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T-man posted:yeah but imagine everyone speaking in a bad mafia voice/accent/affect. It would win every single media award for every single format for being so good. HBO had to do this right now
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Hey 👋 fellas 👨, did you know 💡 that worshipping god 🛐 is actually gay 🙅♂️👬🏳️🌈? Because god is a woman 👩 and respecting females ♀️🚺 is the gayest thing around ❌❌❌
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I never understood why Americans want "English, but with accents" in foreign depictions Either it's the real language or just do english, you loving weirdos. Adding an accent does not make it more genuine, it just makes it WEIRD
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Collapsing Farts posted:I never understood why Americans want "English, but with accents" in foreign depictions Because that's how Americans think foreigners speak
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Shatner's not the idiot (oddly enough) https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1135705338273886208?s=19
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AlbieQuirky posted:The whole question of what kind of accents people should have in movies where they are portraying people speaking a different language is a loving rabbit hole. People who live(d) in Chernobyl didn’t sound to each other like they spoke with an accent, for the most part. So why have them speak English with an accent? Nah, it's pretty easy: a lovely accent is not the same as a different language. Either they speak the correct language or they just use their own. I don't understand how people accept that you need to speak English with a Russian accent if you're portraying a Russian-speaking character, it doesn't make any sense and breaks immersion. I could barely make it through Memoirs of a Geisha, not just because it was garbage, but because every character spoke like your local racist trying to imitate a Japanese accent. e;fb I guess.
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Thankfully, the best film of the last ten years, The Death Of Stalin, avoided that. It's better for not doing lovely Russian accents. It's kind of like in  my animes how they'll give a character that had a deep Osakan accent a bit of a twinge of southern accent, or someone born and raised in Tokyo a bit of a post New Englander sound. It conveys different regions for foreign viewers (me), without being weird.Doing an English-speaking, but foreign accent would be the same as dubbing a Disney film in German but with an American staccato accent for the German market. That's weird as poo poo. Queen Combat has a new favorite as of 07:34 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 07:30
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Oh no, not bare shoulders. https://twitter.com/MCITLFrAphorism/status/1135593970627747840?s=19 That ratio thing indecent about this post.
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Queen Combat posted:It's kind of like in Even this is pretty awkward most of the time imo, as the Osaka/Kansai dialect has widely different cultural connotations from southern American, but of course American English is one of the poorest languages in the world in terms of regional variance, so southern is the only go-to "different" dialect. I read this Japanese novel once that's set on a ship and most of the characters speak in a thick northern dialect which fits the setting and is also important in the text to distinguish between the capitalists and the proles. In the Norwegian translation, the translator found a local dialect which also conveys "lives in a northern region known for its maritime industry" and it worked great, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for people reading the English translation which necessarily would have to give up a lot of that nuance.
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"Southern" isn't the only noticeable accent in America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLwbzGyC6t4
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felch me daddy jr. posted:Even this is pretty awkward most of the time imo, as the Osaka/Kansai dialect has widely different cultural connotations from southern American, but of course American English is one of the poorest languages in the world in terms of regional variance, so southern is the only go-to "different" dialect. Boston fishermen? or heck nova scotian fishermen
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Please tell me they're accidentally quoting a parody account or something. https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/1123694533076819968?s=19
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felch me daddy jr. posted:Even this is pretty awkward most of the time imo, as the Osaka/Kansai dialect has widely different cultural connotations from southern American, but of course American English is one of the poorest languages in the world in terms of regional variance, so southern is the only go-to "different" dialect.  Which Southern?
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Skwirl posted:Shatner's not the idiot (oddly enough) Except he's wrong. There are models that are not to scale.
