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So mad I didn't watch that live, but even the replay was awesome as hell. How did AJ not keep Ruiz away with that enormous reach advantage? He wasn't doing a great job of that even before his brains got fried in r3.
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I listened to it as I was on a night shift and it almost sounded like Joshua didn't really give a poo poo? Does seem as if he's let the hype get to him. Before the Klitschko fight he seemed really down to earth and was living with his mum. Now he's got 30+ hangers on and probably believed he didn't have to put the work in to beat Ruiz. Hopefully he gets his head together and maybe looks at the people around him before coming back.
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I don’t think it’s fair to say he didn’t give a poo poo. He kind of controlled the first two rounds, then knocked Ruiz down in the third, and then got brained on Ruiz’s counter and was never right after that. He just got beaten, badly
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He definitely got concussed in the third round, but looking back, he seemed out of it during the ringwalk - eyes glazed over, chewing his mouthgaurd. Plus AJ's dad seemed mad at Eddie Hearn after the fight for something. Knocked out in sparring and covered up?
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Monday Bandele posted:He definitely got concussed in the third round, but looking back, he seemed out of it during the ringwalk - eyes glazed over, chewing his mouthgaurd. Plus AJ's dad seemed mad at Eddie Hearn after the fight for something. Knocked out in sparring and covered up? The mouthpiece chew and the google eyes he was giving to his corner are the giveaways. There was no one home after that punch. That was a really fun fight, I'm glad that I'm paying for da zone, a service that I have,
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I think most people are mad at Eddie Hearn. Probably because he's a huge oval office.
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Hearn said: “Once the three positive drugs tests came in, we searched for a new opponent. “I wasn’t under any instructions, it was a case of whoever you want. “Someone sent me a direct message on Instagram: ‘I’m fighting Saturday. Give me this fight, I will fight harder than any of the names you’ve mentioned, I will give you a better fight and I will beat Anthony Joshua’. “OK, that got my attention. We had a look, we saw him deal with and stop Alexander Dimitrenko on Fox and the discussions continued. “I’ve found a man who had a burning desire to create history, to create a legacy, and become the first ever Mexican world heavyweight champion.”
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AJ asking variations of the same question evey other round and repeating back the answers stuck out to me. Ruiz's physique is amazing and I can't wait for the articles that get written in non boxing outlets, especialy if he defends the title. Who is the last heavyweight champ that looked this tubby aside from 46 year old Foreman? Bowe?
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From looking at Ruiz career trajectory it looks like he lost a ton of motivation after that controversial decision loss in a title fight to Parker, the fight in April was Ruiz first fight for a long time. Reckon he wasn't looking after his physique during that period and expect to see him a lot more toned in his next fight (he'll always be chunky but the amount of flab he was carrying into the Joshua fight was excessive).
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Flayer posted:From looking at Ruiz career trajectory it looks like he lost a ton of motivation after that controversial decision loss in a title fight to Parker, the fight in April was Ruiz first fight for a long time. Reckon he wasn't looking after his physique during that period and expect to see him a lot more toned in his next fight (he'll always be chunky but the amount of flab he was carrying into the Joshua fight was excessive). He was a big fat guy in the Parker fight, too.
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The whole thing felt like Joshua didn't want to fight Ruiz and the post-fight was basically an "I told you this would happen, Eddie" vibe.
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blue footed boobie posted:He was a big fat guy in the Parker fight, too.
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So Steve "Dinner" Rolls is totally sparking Triple G on Saturday right?
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part of it I think is that Hearn and DAZN were expecting this fight to be the moment that America embraced AJ as the real champion and support him against Fury. they couldn't predict that Wilder would KO Brezeale like he did, and also become a huge crossover star with the "til this day" press conference that gave him woke cred.
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Flayer posted:From looking at Ruiz career trajectory it looks like he lost a ton of motivation after that controversial decision loss in a title fight to Parker, the fight in April was Ruiz first fight for a long time. Reckon he wasn't looking after his physique during that period and expect to see him a lot more toned in his next fight (he'll always be chunky but the amount of flab he was carrying into the Joshua fight was excessive).
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Well, they kinda could predict it, since he did it to everyone he ever fought. I don’t see Ruiz having the same effect on Fury or Wilder, if they end up being a thing: Wilder has more mettle than AJ, and Fury has more boxing sense than either of them.
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Ruiz also said he specifically wanted Joshua and believed he saw openings he could exploit. Lots of respect to Ruiz, you know a counterpuncher is skilled when his world championship 6'6" opponent is throwing two thirds their average work rate. I think he'll have trouble winning the rematch or beating the other two champs but mostly because after this fight everyone is gonna be super cautious mixing it up with him.
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Monday Bandele posted:He definitely got concussed in the third round, but looking back, he seemed out of it during the ringwalk - eyes glazed over, chewing his mouthgaurd. Plus AJ's dad seemed mad at Eddie Hearn after the fight for something. Knocked out in sparring and covered up? I've been hearing a lot of people speculating about this, especially since earlier he apparently had some bruises while doing promotional appearances. Well, there are reports that's what happened., although nothing has been confirmed yet Jump King fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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The Ninth Layer posted:Ruiz also said he specifically wanted Joshua and believed he saw openings he could exploit. he looked to me like he was fully in control of the fight. i've never seen such an effective negation of a reach difference before (live). he seemed to be maintaining a perfect distance from joshua, cutting the ring very effectively and exploding into a range that joshua found extremely uncomfortable at a speed joshua was not ready for. i'm not convinced joshua wins the rematch easily. if he wins it, he'll have been in a fight.
