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I guess I'll finally find out how trustworthy Reynard really is once he's free.
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I wonder if he could make a fake mark on his head the same way he modifies his body normally. Not having Annie's symbol would be a dead giveaway for anyone familiar enough with Renard.
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Dr Subterfuge posted:I wonder if he could make a fake mark on his head the same way he modifies his body normally. Not having Annie's symbol would be a dead giveaway for anyone familiar enough with Renard. I'm pretty sure the mark is just a visual metaphor sort of thing, for the reader's benefit. I can't remember anyone in the comic indicating that they could see it.
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Hetty commented on it. e: link Dr Subterfuge fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Jun 3, 2019 08:28
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If Annie is smart, before she agrees to this, she'll say something like "Renard, I command you to tell me the truth: if you were free of my control, would you do anything that would cause harm to me or my family or my friends?"
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Jun 3, 2019 08:48
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DontMockMySmock posted:If Annie is smart, before she agrees to this, she'll say something like "Renard, I command you to tell me the truth: if you were free of my control, would you do anything that would cause harm to me or my family or my friends?" and then renard will probably say "yeah i'd probably kill your dad" and then we'll all know it's perfectly fine
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Jun 3, 2019 09:20
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What if this isn't actually an Arbiter?
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Ditocoaf posted:I'm pretty sure the mark is just a visual metaphor sort of thing, for the reader's benefit. I can't remember anyone in the comic indicating that they could see it. Hettie could see it. Interesting that he's reverted to toy-form, he hasn't used that in a long time. Also both Annies there subtly manipulating him into staying...
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Jun 3, 2019 10:44
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I wonder if the Court will crack down on Renard if he's free. When Eaglemore gave Annie her toy back he said that the court won't do anything to him because he's in her custody. But he also said that there's no telling what he would do if he were free, so maybe that's when the court comes down on him.
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Jun 3, 2019 12:13
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We know he'll stay; Coyote doesn't lie.
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Kikas posted:I wonder if the Court will crack down on Renard if he's free. When Eaglemore gave Annie her toy back he said that the court won't do anything to him because he's in her custody. But he also said that there's no telling what he would do if he were free, so maybe that's when the court comes down on him. Don't think the court is in a very good state to try and crack down on someone who's basically been an ally for years now.
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Jun 3, 2019 14:22
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maswastaken posted:We know he'll stay; Coyote doesn't lie. Interesting to reconsider this given that Loup expressed no interest in Coyote's tooth: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=824
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Jun 3, 2019 14:23
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GunnerJ posted:Interesting to reconsider this given that Loup expressed no interest in Coyote's tooth: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=824 Most likely the memory of the tooth was included in what was given away.
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Jun 3, 2019 14:32
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GunnerJ posted:Interesting to reconsider this given that Loup expressed no interest in Coyote's tooth: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=824 I'm not sure what new light you are seeing that page in. The running theory is Coyote hid the knowledge of his tooth in one on the objects he gave to Smitty and Parley, so Loup couldn't express interest. Presumably he would have if he did, since he did express interest in reclaiming everything else from the Court he felt any kind of ownership over, including Renard. Well not exactly Renard, but the power Coyote gave him.
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Geez, sorry I'm not up on the thread meta, lol. Guess it's just interesting to me how early on this was set up as a thing Coyote wanted to keep from Ysengrin.
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He has refused emancipation in the past and believes he deserves bondage.
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Nettle Soup posted:Interesting that he's reverted to toy-form, he hasn't used that in a long time. He's not been a major part of a chapter for a little while either, and went to toy form the moment a few pages ago. Think it's still more of a "being angry, messing with people, needing 'hands'" sort of thing.
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GunnerJ posted:Geez, sorry I'm not up on the thread meta, lol. I'm sorry for explaining it to you?  It is interesting how far back into the story the knife stretches, and it's one of the reasons I don't think Coyote is actually dead. Hiding it from Loup sounds like a decent reason to hide it from himself. Though the main reason I think Coyote isn't gone is his story of tricking himself into thinking he was dead, and oh hey the gifts that we know are actually memories come right after that. Dr Subterfuge fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jun 3, 2019 |
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Yeah, Coyote being perma-dead seems really unlikely to me for the same reason. Although he did seem genuinely surprised by what Ysengrin did after giving him his strength, so maybe this isn't all exactly "just as planned" either.
