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MoaM posted:Exactly how "Fixing Chernobyl" comes about is one of the least important things that makes this series good; the show's about political power and the abuse there-of. Yeah but as hateable as people like Dyatlov got, the show lecturing about telling the truth and all that was actually the least interesting part of the show. The "fixing" part was more true to life and more dramatic.
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Evidently this show goosed the price of my hardcover copy of The Truth About Chernobyl so now I'm a rare book collector.
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Kraftwerk posted:A very long post about the Chemical industry cutting corners. It's stuff like this that makes me realize how trying to discuss the cause of the disaster itself in terms of communism or capitalism are missing the point. The incentive to cut costs, to increase production even at the expense of safety protocols, is persistent no matter the economic system, because everyone has someone above them who wants something to be faster, more efficient, more impressive; everyone has pressure to not rock the boat and to conform to the status quo; everyone has superiors who don't want to be told that what they're doing is wrong; everyone has other people who don't know what they're doing yet still feel empowered to tell them what to do. Basically, too many people want to make themselves look better, and are willing to cut seemingly unimportant corners in a complex system they don't fully understand. Which doesn't mean that different systems, policies, people, can't mitigate or exacerbate the risks. But that it's not something that anyone, ever, has been able to excise from the human condition.
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If you want to get your hands on a copy of the book, don't forget WorldCat exists to find library copies in public, private, and collegiate libraries.
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Comrade Koba posted:The role of the malnourished 4-year old girl will, naturally, be played by Jared Harris. I'm loving down 
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This is why Im saying it isnt about communism vs capitalism. Its about the flaws inherent to human nature. It sickens me how much people are politicizing this show already and writing op-Eds about how its the soviet unions fault even though Fukushima was pulling similar bullshit.
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etalian posted:Don't GIS Hiroshi Ouchi, the pictures were so gruesome. Those pictures are terrible but they arent Hiroshi. Here is a detailed read on it https://www.reddit.com/user/willowoftheriver/comments/7czmvt/83_days_of_radiation_sickness_the_death_of/
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Speaking of which, does anyone know good literature about other major manmade catastrophes caused by a combination of human corruption, shortsightedness, and hubristic attempts to manipulate a ridiculously complicated system leading to cascading consequences? I'm already reading about the 2008 Financial Crisis, as well this show. I'm thinking I want to read something about China's Great Leap Forward, or maybe the original Great Depression, or some other horrible societal cataclysm I can't think of right now.
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Xanderkish posted:Speaking of which, does anyone know good literature about other major manmade catastrophes caused by a combination of human corruption, shortsightedness, and hubristic attempts to manipulate a ridiculously complicated system leading to cascading consequences? Not quite shortsightedness but people just not knowing what the hell is going, read Atomic Accidents: A History of Nuclear Meltdowns and Disasters: From the Ozark Mountains to Fukushima. It details just about every fuckup in the industry youve never heard of and starts as early as you can get.
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Jun 5, 2019 02:40
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"Command and control" would be a good one for the nuclear weapon side of things.
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His recaps have been posted earlier in this thread but just recommending again checking out Slava Malamud's twitter posts about Chernobyl, which have been really fascinating. https://twitter.com/SlavaMalamud/status/1135869402962944000
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Xanderkish posted:Speaking of which, does anyone know good literature about other major manmade catastrophes caused by a combination of human corruption, shortsightedness, and hubristic attempts to manipulate a ridiculously complicated system leading to cascading consequences? They're smaller accidents and aren't "disasters" on the scale of Chernobyl, but the Apollo 1, Challenger and Columbia LOCV events are all very much about cutting corners and becoming lax about safety standards, as well as, especially with Challenger and Columbia, an attitude of "well this has happened before and nothing bad happened so it must be OK" when it came to risk assessment.
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CommanderApaul posted:They're smaller accidents and aren't "disasters" on the scale of Chernobyl, but the Apollo 1, Challenger and Columbia LOCV events are all very much about cutting corners and becoming lax about safety standards, as well as, especially with Challenger and Columbia, an attitude of "well this has happened before and nothing bad happened so it must be OK" when it came to risk assessment. Don't forget Deepwater Horizon and BP trying to cover up the responsibility for what happened. quote:A House Energy and Commerce Committee statement in June 2010 noted that in a number of cases leading up to the explosion, BP appears to have chosen riskier procedures to save time or money, sometimes against the advice of its staff or contractors etalian fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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The scripts are up if you want to read them. https://twitter.com/clmazin/status/1136051861952258048?s=21
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TinTower posted:The scripts are up if you want to read them. Nice so he leaves a blueprint on how to make a good show.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Nice so he leaves a blueprint on how to make a good show. Step 1: Cast Jared Harris Step 2: Hell yes.