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felch me daddy jr. posted:Nah, it's pretty easy: a lovely accent is not the same as a different language. Either they speak the correct language or they just use their own. I don't understand how people accept that you need to speak English with a Russian accent if you're portraying a Russian-speaking character, it doesn't make any sense and breaks immersion. I could barely make it through Memoirs of a Geisha, not just because it was garbage, but because every character spoke like your local racist trying to imitate a Japanese accent. I am 100% on this team myself, but people will argue that if you don’t have the accent it seems “less realistic” which  Then there is the Rome thing, where they mapped English posh and un-posh accents on to Roman class distinctions with more or less success. But. If you’re doing a production of Henry V, what do you do with the scene where Fluellen is telling Gower the rules of war? They’re presumably speaking Welsh to each other there, as opposed to the rest of the play where they’re speaking English with heavy Welsh accents. Should the actors drop the accents? Or just keep on with them?
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felch me daddy jr. posted:Even this is pretty awkward most of the time imo, as the Osaka/Kansai dialect has widely different cultural connotations from southern American, but of course American English is one of the poorest languages in the world in terms of regional variance, so southern is the only go-to "different" dialect. I feel like the only Osaka > southern U.S. character that I've overall 'bought' is Lotta Hart from Ace Attorney. But I think that's partly because Ace Attorney was famously a lot weirder about recontextualizing its early stories to take place in America than most of its contemporaries, and partly because it's also largely written that most of Lotta's character is specifically her being a weird idiot and not really any kind of regional thing. I've also heard that Lotta was specifically designed as a stereotypical Osakan by the character designer, and then given to a writing and development team that actually lived and worked in Osaka who weren't exactly very happy with it but tried to make the best of it, so even in Japanese she's kind of a weird curveball.
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its absolutely insane to say american english has a lack of regional variation, at least in comparison to every other english speaking country, dunno about interlingually
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Queen Combat posted:Thankfully, the best film of the last ten years, The Death Of Stalin, avoided that. It's better for not doing lovely Russian accents. I'll say that both Death of Stalin and Chernobyl went a lot further toward humanizing the Soviet Union for me and painting it as a real, normal place with real, normal human beings in it, just through not using Russian accents. A movie like, oh, White Nights drowns you in bad foreign accents and it makes the whole setting seem like a hostile alien planet.
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Skwirl posted:Oh no, not bare shoulders. Anyone who says poo poo like this should be forced to wear a plastic bag over their head. Y’know, for modesty
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Skwirl posted:Oh no, not bare shoulders. Dude is getting absolutely dragged and it's showing no sign of slowing down. It's glorious.
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Bertrand Hustle posted:Dude is getting absolutely dragged and it's showing no sign of slowing down. It's glorious. UH YEAH BUT... https://twitter.com/MCITLFrAphorism/status/1135882253370888192
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Post Your Favorite (or Request): Coldly Compiled Lists > Idiots on Social Media: Jesus got ratioed
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there wolf posted:
That map is neat but it lumps way too much together. I can hear differences between Toronto, Ottawa, and Vancouver accents, e.g. poo poo, there are even different anglo Canadian accents within Toronto. There are also dozens of regional rural accents within that "1. CANADA" zone.
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:its absolutely insane to say american english has a lack of regional variation, at least in comparison to every other english speaking country, dunno about interlingually It does have less regional variation than the UK. But there's still plenty to work with.
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"I've prayed about it" he says. At the risk of sounding like one of those edgelord internet atheists, I'd have more respect for him if he discussed it with another person who could actually respond instead of convincing himself that he's right by talking to himself in an empty room.
