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This is gonna be another supreme court case, isn't it.
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psydude posted:This is gonna be another supreme court case, isn't it. Not if he's acquitted.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:04
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He should lose his job, not his freedom. It’s silly to hold people to the standard of “run headfirst into gunfire” when they haven’t been there before. Even if it is his job, it’s not exactly something you can train for. Anyone who is cool with it BeCaUsE iTs HiS Job AnD lESS kIdS wOUlD bE dEad are just remixing the “good guy with gun vs bad guy with gun” talking point. colachute fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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Jun 5, 2019 19:15
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joat mon posted:Castle Rock v. Gonzales does not apply to criminal prosecutions. Thanks for this post and for educating me on this; I appreciate it.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:20
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colachute posted:He should lose his job, not his freedom. It’s silly to hold people to the standard of “run headfirst into gunfire” when they haven’t been there before. Even if it is his job, it’s not exactly something you can train for. While I have serious doubts about this particular case/precedent, I find it amusing to see a post in the Internet VFW about how it’s not possible to train for combat and no one cam be expected to approach gunfire.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:21
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mlmp08 posted:While I have serious doubts about this particular case/precedent, I find it amusing to see a post in the Internet VFW about how it’s not possible to train for combat and no one cam be expected to approach gunfire. I didn’t say that. I trained to get shot at. It’s not the same as actually getting shot at. You can’t train for it. You can drill the whole muscle memory all you want, but you don’t know how you’re going to react until you actually have to react.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:23
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colachute posted:He should lose his job, not his freedom. It’s silly to hold people to the standard of “run headfirst into gunfire” when they haven’t been there before. Even if it is his job, it’s not exactly something you can train for. What’s the point of him having a weapon then?
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Jun 5, 2019 19:24
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It was literally his only job he had, was to catch a bulllet instead of a kid if need be. And if you want to argue that, whatever, fair enough. But then he stayed back and told newly arriving units to also stay back, so he can burn in hell as far as I'm concerned.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:24
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Im his situation I'd be fine with letting the shame of being that, "I only had X days to retirement" guy serve punishment. Everyone in his town knows he bitched out on a massive level. He's never going to live that down with his neighbors. If he leaves, chances are good someone will find out where to, and could always forward the shame chain notification to his new neighbors. Shame is a wonderful punishment, but only as effective as it is enforced. Don't waste tax dollars letting him contemplate hanging himself with his underwear, let him eat that bullet at home.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:25
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I know what his job was. And I wish he had done it better. Do I think he deserves 97 years because he didn’t run blind into gunfire? No, I don’t. Do I think he should ever be allowed to do a job like this again? No, I don’t. It’s possible to think the guy is a massive piece of poo poo gently caress up and still think he doesn’t deserve the possible punishment being handed out. It doesn’t have to be an either/or.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:25
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The case does seem odd. I don’t know how FL defines child neglect. The lesser charge of perjury seems more cut and dry if they have solid evidence that he lied to investigators. I assume perjury isn’t as serious as child neglect.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:29
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Yeah, the criminal prosecution part (for not running in) is kind of hosed especially since cops are civilians. This should be a civil manner where he loses his job (if he hadn't already quit).
