second the earlier poster - intentionally getting you two steps blood bound should 100% be a justifiable reason to agg them into torpor, wake them, feed them, rinse repeat three times. As stated by the prior poster this is metagaming, and at blood bond 2 you'd have to make willpower rolls just to start plotting against the regnant let alone actually harm them Sometimes I wonder if the posters in this thread have actually ever even played vampire
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A vampire freaking the gently caress out when they realize what's happening and trying to kill their regnant/flee the city/both is absolutely in character. It could easily lead to Final Death of both vampires. If there are any Anarchs or Sabbat in the city who even think something like that has happened they might go after the regnant as a gently caress you there's a red line pre-emptive measure. It's stupid af to bloodbond a PC without consent and should absolutely result in PC on PC violence. It's basically saying that you want the coterie to dissolve. The Tremere dude's character becomes an NPC at that point and the coterie that's left has really good reason to hunt them down. Relevant Tangent fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jun 2, 2019 |
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Oberst posted:As stated by the prior poster this is metagaming, and at blood bond 2 you'd have to make willpower rolls just to start plotting against the regnant let alone actually harm them Lol we arent children we play werewolf or mage
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Zereth posted:Start over from the elevator pitch of "You are ancient creatures of legend hiding out in the modern day". Where you are, in fact, actually a dragon, not an abuser who says they're a dragon otherkin. I still remember being upset people told me I could totally play Godzilla in Beast when in fact that was a lie.
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Oberst posted:As stated by the prior poster this is metagaming, and at blood bond 2 you'd have to make willpower rolls just to start plotting against the regnant let alone actually harm them "You can't do that because they've already mindcontrolled you into their slave" really isn't the compelling argument you want it to be.
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Dawgstar posted:I still remember being upset people told me I could totally play Godzilla in Beast when in fact that was a lie. How would you even pen and paper a race of Kaiju or potential Kaiju? Take Werewolf's Gaia and a bit of Promethean and Changeling depending on how you're monstered into existence and hey, it turns out that humanity's gonna bring about another great extinction, and even if you may take the form of that Destructor, you can make sure human lives and souls can become something that survives after your great King of all monsters battle as the life form you'll possibly become?
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Kurieg posted:"You can't do that because they've already mindcontrolled you into their slave" really isn't the compelling argument you want it to be. I mean have you ever been mind controlled and tried to buy a kolache from the supermarket but you just cannot because in actuality you're there because your master specifically wants a plain bagel and unsalted butter? I have. It's a solid argument. Being mind controlled into a slave sucks and I can't even play video games during it.
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Naoto Shirogane posted:I mean have you ever been mind controlled and tried to buy a kolache from the supermarket but you just cannot because in actuality you're there because your master specifically wants a plain bagel and unsalted butter? Maybe just get a divorce instead?
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Bust Rodd posted:Maybe just get a divorce instead? I can't do that because they've already mindcontrolled me into their slave
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Crabtree posted:How would you even pen and paper a race of Kaiju or potential Kaiju? Take Werewolf's Gaia and a bit of Promethean and Changeling depending on how you're monstered into existence and hey, it turns out that humanity's gonna bring about another great extinction, and even if you may take the form of that Destructor, you can make sure human lives and souls can become something that survives after your great King of all monsters battle as the life form you'll possibly become? I dunno. They just said I could be Godzilla and I couldn't, and in fact it was terrible and awful instead.
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I'm trying to post on the World of Darkness thread but my gosh darned master wants me to rob another blood bank and the straws from every capri sun i can find so he can have a slumber party with the local rear end in a top hat Ventrue
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Crabtree posted:How would you even pen and paper a race of Kaiju or potential Kaiju? Take Werewolf's Gaia and a bit of Promethean and Changeling depending on how you're monstered into existence and hey, it turns out that humanity's gonna bring about another great extinction, and even if you may take the form of that Destructor, you can make sure human lives and souls can become something that survives after your great King of all monsters battle as the life form you'll possibly become? I really want a Kaiju tabletop RPG now. Thanks 
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