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not memeing it up by being Doom, geuess the Tesla is doomed
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It's 2120, a hooded old crony sits with the lost children under a damp and acid-streaked bunker. "Always place your cup back where you found it," she says to them, "And you shall have jobs your whole life." The children nod in agreement. One of the children, having never known what a cup is, slowly tip-toes to the mangy, emaciated guard dog near the door. She opens its jaw and places her ragged and torn doll inside its mouth. The dog lays motionless. It has not moved from its spot since the previous night.
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Well, at least this kind of bullshit only wastes a moment of the applicant's time as opposed to putting them through a barrage of pseudoscientific personality tests, but the outcome is still identically arbitrary. By the way, using this same logic, he is rejecting applicants who are able to delegate low-level tasks instead of micromanaging every single detail, and applicants who are security-conscious and assume that guests won't be allowed to just roam in the workplace to do the dishes. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jun 2, 2019 |
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Jun 2, 2019 22:05
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Sulphagnist posted:Well, at least this kind of bullshit only wastes a moment of the applicant's time as opposed to putting them through a barrage of pseudoscientific personality tests, but the outcome is still identically arbitrary. bbbbbbut muh ~corporate culture~ 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Sulphagnist posted:Well, at least this kind of bullshit only wastes a moment of the applicant's time as opposed to putting them through a barrage of pseudoscientific personality tests, but the outcome is still identically arbitrary. They could have been interviewing for a less lovely company using that time.
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Ah, here we see a great example of the kind of amazingly sharp thinking that has gotten billionaires where they are But what the gently caress seriously. I guess at that point I'd be glad I didn't get a job in a place led by a complete insufferable rear end in a top hat who loves dick-waving his power around Interviews with non-technical people are always full of this poo poo, they serve no purpose other than serve as an arbitrary filter and give the interviewer a little taste of a power trip. Just having a normal human conversation about what they've been doing lately in their job would give you tons more information about what kind of a human they are and as a bonus it wouldn't make the candidate nervous about answering the exact magic words expected of them. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jun 2, 2019 |
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Jun 2, 2019 22:18
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Pochoclo posted:
Yeah ok but have you considered the non technical interviewer might be too dumb to extract information from a normal conversation?
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Jun 2, 2019 22:41
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suck my woke dick posted:Yeah ok but have you considered the non technical interviewer might be too dumb to extract information from a normal conversation? If you don't have anyone able to evaluate the candidate either on their technical or interpersonal merits (or both), then you might as well roll a dice or just hire them and see how they fare during probation period Or just have 3 different people talk to the candidate and see if they got a good feeling. Probably more reliable than bullshit questionnaires or flipping a coin, at any rate
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Jun 2, 2019 22:44
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Doggles posted:https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1135169460669702144 I hope no one at VentureBeat owns a Tesla. 
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Jun 2, 2019 22:56
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suck my woke dick posted:Yeah ok, but have you considered the nontechnical interviewer might be too dumb to extract information from a normal conversation? This seems like some nerd-snipe, but Trent Innes used the phrase "culture of ownership" multiple times so I have to agree.
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Jun 3, 2019 00:31
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Holy poo poo this is bullshit. When you are interviewing you are a guest. Guests (like clients) do not wash their own loving coffee cups and are not expected to even bring them back to the kitchen by normal people who grew up with pretty standard manners.
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Jun 3, 2019 02:39
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Motronic posted:Holy poo poo this is bullshit. When you are interviewing you are a guest. Guests (like clients) do not wash their own loving coffee cups and are not expected to even bring them back to the kitchen by normal people who grew up with pretty standard manners. Yah seriously, there are so many things that are wrong with this test. 1) Manners. 2) What if that is someones cup they left there to pick it up? If I wash it and move it somewhere else I am making their life difficult. 3) Are you going to hire me on the spot if I move the cup? If not, then bullshit your test tells you nothing. 4) This tests no ability whatsoever nor does it test culture. What possible thing can this tell you about a person?! 5) This is why you need HR.
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Jun 3, 2019 02:58
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The correct answer, in my opinion, for any social or professional situation is to ask, "what would you like me to do with my (empty/cup/etc.)?" Every person and business has a different idea of what "should" be done, and it's arbitrary. Drives me up the goddamn wall when guests wash their own cups or do whatever with their empties. I have a system, I will thoroughly rinse your empty and recycle it, or I will rinse your cup/glass/etc. and put it in my dishwasher the way I know works best, on my own schedule. Ask me, and I will tell you to put whatever by the sink and leave it. Don't just do your own thing, even if you think you're helping.
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Jun 3, 2019 03:13
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PT6A posted:The correct answer, in my opinion, for any social or professional situation is to ask, "what would you like me to do with my (empty/cup/etc.)?" Yep. Again, we're back to very basic and standard manners. It doesn't sound like this is good enough for this person....maybe it is. But also, it's a reasonable assumption in a situation like this that since you are a guest things will be cleaned up after you. This is very common practice in business settings for any sort of meeting with an external party. Because no sane person expect an external party to know where or how the gently caress you deal with these things. It's basic hospitality. Just in case, I make sure to make my external guests comfortable by telling them "just leave it, it's fine" and then I go back and clean it up my drat self if there isn't someone to do it (like at a larger meeting where you have admin staff to help coordinate and run food/drinks). Because that's still basic loving manners. Motronic fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Jun 3, 2019 03:33
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This is definitely the attitude of someone who expects pretty much everyone 'below' them to be their personal servant at all times.