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Jun 5, 2019 19:30
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holocaust bloopers posted:What’s the point of him having a weapon then? The point of having cops in schools to begin with: harassing black people and making white parents feel better
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Jun 5, 2019 19:30
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It just seems like a bandaid. And holding the wrong person accountable (in a very general sense). “You are responsible for stopping this shooting that lawmakers don’t give a poo poo about stopping. Thanks for picking up our slack.” E: I’m arguing a different point right now. School shootings really get me angry because everyone seems to point a finger somewhere that won’t fix anything long term. Which is a topic different than what we are talking about. It depresses the gently caress out of me that one of the reasons I don’t want kids is because I don’t want to risk them getting shot at school. colachute fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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Jun 5, 2019 19:30
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I’m less concerned about my hypothetical future kids getting shot at school than I am about them coming of age right as the disruptions from climate change become woefully apparent and irreversible. Dear ol’ dad will get to shuffle off this mortal coil and leave his progeny playing the game of “how will I get to eat tonight”.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:38
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I’m less concerned about my hypothetical future kids getting shot at school than I am about them coming of age right as the disruptions from climate change become woefully apparent and irreversible. Dear ol’ dad will get to shuffle off this mortal coil and leave his progeny playing the game of “how will I get to eat tonight”. Climate change wiping out humanity is another big factor in me never having kids. Also the rise of fascism.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:43
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gently caress the idea that the only thing that ever matters is a cop getting home safe. Execute his coward rear end. Nobody forced him to become a cop. If they’re going to stroke themselves raw about how brave they are 24/7 then there ought to be extreme consequences for them not living up to it. my kinda ape fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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Jun 5, 2019 19:45
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He knew what Active Shooter Response doctrine was. It's the same thing I was told- "You ain't gotta be brave, you just gotta do it." I can't give him a pass. This isn't pre-Columbine. This isn't new. He knew his obligation. He didn't freeze in the moment, he made a series of decisions and purposely stayed away. I hope this goes to SCOTUS, and they decide that police have a legal obligation to protect, because that is a part of their end of the social contract. He also shouldn't be the only one charged- the entire reaponse was hosed up, and the post incident investigations showed that beyond him, there was also a cascading series of failures in response. Personally, I would have killed myself by now were I in his place. I really couldn't live with myself knowing that I didn't do everything I could to help save those kids.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:56
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my kinda ape posted:gently caress the idea that the only thing that ever matters is a cop getting home safe. Execute his coward rear end. Nobody forced him to become a cop. This.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:58
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bulletsponge13 posted:He knew what Active Shooter Response doctrine was. It's the same thing I was told- "You ain't gotta be brave, you just gotta do it." I can't give him a pass. This isn't pre-Columbine. This isn't new. He knew his obligation. He didn't freeze in the moment, he made a series of decisions and purposely stayed away. I hope this goes to SCOTUS, and they decide that police have a legal obligation to protect, because that is a part of their end of the social contract. He also shouldn't be the only one charged- the entire reaponse was hosed up, and the post incident investigations showed that beyond him, there was also a cascading series of failures in response. You say that, but what if you were a cop and didn't actually care about the lives or safety of anyone but yourself? "To protect and serve" doesn't say who exactly that applies to, and it seems that every police officer has decided that it only means themselves.
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Jun 5, 2019 20:04
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bulletsponge13 posted:He didn't freeze in the moment, he made a series of decisions and purposely stayed away. I hope this goes to SCOTUS, and they decide that police have a legal obligation to protect, because that is a part of their end of the social contract. In a 5-4 decision in a move hailed as perfect by most conservatives, the supreme court ruled that no, in fact cops have no obligation to protect anyone, and that the general populace should shine their boots with their tongues if asked.
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Jun 5, 2019 20:06
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It's cheesy but the only time to be brave is when you're afraid. You can't be brave if the thing doesn't scare you; other things have to override your decision making process. I think the guy has failed enough and we as a society gain nothing from locking this man away. He shouldn't be allowed to cop, but drat man, loving sucks for him. I don't want to have police be given more precedence to rush into situations. This will be abused instantly if it sets a legal precedent.
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Jun 5, 2019 20:10
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Wasabi the J posted:It's cheesy but the only time to be brave is when you're afraid. You can't be brave if the thing doesn't scare you; other things have to override your decision making process. If we can apply the precedent to cops having to take the risk of waiting to be absolutely sure they are in danger before being allowed to shoot people, that seems worthwhile.
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Jun 5, 2019 20:13
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Defenestrategy posted:In a 5-4 decision in a move hailed as perfect by most conservatives, the supreme court ruled that no, in fact cops have no obligation to protect anyone, and that the general populace should shine their boots with their tongues if asked. It's supposed to be a joke I think but I can absolutely see this on the headlines of fox news or something
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Jun 5, 2019 20:14
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He refused to try and stop that brave American gun owner from practicing his right to bear arms. Obviously he's a hero.
