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fedora 30 with whatever version of gnome it ships with is perfectly acceptable for the desktop linux experience
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Phoenixan posted:fedora 30 with whatever version of gnome it ships with is perfectly acceptable for the desktop linux experience so its terrible
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Jun 5, 2019 03:02
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The_Franz posted:every time i hear someone say that kde is fine now i try it and inevitably find tons of jank within a few minutes. little things like text not lining up right, windows being undersized slightly which causes unnecessary scroll bars to appear, the panel casting a shadow on abutting windows and other things of that nature welcome to linux enjoy your stay when i say "it's fine now" i mean it doesn't crash, write garbage to its preference files, or lack obvious features like a clock. which all happened in early versions of kde 4. un-polished ui is just... kde doing what it does
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Jun 5, 2019 03:08
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:welcome to linux enjoy your stay you can always download themes and poo poo that aren't terrible! lemme know when you find one, I'm still using a janky one from KDE2 or some poo poo
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Jun 5, 2019 03:10
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if you must use something other than macOS, just use CDE it doesn’t have themes other than “Soviet airbase” and it’ll work just fine on pretty much any hardware from 1991 or later
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Jun 5, 2019 03:40
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gnome 3 with arc ftw.
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Jun 5, 2019 03:56
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What are yinz doing with zsh that you couldn't do with bash or pretty much any other shell? I feel like I don't really don't use enough fancy shell features to notice much of a difference between the two.
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Jun 5, 2019 05:11
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HamAdams posted:What are yinz doing with zsh that you couldn't do with bash or pretty much any other shell? I feel like I don't really don't use enough fancy shell features to notice much of a difference between the two. tab complete never feels right with bash but always does with zsh also theming because i never grew past 12
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Jun 5, 2019 05:12
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HamAdams posted:What are yinz doing with zsh that you couldn't do with bash or pretty much any other shell? I feel like I don't really don't use enough fancy shell features to notice much of a difference between the two. - better tab complete - the up arrow will match items based on something you already have typed in which is very neat - which will tell you if a command is an alias instead of just telling you its not on your path While not zsh specifically the plugin ecosystem around oh-my-zsh has some cool stuff too like colored man pages and fish style auto-suggestions/syntax highlighting Also theming cause I too am 12
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Jun 5, 2019 05:24
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Genera’s Dynamic Listener beats the pants off any other command line
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Jun 5, 2019 05:26
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I too like zsh because of: Better git autocomplete the Z command Themes, because I too am 12.
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Jun 5, 2019 05:30
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Tanners posted:- better tab complete don’t need zsh for colored man pages or any extension. just set your less termcap
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Jun 5, 2019 05:54
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:xfce doesn't even have a clipboard manager dude it does though??? clipman has been there forever, you've must done something weird
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Jun 5, 2019 06:38
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The_Franz posted:every time i hear someone say that kde is fine now i try it and inevitably find tons of jank within a few minutes. little things like text not lining up right, windows being undersized slightly which causes unnecessary scroll bars to appear, the panel casting a shadow on abutting windows and other things of that nature well that's what they've been doing with plasma 5 for a while now, you should try it again. you will always find jank no matter what de or os, but it gets gradually better all the time
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Jun 5, 2019 06:45
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eschaton posted:don’t forget that they also decided that the GNOME UI should be optimized for phones and tablets, not desktop and portable computers that whole thing was so bizarre, some moron was convinced that anyone would ever want to deal with gnome on a touch interface and that therefore the UI should be rendered completely useless to support their purely theoretical and contrived needs
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Jun 5, 2019 10:50
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Progressive JPEG posted:that whole thing was so bizarre, some moron was convinced that anyone would ever want to deal with gnome on a touch interface and that therefore the UI should be rendered completely useless to support their purely theoretical and contrived needs but isn't that the same thing that happened to windows? looking at the start menu of W10, I'm not sure it wants to be a tablet interface or something for use with a mouse pointer.
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Jun 5, 2019 11:31
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mike12345 posted:but isn't that the same thing that happened to windows? looking at the start menu of W10, I'm not sure it wants to be a tablet interface or something for use with a mouse pointer. oh right i guess it was around the same time as windows 8 was collapsing in its own sea of touch enabled user hostility forgot the prime directive of linux GUI development: clone whatever windows does, especially the bad stuff
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Jun 5, 2019 11:45
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excuse me, linux had multiple control panels first
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Jun 5, 2019 11:51
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eschaton posted:Genera’s Dynamic Listener beats the pants off any other command line so you want to work with objects instead of just text.... might I recommend powershell??