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I've posted this before, but Coyote 100% gave Annie his tooth as a means of last resort against Ysengrin after he was killed. The whole reason he threatened Annie to not tell anyone about his tooth was specifically to hide that knowledge from Ysengrin.GunnerJ posted:Yeah, Coyote being perma-dead seems really unlikely to me for the same reason. Although he did seem genuinely surprised by what Ysengrin did after giving him his strength, so maybe this isn't all exactly "just as planned" either. this doesn't square with Loup telling us that Coyote genuinely wanted to experience death. if he manages to come back, it will have more to do with the difficulty of permanently killing a creator deity rather than plans-within-plans on Coyote's part.
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It’s Loup though, who isn’t particularly self-aware, and I think that extends to trying to read Coyote.
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My theory on it is that one of the items has the memory of the tooth, and the other has the memory of whatever his plan is, starting with "and then Ysengrin eats me and we fuse into some kind of sparkledog."
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Jun 3, 2019 22:35
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Trickster gods die from tricking themselves all the time, it's part of their schtick.
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"Oh no my trick backfired, I set up the dominoes and they fell right over on me!" is like trickster god death 101 in most mythologies. It's gotta be part of their college curriculum or something.
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Except Loup describes Coyote as anticipating his death. So either Loup is completely lying to himself (not impossible, but imo unlikely), or it has some element of truth and it didn’t actually backfire at all.
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So, if Anni is going to cut cut Coyote and Ysengrin out of Loup with the tooth and Loup asks where she got that tooth, would answering that question trigger the trap around her wrist? He says she can't tell anyone in the forest.
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Darth TNT posted:So, if Anni is going to cut cut Coyote and Ysengrin out of Loup with the tooth and Loup asks where she got that tooth, would answering that question trigger the trap around her wrist? The trap evaporated when she returned to the court.
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Jun 4, 2019 08:52
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That's quite a widening of the scope of Annie's control over Renard, even if it makes no immediate practical difference. Maybe he's hoping he'll get a less silly body out of it.
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Jun 5, 2019 11:04
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I guess that makes Anni a real witch now? 
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I'm curious to see how being a familiar ends up being different from the present situation. It stops their relationship from being reliant on the toy is the main (only?) thing so far, so now there is a reason to want to get his old body back. Do we actually know anything about how familiars work in this comic? Dr Subterfuge fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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Tom posted:This is a familiar situation  Meanwhile, the bureaucracy is like one catchy piano theme away from forming the etherical equivalent of Tom Lehrer's Wernher Von Braun.
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New plan: Renard returns to Loup, who eats him, and the Annies now have control over the amalgam and can make it split back up.Hremsfeld posted:Meanwhile, the bureaucracy is like one catchy piano theme away from forming the etherical equivalent of Tom Lehrer's Wernher Von Braun. Once the contract is signed who cares what else goes on? "That's not our department" says Salslamel's pawn.
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Dr Subterfuge posted:I'm curious to see how being a familiar ends up being different from the present situation. It stops their relationship from being reliant on the toy is the main (only?) thing so far, so now there is a reason to want to get his old body back. I'm guessing a familiar is not quite as much of a slave. Although swapping bodies won't free him anymore, which is a big deal.
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Is there an unspoken status change that the Annies will become witches, now that they have a familiar?
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a witch with 100% fire resistance??? pls nerf
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Jun 5, 2019 18:23
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Still weak to water tho!
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Iceclaw posted:Still weak to water tho! Tell that to the ashray
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Bruceski posted:New plan: Renard returns to Loup, who eats him, and the Annies now have control over the amalgam and can make it split back up. Inspired me to throw this together super fast. 
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Boy I hope Renard grants some cool class features to Annie(s)!
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Kyte posted:Boy I hope Renard grants some cool class features to Annie(s)! Familiars typically store all their witch's spells for them.
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