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Jun 5, 2019 20:15
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I think he’s facing 97 years for being a cop that didn’t actually kill anybody. (I joke but I do think there’s a small hint or irony that a cop is facing 97 years for not shooting anybody)
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Jun 5, 2019 20:47
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my kinda ape posted:gently caress the idea that the only thing that ever matters is a cop getting home safe. Execute his coward rear end. Nobody forced him to become a cop. Yeah this. In exchange for never have to hear about SHEEPDOGS and THIN BLUE LINE again, this dude can walk but since I don’t see that happening, lock him up. At least we finally found a situation where “I feared for my life” magic words won’t keep a cop out of trouble. Hegel Exercises fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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Jun 5, 2019 20:52
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Wasabi the J posted:It's cheesy but the only time to be brave is when you're afraid. You can't be brave if the thing doesn't scare you; other things have to override your decision making process. Very well said and I agree wholeheartedly.
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Jun 5, 2019 21:01
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Can’t wait for cops to be pushed even further to the shoot-first camp because a guy gets 100 years for not shooting at all. I think people are being a little myopic about this and are only focused on the dude who probably won’t do the same thing again and is probably haunted with guilt every day. Losing his job and pension would be enough for me.
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Jun 5, 2019 21:03
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DoktorLoken posted:Yeah, the criminal prosecution part (for not running in) is kind of hosed especially since cops are civilians. This should be a civil manner where he loses his job (if he hadn't already quit). And his  $8700 a month pension.
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Jun 5, 2019 21:03
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https://twitter.com/pollreport/status/1136329139856654337?s=21
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Jun 5, 2019 21:05
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joat mon posted:And his I've changed my mind cops are good and I'm going to become one now
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Jun 5, 2019 21:05
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joat mon posted:And his That’s more than 100k a year holy loving poo poo I need to be a cop in Florida.
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Jun 5, 2019 21:09
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https://twitter.com/RPG_volley/status/1136364379409211392?s=19
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Jun 5, 2019 21:14
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Trump getting out of Vietnam was unintentionally the only good thing he's done
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Jun 5, 2019 21:17
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Trump getting out of Vietnam was unintentionally the only good thing he's done Pro: He would have been fragged running the snack bar.
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Jun 5, 2019 21:20
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He’s facing 97 years because he has a charge for each child he failed. He has two neglect charges. The first is: “A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects a child and in doing so causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to a child commits a felony of the second degree.” The second is the same except “without causing great bodily harm...” and is a third degree felony Neglect of a child means: 1: caregivers failure or omission to provide a child with care, supervision, and services . . . essential to the well-being of the child. 2: a caregiver’s failure to make a reasonable effort to protect a child from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person. The next charge is “culpable negligence” “whoever, through culpable negligence, exposes another person to personal injury commits a second degree misdemeanor” His perjury charge stems from his official statement under oath to police during the investigation where he lied about not hearing gunfire. His defense is going to hinge entirely on whether he is determined to be a “caregiver.” The statute defines caregiver as “parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for a child’s welfare” The warrant lays it out pretty well. Assuming the state’s presentation is true, there are grounds to prosecute him under all counts. I don’t believe they’ll sentence them concurrently so the 97 years is just a scare number more than anything.
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Jun 5, 2019 21:29
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colachute posted:Can’t wait for cops to be pushed even further to the shoot-first camp because a guy gets 100 years for not shooting at all. When did cops need an excuse to shoot first?
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Jun 5, 2019 21:30
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colachute posted:Climate change wiping out humanity is another big factor in me never having kids. Also the rise of fascism.  no future buddyI was in middle school when columbine happened, it pretty quickly became apparent that nobody was ever gonna give a gently caress in a way that made a difference and I quickly filed mass casualty violence in the same mental box as tornadoes
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Nah gently caress him. He doesn't get to ride both sides of the issue. Cadet Bonespurs wasn't a fan of *himself* going to Vietnam. He's totally OK with sending other people in to Iran or what the gently caress ever gets his choad-slurping base fired up.
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