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highme posted:Pardon my tourist rear end question, but is The Hub a chain or a certain type of bar? British pub chain that also always seem to have blind-date meet-ups happening every night.
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harperdc posted:British pub chain that also always seem to have blind-date meet-ups happening every night. If you're going to ones that are dead enough to have actual meetups you're going to the wrong ones
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ntan1 posted:Come back to the states I have a bum house if you need a place to stop by!! That sounds better than any other rooms available to me when I visit home. I might for real ask to rent a room next time XD
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Jun 4, 2019 05:12
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Mentaiko wrapped in bacon is good
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On my way home from Tokyo now, thanks to everyone in the thread who answered my dumb questions, and the food map was especially great. Can't wait to have some room to actually stretch out again
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Spuckuk posted:the food map was especially great. What is this? I’m part way thu my trip here. Leaving for Hakone tomorrow and then on to Kyoto. Would love some food recs. Some noob observations Where are the trash cans. Those metro cars are CLEAN Nope. Everything is that clean. Wow. What’s the deal with the yellow line on the sidewalk Can’t wait to see more. Want to eat more food. E: toilets. Omg. I know what I’m buying when I get back! ThirstyBuck fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 10:24
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ThirstyBuck posted:What is this? I’m part way thu my trip here. Leaving for Hakone tomorrow and then on to Kyoto. Would love some food recs. -At your home or inside the convenience store (or sometimes also the recycle bins next to vending machines shhhhh) -It was national news last year when a couple subway cars got tagged by graffiti artists, that sort of thing just doesn't happen here -Yep there's both much better control of litter and also an army of older people who work part-time sweeping everything up in Tokyo -yellow lines are for people who are blind primarily -eat everything
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Jun 4, 2019 10:29
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Had the annoying thing today where I tried to get some yakitori at a random takeout place and I ordered all kinds of stuff in Japanese and the guy just pointed at the standard meat stick and kept blurting out "CHICKEN CHICKEN" for no reason. What goes on in someone's head when they do that.
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Jun 4, 2019 11:50
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Shibawanko posted:Had the annoying thing today where I tried to get some yakitori at a random takeout place and I ordered all kinds of stuff in Japanese and the guy just pointed at the standard meat stick and kept blurting out "CHICKEN CHICKEN" for no reason. What goes on in someone's head when they do that. “I know English!”
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Jun 4, 2019 13:20
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Shibawanko posted:What goes on in someone's head when they do that. "I can't understand what the gently caress this white boy is trying to say."
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Jun 4, 2019 13:50
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I mean, or that. It’s really hard to tell without being there.
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Stringent posted:"I can't understand what the gently caress this white boy is trying to say." He put the poo poo i ordered in the bag correctly though
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Jun 4, 2019 15:03
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I mean, I have enough faith in my fellow human beings to believe they were trying to be helpful. Especially since they got the order right. On the other hand, it’s hard to shake the “is this guy loving with me” feeling.
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Jun 4, 2019 15:47
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Shibawanko posted:Had the annoying thing today where I tried to get some yakitori at a random takeout place and I ordered all kinds of stuff in Japanese and the guy just pointed at the standard meat stick and kept blurting out "CHICKEN CHICKEN" for no reason. What goes on in someone's head when they do that. Pollyanna posted:I mean, I have enough faith in my fellow human beings to believe they were trying to be helpful. Especially since they got the order right. On the other hand, it’s hard to shake the “is this guy loving with me” feeling. Your Japanese has a distinctive foreign accent. They can’t tell from your short interaction how good your Japanese is because their sample size isn’t enough to tell if you’re good at grammar/general communication enough to understand them so they’re defaulting to the sound. To minimize this try prefacing what you’re saying with “ええと” or some other 前置き which indicates your understand the flow of Japanese conversation beyond just barking out words you remembered.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:00
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LimburgLimbo posted:Your Japanese has a distinctive foreign accent. They can’t tell from your short interaction how good your Japanese is because their sample size isn’t enough to tell if you’re good at grammar/general communication enough to understand them so they’re defaulting to the sound. Yeah I said eeeto and a big drawn out summmmaassen as well but no dice, I think the guy was just a little awkward in general. It might also be because I don't just look foreign but like, ultraforeign with blonde hair and a big pointy nose and everything.