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Jack B Nimble posted:Who is the last heavyweight champ that looked this tubby aside from 46 year old Foreman? Bowe? Nobody. Ruiz Jr has the worst build of any heavyweight champion of all time. He‘s only 6’2 and turned pro at 300 pounds, weighed 268 on Saturday, and has never weighed less than 246. He looks loving ridiculous. He shouldn’t weigh anymore than 230.
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Despite being obese, Ruiz can fight, and the Joshua rematch is no guaranteed win for AJ. If AJ loses again to Ruiz, his career would be seriously in doubt, and it’s doubtful the Wilder fight would ever happen. The rematch is huge stakes for Joshua.
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The rematch has the potential to be a pretty marketable fight too, with how much attention this one has gotten. Ruiz Jr has an excellent style for this matchup but there will be a lot of questions for the rematch. Did Ruiz get lucky with the temple shot? Was AJ compromised going into the fight? Will AJ be able to use a more appropriate style when Ruiz isn't a late replacement? On the other hand, you have to ask how this will effect both fighters mentally. Joshua will know going in that Ruiz can clean his clock, and Ruiz will be the champion. They'll probably be fighting on terms more favorable to Ruiz. If the fight takes place in Cali or Las Vegas, he'll have a home field advantage and the crowd on his side. The judges will be more likely to score close rounds for Ruiz, since they've seen him win before. Ruiz will have a lot longer to train for Joshua, and he'll be able to do that as the champ with a loving Snickers endorsement.
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Some people were complaining that the fight was stopped early. Joshua looked like he was getting pummeled and there was over 1:30 left in the round.
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Lol. If anything it should have been ended earlier.
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Joshua never really recovered from the first knockdown, he sure as poo poo wasn't recovering from the 4th. Also, he was definitely concussed: https://twitter.com/GMSBoxing/status/1135142204387840001
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transcript of Joshua's corner on reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/bvymm5/joshua_talking_to_his_corner_between_rounds/ imo McCracken laid out exactly the right plan on how to recover and win the fight, problem is Joshua thought he was on the moon
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Yeah, that's a good transcript, erie how Joshua sounds. AJ went into the fight concussed from a hard knockdown in camp, doesn't that make the many hard shots and knock downs in the fight even worse for his health? It's so lovely that everyone around him has an incentive to let the fight continue anyway; do all camps have doctors or just some? Also, if Joshua is coachable I think the rematch is good for him; Ruiz seems like he really needs you to exchange so he can counter. A gameplan based around what McCracken was trying to get going between rounds sounds good. Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Joshua's going to be fighting his own mentality in the rematch as well as a dude who just gave him a tonking. If he can come back mentally stronger from it though, he'll be doing really well
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Ruiz looks easy to tire out. Letting a guy chase you for eight rounds, tying up his arms, and eating body shots might not make for an exciting match, but it would have been a smarter play than what we got.
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Jack B Nimble posted:AJ went into the fight concussed from a hard knockdown in camp, doesn't that make the many hard shots and knock downs in the fight even worse for his health? Yeah, it's bad if you're not recovered from one concussion leading into the next. On top of the obvious hazards of not being 100% able to fight. I wonder if his dad had the ability to get cornermen to throw in the towel?
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Huh. Zab Judah is back in action this Friday. He hasn't fought since January 2018 and has only fought twice since his loss to Paulie Malignaggi in 2013, this would be his third fight since. Judah is 41 years old.
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Zab was actually a nurse for dementia patients as of late 2017. Not sure if he's still doing that in this latest comeback. https://www.theroot.com/boxer-zab-judah-is-turning-his-life-around-one-patient-1821051914
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https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1135952106991640576?s=19
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That's a long way out, AJ's team must really want time to plan.Jack B Nimble posted:Yeah, that's a good transcript, erie how Joshua sounds. AJ went into the fight concussed from a hard knockdown in camp, doesn't that make the many hard shots and knock downs in the fight even worse for his health? Worth noting that Joshua's team has been denying the knockout in camp. Also worth noting that the report is that he was knocked out by another fat little heavyweight with a much worse ranking than Ruiz, so it's not all that reassuring if that is true.
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Dig up Emanuel Steward’s bones and get him into AJ’s camp. I agree that an immediate rematch, especially so far out, is maybe not the best idea, but it is the only chance Joshua will have to get all 3 belts back, so that’s a primary driver for this. Going to be massive pressure on AJ though. He better pray that Ruiz comes into the rematch at 300 pounds. If he loses, he’s basically either retired or in the wilderness; building himself back up fighting cans.
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So if Ruiz is a counter puncher who punishes over eager aggression, doesn't he match up well with Wilder?
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I think Wilder's crazy range, wicked speed and absolute dynamite makes it difficult for Ruiz to do what he did to Joshua. Wilder also seems to have a better chin or at the very least, recuperative power. Wilder is also the least patient finisher in the division, so he could do something dumb in the same way, but he's just so oppressive in his attack I have trouble imagining Ruiz staying on his feet long enough to walk Wilder down.
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Ruiz is going to be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight. Crazy how much that temple shot will change his life. Just from a perspective in terms of how much attention is being paid to boxing, and I'm thinking anecdotally from what I see on places like the ESPN main page, The Ringer (who never write anything about boxing) deadspin etc has this the most exposure the sport has had since MayMac if you count that as boxing. Probably MayPac if you dont. So unexpected and I guess as fans we owe a debt to BigBaby and the many substances for which he tested positive The SituAsian fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I think Wilder's crazy range, wicked speed and absolute dynamite makes it difficult for Ruiz to do what he did to Joshua. Wilder also seems to have a better chin or at the very least, recuperative power. Honesty all of the big 3 heavyweights are extremely vulnerable, which is a big part of what makes the division so exciting right now.
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Tyson Fury: Baddest man on the planet. Not sure if hilarious, depressing, or both in huge quantities.
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