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Fringe is one of my favourite television series and Im happy its one of Jareds too.  If neither Harris or Skasgrd get the Emmy, we riot. TinTower fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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TinTower posted:Fringe is one of my favourite television series and Im happy its one of Jareds too. I was just thinking the same thing. By the way what is fringe? Is it worth watching first over Terror? I need my Jared fix.
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TinTower posted:Fringe is one of my favourite television series and Im happy its one of Jareds too. Kanye West runs up on stage and steals the mic from Emilia Clarke: "Jared Harris deserved actress of the year!"
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It was a FOX series that took the X-Files formula and applied it to fringe science. Five series, with the fifth one commissioned rather obviously to get it up to the magic 100 episodes. It had John Noble in it, whos always a delight to watch, as the lead character, and Harris played the Big Bad of series 1. It was really enjoyable and was a cult hit, which explains why it survived half of its run in the infamous Friday night death slot. e: I actually looked it up and Fringe was basically the last show to actually run in the FNDS before Fox decided not to put scripted drama in there any more. TinTower fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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Kraftwerk posted:I was just thinking the same thing. Fringe is a scifi show, sooort of along the lines of X Files where they solve a different scifi thingy every week but also there's an over arcing plot. Also has John Noble. It's like a 5 season show so it'll take some time to get through edit: ^^ lol ya
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Kanye West runs up on stage and steals the mic from Emilia Clarke: "Jared Harris deserved actress of the year!" Kanye gets a standing ovation.
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One thing that did bug me from the latest episode is there was a scene labeled "march" in moscow and there were leaves on the trees and snow banks nowhere.
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Kraftwerk posted:I was just thinking the same thing. The Terror is amazing and is easily binged. It is also somewhat tonally similar to Chernobyl, the pervasive dread and all.
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hobbesmaster posted:"Command and control" would be a good one for the nuclear weapon side of things. There's already been a pseudo-dramatization of Command and Control (albeit one done by PBS): https://www.pbs.org/video/american-experience-command-and-control-film/
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TinTower posted:The scripts are up if you want to read them. This is gold.
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Kraftwerk posted:I was just thinking the same thing. Fringe is a mediocre sci-fi TV series that is only watchable because of the nutty professor.
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You forgot his tiny lesbian assistant, Asterisk.
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Collapsing Farts posted:Fringe is a mediocre sci-fi TV series that is only watchable because of the nutty professor. I will fight you over this
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Legazov didn't get any superpowers? why?
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Does anyone know what accent Emily Watson is doing in the show? It's like the one thing that kept pulling me out, because I couldn't place it and I know it's not her natural accent.
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She's not playing a real person so who knows. I thought I was going to be in the background of a Fringe episode but they put a couple extras in front of my desk when they filmed at my work to cover me from the camera, lol
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hobbesmaster posted:You might've seen pictures of the new containment structure which goes over the entire structure at a distance. The original sarcophagus was done as quickly as possible and structurally relies on existing power plant buildings. Take a look at the clearance here: One of the tossed around ideas to cover it up was to use explosives to blast dirt over it. The idea was tossed out when the math showed the radiation spike and the possibility of the explosions damaging what was left
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Kraftwerk posted:The answer likely lies in the complexity and morality associated with Euthanasia laws. This and they get some FOR SCIENCE test subjects to document hobbesmaster posted:Isn't it hard to know how much radiation you actually received until a full investigation is done? I mean, unless you happened to be wearing a very high range dosimeter. Nah, the operators that were hospitalized with a fatal dose, prior to degrading into meat piles, spent some time together calculating the dose they received, and a few of them were pretty spot on. They knew they were dead. Holy gently caress. I got my copy for five bucks 6 years ago. Too bad it's all raggy from being read so much SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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Where on this diagram is the elephants foot? I would think it would be bottom most red part, but in that case it looks like there'd be two or three, each on a different level.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Where on this diagram is the elephants foot? I would think it would be bottom most red part, but in that case it looks like there'd be two or three, each on a different level. The large red heap beneath the reactor is the primary part of the molten fuel that has melted through the bottom of the reactor chamber. I believe the smaller amounts underneath the main heap are in the water tanks they drained, but the elephant's foot is the main goop at the top. Interestingly enough the elephant's foot isn't as dangerous anymore, and the radioactivity has dropped low enough for someone to visit it multiple times and basically take a selfie with the thing. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-famous-photo-of-chernobyls-most-dangerous-radioactive-material-was-a-selfie
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Gentlemen please, there is no need to fight! We are surely all women of STEM in here
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