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Jun 3, 2019 03:50
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All of these tests, from this psychological warfare to code tests to personality tests, are all shibboleths to make sure you belong to the in-group.
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Jun 3, 2019 06:19
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Judging from the Xero recruiters in the replies saying "we don't actually do this", I'd wager the CEO just made that up on the spot to seem smart. ...in an interview. poo poo, imagine the logistics with tracking these dumbass tests through internal documents
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Jun 3, 2019 06:21
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Ruffian Price posted:Judging from the Xero recruiters in the replies saying "we don't actually do this", I'd wager the CEO just made that up on the spot to seem smart. That's basically the primary role of most CEOs
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Jun 3, 2019 06:38
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Just loving shut YouTube down https://twitter.com/max_fisher/status/1135529605530411008?s=21
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Jun 3, 2019 14:30
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MickeyFinn posted:All of these tests, from this psychological warfare to code tests to personality tests, are all shibboleths to make sure you belong to the in-group.
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pangstrom posted:I think a lot of it is people Dunning-Krugering about their lack of social and emotional intelligence. Reminds me of nerdy guys coming up with the perfect strat to ask someone out on a date. They can't trust their brain to act normal or to judge others so out come the dealbreakers and the one weird tricks. And then in echo chambers with no intrusion from reality they start reinforcing and codifying this poo poo and you get PUAs, incels, etc etc. Of course the wealthy have had a huge head start on this.
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Jun 3, 2019 15:14
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aware of dog posted:Just loving shut YouTube down This is gross as gently caress, but at the same time I think it's important to recognize that there's likely no actual legal solution to this problem, because you'd need to ban the sharing of any content a pedophile might be aroused by, which would necessarily mean that any photos or videos of children under pretty much any circumstance would be banned from being shared online. The only solution is to have YouTube and other sites rely on active moderation, rather than algorithms, to identify these particularly disturbing patterns and comments, and arbitrarily deal with them as necessary based on human judgement. The issue is that it's very difficult to force them to do so legally speaking because it'd be nearly impossible to codify what makes one instance of sharing this content legal while another is illegal. So we're basically locked in a situation where we have to rely on large companies to do the right thing voluntarily, and lol if you think that's gonna loving work.
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pangstrom posted:I think a lot of it is people Dunning-Krugering about their lack of social and emotional intelligence. Reminds me of nerdy guys coming up with the perfect strat to ask someone out on a date. They can't trust their brain to act normal or to judge others so out come the dealbreakers and the one weird tricks. The bigger outfits seen to have an endless supply of bubbly young women (who don't live near the engineers based on their area codes) to do the recruiting work, so I don't think PUA-like min-maxing is an issue at those places. But I have had one guy tell me that he didn't have any idea how to do any machine learning before he started the job a year before he interviewed me, but he did work at Google previously, so I guess that is as good as knowing something about the job. I was interviewing for a research position*, being asked coding questions by a guy doing a job even he admitted he wasn't qualified to do when he started. All they wanted to know was if I was like them. The original questions, like why are manhole covers round and how does a tiny person get out of a blender were the same thing. It reeks of McKinsey-ism. *Not a software developer position, I was told I would not be doing development or handling more than trivial bits of code. Ninja edit: Now that I've pressed poast, the people who instituted these testing regimes are probably the same horrible nerds you are talking about.
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Jun 3, 2019 20:19
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What if I smash the cup against his stupid head?
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AceOfFlames posted:I hope no one at VentureBeat owns a Tesla. I know one of the editors and he does own one.
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VideoGameVet posted:What if I smash the cup against his stupid head? You keep what you kill
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Pochoclo posted:Interviews with non-technical people are always full of this poo poo, they serve no purpose other than serve as an arbitrary filter and give the interviewer a little taste of a power trip. I mean, ok, sure, bad fashion. But what the gently caress do you care what they wear if they're competent.
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FilthyImp posted:Had someone say they wouldn't hire someone if they came in wearing dress shoes with white socks. They don't want to admit that nobody knows what they're doing with hiring, but they want to still pretend it's beep boop objective so they come with Calvinball rubrics.
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MickeyFinn posted:All of these tests, from this psychological warfare to code tests to personality tests, are all shibboleths to make sure you belong to the in-group.  skooma512 posted:They don't want to admit that nobody knows what they're doing with hiring, but they want to still pretend it's beep boop objective so they come with Calvinball rubrics. Unprepared/dumb interviewers and ~culture fit~ are way bigger factors in interviewing than anyone is comfortable admitting.
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PT6A posted:This is gross as gently caress, but at the same time I think it's important to recognize that there's likely no actual legal solution to this problem, because you'd need to ban the sharing of any content a pedophile might be aroused by, which would necessarily mean that any photos or videos of children under pretty much any circumstance would be banned from being shared online. of course there's a legal solution to this, mandate that google has to spend X% of their revenue on a human moderation team! We mandate shitloads of requirements for people to interact and properly care for children in all other public spheres, so its pretty loving simple to do that for digital media!! jesus christ 'likely no actual legal solution' come on man. 