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LimburgLimbo posted:Your Japanese has a distinctive foreign accent. They can’t tell from your short interaction how good your Japanese is because their sample size isn’t enough to tell if you’re good at grammar/general communication enough to understand them so they’re defaulting to the sound. I think this happened way after that point though? Shibawanko already ordered in intelligible Japanese, considering the order was right. The guy should already know how good their Japanese is.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:46
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You're in Asia. There are lots of That Guy all over. I wouldn't waste the time worrying about it since you got what you wanted. It's only a problem when they refuse to acknowledge what you're saying at all.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:48
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I don’t think I ever ran into anybody that did the whole “not Japanese = cannot possibly speak Japanese” thing when I was over there, personally. I did constantly feel awful for not being better at it though.
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Jun 4, 2019 16:58
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I found that most people would reply back in Japanese if I spoke to them in kind. Very intricate, fast, complex Japanese 
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Jun 4, 2019 17:00
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Live in Asia for a while. You'll meet plenty. It also varies by location. Rarely happened in Sichuan, was a multiple weekly occurrence in Korea.
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ThirstyBuck posted:Where are the trash cans. Removed due to the Tokyo subway sarin attacks of 1995. Lots of sources, here's the first I found on Google https://jpninfo.com/54373 ThirstyBuck posted:Nope. Everything is that clean. Wow. Yeah they don't really like graffiti in Japan. Here's another one that made the news https://soranews24.com/2019/05/23/australian-tourist-in-japan-arrested-for-graffiti-around-kamogawa-river-in-kyoto/ Its just art mannnnn MoofOntario fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Jun 4, 2019 17:06
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Grand Fromage posted:Live in Asia for a while. You'll meet plenty. If it’s because they’re excited to use their English then I totally understand, if it’s because they think I can’t understand their language then they’re probably right but still, c’mon.
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Jun 4, 2019 17:13
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My favorite in Korea was when I'd go out with one of my Chinese friends. She didn't speak any Korean and I was not great or anything but could communicate. Frequently we'd end up in a triangle of stupid where I spoke Korean to the Korean staff, who would not even look at me and reply to my Chinese friend, who would just sit there silent while I continued the conversation.
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It's not as bad as when I first moved there, they're moving past it. You barely even get stared at anymore.
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People everywhere are bad at dealing with that kind of stuff. My mom has an accent and so many times I want to tell people that she isn't deaf - she just doesn't get your weird slang. Don't just repeat yourself louder - it doesn't help. It's also painful watching my work colleagues speak to the Japanese staff because I know the Japanese staff don't understand them because they're using a lot of colloquolisms and complex sentence structures that are very different from Japanese (and thus Japanese people just don't think in a way that let's them follow those sentences easily). Speaking to a non-native (or non-fluent) speaker is a skill that people need to develop over time. Sometimes people will have had that opportunity but many times not. That's just the way it goes.
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totalnewbie posted:Speaking to a non-native (or non-fluent) speaker is a skill that people need to develop over time. Sometimes people will have had that opportunity but many times not. That's just the way it goes. there's this cool dude that I play basketball with from central china, he's studying here for a year in the usa, and after playing like a month ago I went with him and our buddy Tian to go get pizza. we switch back and forth in chinese and English a fair amount, and I was telling them a story, I can't remember exactly what it was, but after I told it he said to me "I'm so happy to spend time with you, because I can understand everything you say in English" and I was like "ya dude I lived in China for nine years and married someone who speaks English as a third language, I'm quite used to speaking slowly, clearly and in common words people can understand" and he had the biggest grin on his face, it was actually really cute lol it's definitely a skill that takes time to develop, I do imagine a fair amount of goons that have lived in Japan for an extend period of time have it as well. it goes the other way as well, my old co-director in china was from Beijing but she didn't have an accent, and she spoke the clearest, most easy to understand mandarin, and I could always follow everything she was saying. she taught chinese in the states for two years when she was doing her masters and she'd be talking and I'd understand every single word she said, and then it would go over to Yao and he would just string together something that sounded like a really loud fart and I'd be like "...what was that" my old landlord also did the "oh you didn't hear what I said? I'll just scream it at you" thing, where I'd specifically say "please speak slower, it's difficult to understand on the phone" and then he would say "ok" and then just start SCREAMING into the phone, just as fast as he was before
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Well you also have to compensate for landlords being pieces of poo poo.
