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empty baggie posted:the PS3 Slim beat out everything, including the original PS3 because it didn't support HD audio or DTX or something along those lines. First gen blu didn't even need to support dolby surround or something dumb like that. It was a marvelously half-baked system and if HD-DVD had just been able to eke more space I imagine the fight would have been drawn out more. quote:It was noisy and got really hot when in use. The whole HD/Blu rollout was a clusterfuck from the start. FilthyImp has a new favorite as of 03:35 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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For some reason I don't think Porn was as big of a deal on Blu-Ray as it was on DVD. I have no evidence or citations to back this up, it's merely a gut feeling.
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Last Chance posted:For some reason I don't think Porn was as big of a deal on Blu-Ray as it was on DVD. I have no evidence or citations to back this up, it's merely a gut feeling. There really wasn't a competitor to DVD though was there? I thought everyone was pretty much on board with Philips from the beginning Unless you count laser disc but that was around before and just seemed to be too expensive and unweildy outside of schools and stuff like that. Porn was more betamax vs vhs and the internet e: Philips might have been CDs not DVDs Plinkey has a new favorite as of 03:45 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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FilthyImp posted:The spec wasn't finalized when the PS3 came out, but it was the most flexible player because the on board memory and storage made it actually possible to update. Yeah, I remember when I bought the original PS3, it was because it dominated blu-ray player reviews (just like the slim a few years later) and IIRC it was because it had an ethernet port and the capability to support blu-ray online features and updates, and as you mention, most of the other ones on the market at the time just played the movies but didn't take advantage of the other benefits of the platform and functioned just as higher-resolution DVD players, and a lot of them apparently didn't even do that well. Again, IIRC, the PS3 also upscaled DVD's better than most other players on the market at the time. E: one of the deciding factors in the war between blu ray and HD-DVD came down to the PS3 having one built in, and the Xbox only offering one as an add on. There was a big overlap in early home theater adopters and gamers, and having two expensive devices in one system was a big deal. empty baggie has a new favorite as of 03:48 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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empty baggie posted:E: one of the deciding factors in the war between blu ray and HD-DVD came down to the PS3 having one built in, and the Xbox only offering one as an add on. There was a big overlap in early home theater adopters and gamers, and having two expensive devices in one system was a big deal.
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FilthyImp posted:That's a good point. But the bundle caused Sony to basically lose out on a good chunk of that generation since the expensive rear end launch alienated a bunch of people. Yeah, I think there is a company man or some other youtube on it that comes to the same conclusion that it cost sony a shitload of money through both selling the ps3 at a larger loss then microsoft which let bluray take the market but at this point ps4 has almost outsold xbox one 2:1 so i guess it worked out.
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Plinkey posted:There really wasn't a competitor to DVD though was there? I thought everyone was pretty much on board with Philips from the beginning
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Last Chance posted:For some reason I don't think Porn was as big of a deal on Blu-Ray as it was on DVD. I have no evidence or citations to back this up, it's merely a gut feeling. You’re probably right. People were calling porn the big kingmaker in the format wars, but that was before streaming became a thing. Netflix started streaming around the same time the PS3 came out so people weren’t even considering online content’s implications. In the end Blu-Ray turned out to be anticlimactic. It was good for console games at least.
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Pham Nuwen posted:By the time I started at RIT (2005), they had moved to firstinitial + middleinitial + lastinitial + (4 random numbers), so Homer J Simpson might end up hjs6969@rit.edu Pham Nuwen posted:I actually really enjoyed my time at RIT although the administration, especially under Destler, seemed determined to eliminate all the poo poo students actually thought was cool.  rant about the good ol’ days before Destler whenever they call for money. Aunt Beth has a new favorite as of 05:16 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Plinkey posted:Yeah, I think there is a company man or some other youtube on it that comes to the same conclusion that it cost sony a shitload of money through both selling the ps3 at a larger loss then microsoft which let bluray take the market but at this point ps4 has almost outsold xbox one 2:1 so i guess it worked out. I don't think that MS ever really wanted HDDVD to win. I think they wanted it to hurt Blu-ray because they believed that online streaming would be the future, so anything they could do to hurt/slow blu-ray adoption was a win for them. Of course, their online video service never really went anywhere, so maybe it was on accident.
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Aunt Beth posted:Hell yeah to all this. I always give the poor kids on Telefund a Wait, you remember Simone's time there as good? I graduated in 2004 so I have no idea what Destler was like, but Simone was... inept, I guess is the word.
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twistedmentat posted:I never once used my university email, i had a perfectly good one at home. Why should I just have to use some clunky command path email system when i have outlook at home i can check my twistedmentat @ buttnet.com email?