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Jun 4, 2019 02:33
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aware of dog posted:Just loving shut YouTube down I thought YT actively scrubbed porn, or at least they did a long time ago
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Pochoclo posted:If you don't have anyone able to evaluate the candidate either on their technical or interpersonal merits (or both), then you might as well roll a dice or just hire them and see how they fare during probation period Filtering methods already ensure that a pretty random selection of candidates make it to the interview phase, so rolling a die to pick your final hire probably isn't much worse than what we already do.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I thought YT actively scrubbed porn, or at least they did a long time ago There’s a certain brand of pervert that sees this as a challenge. The erotic transgressive thrill of adult videos on a platform moderating against it. From hiding adult videos through video tricks to trip the filter, to listing it under exotic languages. I remember an article on the pain of adding filters against these tricks and a ring of videos using a specific Scandinavian word. Softcore women showcasing underwear is also just fine on YouTube.
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A big flaming stink posted:of course there's a legal solution to this, mandate that google has to spend X% of their revenue on a human moderation team! We mandate shitloads of requirements for people to interact and properly care for children in all other public spheres, so its pretty loving simple to do that for digital media!! Okay, so how do you define the category of businesses that require human moderation? How do you write the laws so that the moderation team cracks down on people sharing legal content for nefarious purposes? It's easy when it's actual child sexual abuse images being shared. That poo poo's illegal, you can easily remove the content and provide relevant information to prosecutors to take down all the pedophiles who have viewed it. What happens when it's a video or an image that a teenager may have posted themselves, with themselves and their friends in swimsuits in a completely non-sexual situation, but being shared by obvious perverts for sexual purposes, like those fuckers on Reddit? The content itself is not illegal, and it's very difficult to write a solid law that makes it illegal. I did say "legal solution" originally when I meant "legislative solution," but I do believe that's the case. You can't legislate this away, unfortunately. I really wish that weren't the case, I just don't see a way to make this illegal without essentially banning photos and videos of minors online entirely (and, I mean, that's an option to be sure, but that's going to affect a lot more than just disgusting pedos). But what you can do it cause advertisers and visitors to freak out until YouTube does something about the issue, because they don't have to abide by the due process of law in order to kick sick fucks off their site. You can go after the people sharing this poo poo and doxx them. There are things that can be done, I'm not saying there aren't, I'm merely saying I think it would be difficult or impossible to do it using the law as a tool. You still have the issue that this could easily just switch over to less well-known sites which are harder to exert pressure against, but it's still better than doing nothing.
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PT6A posted:Okay, so how do you define the category of businesses that require human moderation? How do you write the laws so that the moderation team cracks down on people sharing legal content for nefarious purposes? You could force YouTube to simply never let specific videos ever be noticed by the recommendation algorithm without being explicitly ticked as an option by the uploader? Unlisted videos exist already, this isn't hard, and even if it is hard, they should loving do it anyway. (Also spend more on moderation.)
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skooma512 posted:They don't want to admit that nobody knows what they're doing with hiring, but they want to still pretend it's beep boop objective so they come with Calvinball rubrics. No, people know what they're doing for basic hiring. It's easy to get it right most of the time if you're looking for two hands, a pulse, and the ability to show up consistently. The snag is that there's literally no way to know in 30 to 90 minutes if somebody is a competent tech professional or not. This is why contract to hire keeps cropping up but even that has its limits and a lot of tech professionals, especially the top talent that has a lot of options, is going to "lol nope" as soon as they see that phrase anywhere. Granted another snag with tech nerds is that they can find work easily enough that they're practically impossible to tie down. Tech nerds are really expensive but also easily bored. Every manager and business person knows the value of a good tech nerd but they're trying to find out how to tell if somebody is a good tech nerd in 15 but then figure out how to get them to stick around for a few decades for lovely salaries. It's a fool's errand.
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Blind Duke posted:There’s a certain brand of pervert that sees this as a challenge. The erotic transgressive thrill of adult videos on a platform moderating against it. From hiding adult videos through video tricks to trip the filter, to listing it under exotic languages. I remember an article on the pain of adding filters against these tricks and a ring of videos using a specific Scandinavian word. That new short video posting app (TikTok) uses soft-porn as the advertising pitch from the Facebook ads I've seen.
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suck my woke dick posted:Unprepared/dumb interviewers and ~culture fit~ are way bigger factors in interviewing than anyone is comfortable admitting. "Culture fit" always terrifies me and makes me think if I lose my job no one will hire me again. I don't like drinking, I don't like sports, my hobbies are mostly Internet and sleeping. Am I going to have to pretend to be something I'm not just to get hired?
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AceOfFlames posted:"Culture fit" always terrifies me and makes me think if I lose my job no one will hire me again. I don't like drinking, I don't like sports, my hobbies are mostly Internet and sleeping. Am I going to have to pretend to be something I'm not just to get hired? Are you a white man?
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