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Jun 5, 2019 14:29
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touch is clearly the future of user interfaces. why, I use the touchscreen on my surface every day ... to swipe up on the lock screen. that’s literally the only time I ever touch the screen. idk why I even do that
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Jun 5, 2019 18:53
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you joke because you've never seen a one year old use an ipad
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Jun 5, 2019 18:59
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pseudorandom name posted:you joke because you've never seen a one year old use an ipad this'd be an argument if the preceding dominant user interface paradigm was entirely based on ineffectually swatting at a baby mobile
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Jun 5, 2019 19:12
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:this'd be an argument if the preceding dominant user interface paradigm was entirely based on ineffectually swatting at a baby mobile thats how most guis make me feel
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Jun 6, 2019 00:25
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Phoenixan posted:fedora 30 with whatever version of gnome it ships with is perfectly acceptable for the desktop linux experience 
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Jun 6, 2019 01:04
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oh hey, on the topic of GNOME 3's stupid beyond stupid touch-centrism, anyone have any bookmarks to any satisfying rants against gnome 3 design choices? i 100% agree but my attempts to google for "why is gnome 3 so bad?" and similar have never turned up anything worth reading
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Jun 6, 2019 01:15
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i use a ui for a terminal and a browser, and i dont need gnome for that. something like dwm or i3 is more than enough. if i could render html in the console i probably would never leave it (cue someone finding an esoteric project that does exactly this)
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Jun 6, 2019 01:51
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what bugs me more than the gnome style of touch friendly are hot corners, having your taskbar hidden and it jumps up when you're dragging and dropping something to the bottom of the screen, etc that are pretty much ubiquitous among all the desktop environments. gnome's result is actually fine for me on a laptop because reorganizing windows, launching applications, that kind of stuff that shouldn't need a mouse doesn't. kind of like windows when there were extensions to tile windows or at least split the screen with them and you could throw all your windows around with your keyboard fairly easily. i guess the one thing i can say is that going back when i had icons on my desktop to now, i've become application-centric instead of file-centric.
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Jun 6, 2019 02:07
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lifetime supply of Pocky posted:oh hey, on the topic of GNOME 3's stupid beyond stupid touch-centrism, anyone have any bookmarks to any satisfying rants against gnome 3 design choices? lol. "i hate this thing but can anyone tell me why i hate it?" (this post is not an endorsement for gnome)
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Jun 6, 2019 02:38
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Helicity posted:(cue someone finding an esoteric project that does exactly this) http://w3m.sourceforge.net/
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Jun 6, 2019 02:45
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bring back desktop icons please
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Jun 6, 2019 02:46
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Pie Colony posted:lol. "i hate this thing but can anyone tell me why i hate it?" hey, i am a dumb sack of poo poo, but not in that specific way i know why i hate gnome - the ui is poo poo, settings are useless, the "restore minimal functionality with unsupported extensions" excuse, the air of imperiousness from the devs on all the broken poo poo i'm asking if anybody else has ran across anyone blogging their gripes that was entertaining enough to share
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Jun 6, 2019 02:48
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el dorito posted:bring back desktop icons please boo this man
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Jun 6, 2019 02:54
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i was thinking more of like what notty brings to the table: https://github.com/withoutboats/notty
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Jun 6, 2019 03:06
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Helicity posted:i was thinking more of like what notty brings to the table: https://github.com/withoutboats/notty yet another abandoned next gen terminal project
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Jun 6, 2019 04:01
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lifetime supply of Pocky posted:hey, i am a dumb sack of poo poo, but not in that specific way This guy's been blogging about the different ways GNOME 3 has changed for the worse for a decade, though he doesn't appear to have tagged the GNOME posts for linking convenience.
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Jun 6, 2019 04:08
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huh i figured allan would have burned out by now
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Jun 6, 2019 04:44
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i wish i could just use almquist shell for everything but every time I try that I end up prototyping with bash to get the script working
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Jun 6, 2019 04:56
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lifetime supply of Pocky posted:oh hey, on the topic of GNOME 3's stupid beyond stupid touch-centrism, anyone have any bookmarks to any satisfying rants against gnome 3 design choices? it's more of a "where does one start?" kinda problem
all of these are, individually, roots of mass dysfunction that prevent a usable environment from ever emerging. arguably, any or all of them could be the cause for my own part, i point at the second system effect, or the third order, fear thereof, as the main culprit. the java-gnome fiasco, and the failure of eazel, and the total lack of documentation for bonobo or the lower-level ORBit and service registry libraries put the fear into what few, traumatized developers were left for the gnome 3 effort.
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Jun 6, 2019 04:59
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tl;dr gnome 2 had a lot of potential that fizzled out gnome 3 was dogshit from day one, and never had any kind of a plan that made sense
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el dorito posted:bring back desktop icons please
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