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Krispy Wafer posted:You’re probably right. People were calling porn the big kingmaker in the format wars, but that was before streaming became a thing. Netflix started streaming around the same time the PS3 came out so people weren’t even considering online content’s implications. Porn really wasn't a 'big kingmaker' in any of the format wars, that's just a popular misconception and also one that doesn't even really make sense in context? Early home video recorders ala VHS/Beta didn't even really have prerecorded media in mind when they were made. They were explicitly meant to be bought so you could record your programs onto them. And in that regard, VHS won handily because it had a significantly longer recording time than Beta, which was hampered by the physical dimensions of the media literally being decided based on a 'nice sized paperback book' as opposed to designing around the length of tape needed to record X amount of hours onto it. Beta basically lost by the time any substantial numbers of prerecorded media made their way to market/video rental stores began cropping up, because all the adopters of video recorders had gone VHS. (also there wasn't any kind of 'Sony seal of approval' to distribute any tapes on Beta so there absolutely are porn titles on the format, but  )
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I bought the 360 HD DVD drive and a dozen movies for something like £20 a month after HD DVD was declared dead. It was actually pretty nice having a second drive for the 360 because it meant I didn't have to eject whatever game I was playing if I wanted to watch a film. And at that price it was way cheaper than buying even the DVD versions of the films, never mind the blu rays which were generally £20 each. I ended up buying four or five more movies for two quid or less each, then sold the whole lot (including the drive) for £10 when I moved house last year. £10 net for a whole bunch of films and a convenient player that had regular usage for a decade was a bargain imo. For comparison, going to a regular screening at the local cinema is £12.
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Trabant posted:Wait, you remember Simone's time there as good? I graduated in 2004 so I have no idea what Destler was like, but Simone was... inept, I guess is the word.
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Aunt Beth posted:I heard nothing but gold things about Simone coming in and doing positive things like lowering the suicide rate and building community on campus. Then Destler came in and blew up the quarter system and started to turn RIT from a first-rate teaching and experiential university to a third-rate research school. Exactly! Luckily I got out before we lost the quarter system; I loved the relatively quicker pace of 10-week classes, which also meant you had the same schedule every week instead of the on-and-off nonsense you sometimes see in semester systems. They also killed the building numbers in favor of 3-letter abbreviations, which we hated. Destler was also all about INNOVATION which meant tuition hikes to pay for his stupid toilet bowl "Innovation Center" where that insufferable RMS wannabe Remy Decausemaker hung out (I'm not kidding about the name, here's his loving website https://decau.se/) Aunt Beth posted:Sup fellow 05 freshman. What program were you in? Computer Engineering, the smuggest of programs.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Exactly! Luckily I got out before we lost the quarter system; I loved the relatively quicker pace of 10-week classes, which also meant you had the same schedule every week instead of the on-and-off nonsense you sometimes see in semester systems. Man, it's possible to make that picture less flattering but that would take some serious effort.
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ishikabibble posted:Porn really wasn't a 'big kingmaker' in any of the format wars, that's just a popular misconception and also one that doesn't even really make sense in context? In a way it makes sense that porn on DVD took off in the early 2000's. It was much smaller and easier to conceal than a big old VHS tape in an even larger box, plus you usually got a ton of bonus features including "multiple angles." The internet was only starting to become ubiquitous and you still had to find and download short clips. Streaming was just starting to take off when Blu-Rays came around so it wasn't considered a factor yet, with the way porn boomed on DVD at the time, it was assumed that it would be what determines the winner of the format wars. Of course then streaming happened, Blu-Ray won, but didn't really capture the market like was expected. There's actually very little porn on Blu-Ray, even the boutique labels that put out restorations from porn shot on film put most of their releases out on DVD.
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ishikabibble posted:Beta basically lost by the time any substantial numbers of prerecorded media made their way to market/video rental stores began cropping up, because all the adopters of video recorders had gone VHS.
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:In my college everyone's email address was firstinitial+lastinitial+last4ofSSN@college.edu Ours (circa mid-90s) was: gsa[student-initials]@[strange-abbreviation-for-college-name].edu No one ever found out what "gsa" meant. There were rumors that it stood for "general student account" but that was never confirmed. As for the domain name, it was just a really weird too-short abbreviation. Like if you started with Kansas Lutheran College you'd end up with kalthrn.edu.
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Powered Descent posted:Ours (circa mid-90s) was: gsa[student-initials]@[strange-abbreviation-for-college-name].edu Gay Sex Abstainer lmao, laffo, and hmbol.
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I'm young enough that my first sexual experience was seeing a picture of Princess Peach naked on the internet. And now I'm like this. Besides, there are old 1960's programs in FORTRAN and poo poo to print out sexy lady ASCII art, so I assure you all people have been masturbating to computers for over half a century.
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I would be surprised if seed was not spilled over the Antikythera Mechanism.
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T-man posted:I'm young enough that my first sexual experience was seeing a picture of Princess Peach naked on the internet. And now I'm like this. I miss sexy lady ASCII art. You don't get artistry like that any more. I am not sure how they created them with the technology they had at the time - did someone 'paint' them by hand?