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there wolf posted:
The one labelled as 6. The South in your image. No one's saying everyone in the south speaks exactly the same, the point is that when translating, say, an anime character from Osaka, the translator is most likely going for a "generic" southern dialect rather than a perfect Jacksonville one. Malcolm Turnbeug posted:its absolutely insane to say american english has a lack of regional variation, at least in comparison to every other english speaking country, dunno about interlingually I disagree. What regional variation there is in American English, at least with few exceptions, is pretty minor compared to many other languages. As someone who has listened to way more American than British English, it's still a lot easier for me to distinguish between someone from London and someone from Edinburgh speaking their native dialect compared to, say, someone from New York and someone from Los Angeles or Seattle or Chicago or even Toronto. This is not to say that minor differences don't exist, but you hardly ever see people genuinely struggle to communicate in the same language with different dialects, which is something you see in a lot of countries. Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Boston fishermen? I agree that the Boston dialect is another immediately recognizable one for most native speakers, at least when exaggerated, but I'm also not sure how used people are to seeing it in print and thus how suited it would be for this purpose. Also, in the novel the dialect is specifically rural or at least far from the "important" big cities, which Boston doesn't really fit. Nova Scotian might be better in that sense, but I get the impression that's not a dialect most North Americans would be familiar with, at least not to the point of picking up on those cultural signifiers. AlbieQuirky posted:Then there is the Rome thing, where they mapped English posh and un-posh accents on to Roman class distinctions with more or less success. I haven't watched Rome, but I generally have less of a problem with that kind of sociolect mapping. Haven't watched Henry V either, but of course a stage play is different from a TV show in that you can't simply put subtitles on it, so keeping it in English is more forgivable there.
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CommonShore posted:That map is neat but it lumps way too much together. I can hear differences between Toronto, Ottawa, and Vancouver accents, e.g. poo poo, there are even different anglo Canadian accents within Toronto. There are also dozens of regional rural accents within that "1. CANADA" zone. That isn't really a fair criticism if we don't know what the linguistic criteria are for these groupings here. I'd like to see a full resolution one with actually-readable text. Edit: felch me daddy jr. posted:I disagree. What regional variation there is in American English, at least with few exceptions, is pretty minor compared to many other languages. As someone who has listened to way more American than British English, it's still a lot easier for me to distinguish between someone from London and someone from Edinburgh speaking their native dialect compared to, say, someone from New York and someone from Los Angeles or Seattle or Chicago or even Toronto. This is not to say that minor differences don't exist, but you hardly ever see people genuinely struggle to communicate in the same language with different dialects, which is something you see in a lot of countries. I don't know. You might be right (recall the Chilean Spanish conversation from a while back) but it absolutely does happen quite often in English. I had to be an interpreter for my girlfriend, who grew up in Alberta, as she struggled to have conversations with old people when we visited Newfoundland. There are some regional Newfoundland accents that even I need to put some effort into understanding, and I grew up there! Then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X5zX3yVoiQ Mak0rz has a new favorite as of 14:44 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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american english is only a couple centuries old at best and took place during a period of time in which people have huge degrees of personal mobility, so it just stands to reason that american english dialects never developed as intensively as they did in other languages or even dialect groups like british english where people could have been living in certain areas for hundreds of years nobody's saying "there are no dialects in american english" but comparatively all american english is pretty similar
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I think the biggest factor is simply that the USA is loving huge and most people never encounter many of the accents in the country so they're not recognizable to most. The only accents that get much play in the media are Midwestern, Southern, maybe Texan and New Yorker if you're feeling saucey (or even Bostonian).
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luxury handset posted:american english is only a couple centuries old at best and took place during a period of time in which people have huge degrees of personal mobility, so it just stands to reason that american english dialects never developed as intensively as they did in other languages or even dialect groups like british english where people could have been living in certain areas for hundreds of years Whoops my bad! Totally misunderstood what feltch me daddy jr was saying. I didn't realize they were talking about American dialects specifically in the last sentence there. I need to ban myself from pre-coffee posting.
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Like all Americans, I don't have an accent.
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I think the saying is "there is more variation in English across 100 miles of Britain than across 1000 miles of America" or some such
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     lol at them including her bitching about Amazon e: What the gently caress happened on May 17th? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48308638 LawfulWaffle has a new favorite as of 15:13 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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"Gov. Abbott did away with sanctuary cities" what world do these people live in. That's the exact opposite of what happened.
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I'm oddly heartened that the students, rather than being terminally poisoned by having an ACTUAL TEACHER who is a raving racist loony, are actually pushing back at her en masse. Perhaps kids being raised by internet echo chambers instead of local authority figures isn't ALL bad.
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