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I nearly booked a late trip for July since I found some decent ticket prices but thought better of it after some searching around if the heat/humidity is -really- that bad. I could probably handle it without dying but walking around soaked in sweat all day isn't very pleasant.
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Jun 4, 2019 22:42
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Doooo it and come to Fuji Rock. Weather's fine to deal with if you're wearing the right clothes (read: no cotton ANYTHING).
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totalnewbie posted:Doooo it and come to Fuji Rock. I think almost every single piece of clothing I own is cotton 
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MoofOntario posted:Removed due to the Tokyo subway sarin attacks of 1995. Lots of sources, here's the first I found on Google https://jpninfo.com/54373 Unless you're Banksy. Then it apparently qualifies as art instead of graffiti. https://twitter.com/ecoyuri/status/1085767968959561729
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netcat posted:I think almost every single piece of clothing I own is cotton This is why you're miserable in the heat. I go every July and wear: Wool socks - both because I go hiking so thicker socks are nice (though there's thin) and also because wool wicks water away from your feet so they stay relatively dry. Wool also does not promote bacterial growth like cotton does and so your socks don't stink nearly as much as if you had worn cotton socks. Seriously, go get yourself a pair of wool socks and wear them around for a day. They don't come out of your shoes smelling like fresh laundry, but it is totally fine. Wool underwear/boxer briefs. Same reason - they keep everything dry. Quick dry material hiking pants - light weight and they zip off into shorts  Synthetic shirt - wicks sweat away, doesn't stink, light weight and dries quickly. A hat! Don't underestimate the importance of a good sun hat. The above is all pretty standard hiking gear but if you're going to be walking around outside, it doesn't really matter if you're in the woods or in the city - you should dress appropriately, which means not like you're going to be in an air conditioned office or house all day.
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i deal with japan summer with 1) compression pants to keep my chonky thighs from touching 2) going to uniqlo and raiding the airism undershirts also by staying underground as much as possible. or going up north.
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LimburgLimbo posted:Your Japanese has a distinctive foreign accent. They can’t tell from your short interaction how good your Japanese is because their sample size isn’t enough to tell if you’re good at grammar/general communication enough to understand them so they’re defaulting to the sound. Pretty accurate. Except the えっと、あの、えぇぇ thing probably doesn't work either because it really is just accent training. Like, it's just painfully obvious (and I've also seen a lot of white/chinese people with really strong accents speak Japanese and it can be hard to understand too). PS: I've been told I don't really have an American or Chinese accent when speaking Japanese, and that I'm super natural. I think this is an advantage from learning how to speak in middle school.
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totalnewbie posted:This is why you're miserable in the heat. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind since I actually did go ahead with the booking (still have 24 hours to cancel if I panic!!) I'll just have to pick up some appropriate clothes 
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ntan1 posted:PS: I've been told I don't really have an American or Chinese accent when speaking Japanese, and that I'm super natural. I think this is an advantage from learning how to speak in middle school. drat that's badass.
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Some people are just better at that than others. A friend of mine sounds exactly like a Brit but only lived there for a few years (she's Brazilian) For me personally, I think already knowing a tonal language and learning by immersion helped me avoid the worst of the accents. netcat posted:Thanks, I'll keep this in mind since I actually did go ahead with the booking (still have 24 hours to cancel if I panic!!) Want to come to Fuji Rock? Best music festival ever. Last weekend of July. Pm me if Interested.
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I cope with summer by not leaving the house until happy hour or later. And even that is still pretty unbearable.
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Shibawanko posted:He put the poo poo i ordered in the bag correctly though Yeah, wasn't a comment on your Japanese which I'm sure is fine, but you asked what was going through the guy's head at the time.
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