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Pham Nuwen posted:They also killed the building numbers in favor of 3-letter abbreviations, which we hated. lol the only place I've seen this was at a community college, and three-letter building codes has been their deal since the 60s. the thing I hated was when they replaced the building signage from these huge, bold, white letters bolted directly to the upper corner of the building- which is how it was when my mom went back to school in the early 90s- with big blue plastic circles with smaller letters on em that were there by the time I went in the 00s granted, it's weirdly prestigious for a community college, consistently ranked top 1% nationwide, almost became the first Community University, resides in one of the wealthiest counties in the midwest- but still, lol @ chasing the cutting edge innovation of county community colleges
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Platystemon posted:I would be surprised if none of the ancients were aroused by the Antikythera Mechanism. Just wait until someone unearths the sequel, the Antiurethra Mechanism.
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Shut up Meg posted:I miss sexy lady ASCII art.
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Shut up Meg posted:I miss sexy lady ASCII art. ...they had dot matrix printers. It amazes me that a computer terminal console used to be an actual big old console where everything would be printed on paper. Which means it took minutes for your sexy lady to print out, and she'll be SCEEEEEECHing the entire time. I kinda wish there was a simulator style game where you use old 1950's mainframes and stuff. You could even try to emulate at the hardware level from museum pieces and people could try to stretch the hardware/programming of these IRL monsters. It could be the even more hipster version of all those new C64 games that Techmoan always talks about. The way we're losing old systems to tape degradation and misuse this might be the only way to reasonably preserve these power hungry drama queens long term.
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T-man posted:...they had dot matrix printers. SIMH (https://github.com/simh/simh) is pretty good, it emulates a lot of the important systems of the 60s, 70s, and 80s including:
I ran VMS on a SIMH VAX for quite a while. There's an emulator for the Multics hardware: https://www.multicians.org/simulator.html One for IBM mainframes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(emulator)
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In the 1960s, they had line printers capable of hundreds of lines of text (or sexy ladies) per minute.
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T-man posted:...they had dot matrix printers. No, I don't mean bitmapped images: that was a relatively simple process to create a printable image. I mean ASCII art that created 'photorealistic' images out of letters: I'm pretty sure you couldn't convert a bitmapped image into a letter-based format with a simple app using the tech of the time. SubG posted:Yeah. ASCII art predates the computer. The first commercially successful typewriters were made in the 1870s. The first known examples of typewriter art are from the 1890s. Yeah, those are what I am thinking of, but you 'paint' them with the typewriter. Did they do that with a terminal? E: They did! code:
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Wasn't there an ASCII art renderer for Quake? Or maybe it was Doom.
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Dicty Brojangles posted:Wasn't there an ASCII art renderer for Quake? Or maybe it was Doom. Quake, then Quake 2, then someone did it for Doom. Here is Quake 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nRPoS2WDJA Here is Doom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s15eJ9WMfVg
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I remember there were these kiosks back in the 70’s where you’d get your picture taken and the operator would print out a black and white ASCII portrait of you on a dot matrix printer I don’t remember how widespread they were but the mall in my 25,000 person hometown had one for a while
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I believe the doom and quake ones are a side effect of how the 2D graphics stack in SDL (a common library for portable game development, especially on Linux) can use an ascii art renderer (libaa?) as its output device - which is both more and less impressive.
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What would be truly impressive is if someone made an ASCII renderer for Roller Coaster Tycoon without rebuilding the game like with OpenRCT2.
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T-man posted:Besides, there are old 1960's programs in FORTRAN and poo poo to print out sexy lady ASCII art, so I assure you all people have been masturbating to computers for over half a century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlrITxB5qg Skip to 3:20 and 7:20 if you're impatient. Sweevo has a new favorite as of 00:02 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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ishikabibble posted:Early home video recorders ala VHS/Beta didn't even really have prerecorded media in mind when they were made. They were explicitly meant to be bought so you could record your programs onto them. And in that regard, VHS won handily because it had a significantly longer recording time than Beta, which was hampered by the physical dimensions of the media literally being decided based on a 'nice sized paperback book' as opposed to designing around the length of tape needed to record X amount of hours onto it. The fact that Beta tapes were sold according to physical length of the tape rather than recording time certainly didn't help.
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Besides doing it by hand, there was eventually stuff like the thunderscan, which turned your printer into a scanner. Pretty neat idea.Sweevo posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlrITxB5qg The last line of the video is really the killer bit, imo. Bargearse posted:The fact that Beta tapes were sold according to physical length of the tape rather than recording time certainly didn't help. Did those work like audio cassettes, where you could record/play slower to save more data? Relatedly, I remember blank videocassettes being marked LP/EP/&c. for the different speed/quality settings, but did something special have to be done to the cassettes for that to work, or was it all on the deck, making the box markings utterly irrelevant?
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