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phasmid posted:So accurate it was probably written by a fan. *Grim smile* *Face not betraying inner struggle" *Deep sigh* *Turns back to you* "So... we've come to this."
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muscles like this! posted:Asimov actually came up with a reason for this by implying that an organization altered the past for his "main" universe (Robot/Foundation) where they somehow made it so that humanity was the only intelligent life in the Milky Way. I thought it was that robots committed a shitton of genocides while terraforming planets for humanity. But could go either way. I think similarly to Dune and other sci-fi authors, Asimov just wasn't interested in having aliens in his stories. (Until he was) Gundam comes to mind as a space series that also generally avoids having aliens. (again, aside from that one time)
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I thought it was that robots committed a shitton of genocides while terraforming planets for humanity. But could go either way. I think similarly to Dune and other sci-fi authors, Asimov just wasn't interested in having aliens in his stories. (Until he was) Gundam comes to mind as a space series that also generally avoids having aliens. (again, aside from that one time) Gundam's area of space is fairly well contained. I don't think we ever get beyond our solar system in any of them, unlike in let's say Macross.
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Temaukel posted:*Tries to swallow in a dry throat* Handmaid's Tale wasn't as good in the second season, I thought.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Handmaid's Tale wasn't as good in the second season, I thought. Treachery?
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Testikles posted:Gundam's area of space is fairly well contained. I don't think we ever get beyond our solar system in any of them, unlike in let's say Macross. Indeed, though that's also a design choice. Gundam's probably among the hardest mainstream sci-fi anime in that the giant robots are treated as military vehicles created by a military-industrial complex, and war in general is portrayed pretty accurately as basically the power games and petty grudges of the complete assholes who run everything. Not surprising that aliens are usually omitted since they're a bit harder to portray with that sensibility. (Not that it stops some from trying, with mixed results) And the one Gundam series that HAS aliens played up how alien and out of the blue they were. Star Trek can be mixed on that front; the different species are usually treated basically as different nationalities, and the ships are often plot devices but their physical nature does come up in stuff like the Defiant. I think the Maquis were an attempt to portray intraspecies conflict (specifically, human vs human) that didn't really work out as well as planned.
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Defiance Industries posted:"No goddamn Klingon Empires" is one of the core tenets of Battletech Battletech totally has
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Indeed, though that's also a design choice. Legend of the Galactic Heroes also has zero aliens and its area is a lot larger and includes interstellar travel.
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Testikles posted:Legend of the Galactic Heroes also has zero aliens and its area is a lot larger and includes interstellar travel. Red Dwarf has an even bigger scale in area and time and also makes a point that there's zero aliens, though a lot of freaky stuff that's descended from human creations. A setting where humans are the precursors.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Red Dwarf has an even bigger scale in area and time and also makes a point that there's zero aliens, though a lot of freaky stuff that's descended from human creations. A setting where humans are the precursors. Lensman does have aliens, but all of the species are descended from the same common origin - I don't recall either of Stapledons books having aliens. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jun 5, 2019 |
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10 Billion Days and 100 Billion Nights takes place over the entire history of the universe
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skasion posted:10 Billion Days and 100 Billion Nights takes place over the entire history of the universe
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rndmnmbr posted:Battletech totally has Yeah but they're humans. I never said the Clans were original.
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skasion posted:10 Billion Days and 100 Billion Nights takes place over the entire history of the universe Stephen Baxter's Ring has an alien race who send themselves back to the beginning of the universe so they have enough time to build the ring before the end of the universe.
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phasmid posted:Yeah, that too. You'd think a galactic monopoly would do a better job of protecting it's interests. Instead they sent Rabban. Doon is hilarious and on point the whole way through, it's worth tracking down a copy if you can.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Stephen Baxter's Ring has an alien race who send themselves back to the beginning of the universe so they have enough time to build the ring before the end of the universe. I dig his Xeelee books like that one, they’re pretty wild. His other stuff not so much.
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I liked Raft, kind of, but not anything else by him. This thread got me to reread Heretics and I have to say I don’t think it’s that bad. It’s sure weird but he was obviously trying to top God Emperor, which is a pretty good moon shot to even attempt. I like the result even if it strays into written with one hand territory at times. It starts slow but once the action begins, it’s a proper space opera story, much less dry (haha) than some other books in the series and spends probably more time than all the other books put together on what life is like in its universe and how average people feel about all these hosed up wizards and megalomaniac religious orders constantly backstabbing each other all across the galaxy. It’s cool and really feels like Herbert was trying to get back to the more militaristic story of the first book as opposed to the palace politics that had been the theme of the 2nd-4th, but with more Duncan Idaho who is now also louder, angrier, and has access to a time machine. On to Chapterhouse, which I recall as being much more boring and having a really tiresome subplot about stereotype Jews.
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skasion posted:On to Chapterhouse, which I recall as being much more boring and having a really tiresome subplot about stereotype Jews. You're forgetting the clam chowder
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drunkill posted:https://twitter.com/SecretsOfDune/status/1136434514987802624?s=19 Works for me. A lovely Feyd.
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Very pleased that the Harks aren't being cast as Irish gingers any more, it never matched how I envisioned them at all.
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Also holy poo poo are they going to capture every loving demographic with this cast? 
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Very pleased that the Harks aren't being cast as Irish gingers any more, it never matched how I envisioned them at all. I had this chat with a friend tonight, he insisted all of the Harkonnens were gingers in the books too but I recently re-read the first book and seem to remember Feyd being described as having long, straight dark hair - but I'm not sure that there wasn't something in there about the Baron having red hair. Is the ginger stuff solely a creation the the Lynch adaptation or is there anything in the books that leads to that conclusion?
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Baron had a beautiful walnut mane in his youth but Gaius Helen Mohiam labia spells turned his dome into something akin to an upside down ballsack with a few stray curly pubes. This is canon
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It's the Emperor who has red hair, isn't it...? (And the Atreides who have some eye-searingly ghastly banner like a red hawk on green and black or something.)Anne Frank Funk posted:Baron had a beautiful walnut mane in his youth but Gaius Helen Mohiam labia spells turned his dome into something akin to an upside down ballsack with a few stray curly pubes. Friend, I think you must be getting someone's fanfic confused with the renowned Dune series, which consists of only six books.
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Tree Bucket posted:It's the Emperor who has red hair, isn't it...? (And the Atreides who have some eye-searingly ghastly banner like a red hawk on green and black or something.) that banner owns
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:that banner owns That banner's a greater atrocity than anything the Harkonnens ever did
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I'm only setting myself up for disappointment, but I hope we are shown the Paul/Jamis fight interspersed with the Feyd/Gladiator fight. Couldn't be a better way to contrast the characters immediately, who won't meet for years per the book timeline.
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I always figured the Baron was bald tbh. His baby-likeness is stressed repeatedly. Ginger Harkonnens came from Lynch, Feyd is introduced as dark haired.
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Lovely Feyd from the illustrated Folio Society edition
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:codpieces are in this summer There was me, that is Feyd, and my three droogs, that is Vlad, Piter, and Fenrig, and we sat in the Harko Milkbar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening.
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Warframe is obviously way more recent than all those other science fiction universes, but I really like its scope. It's set some extremely long time in the future where the solar system is extensively colonized, Earth's biosphere has collapsed and bounced back with genetically engineered lifeforms, and the decadent space empire which collapsed ~1000 years lived in opulent bio-organic golden towers, genetically altered their bodies at a whim and did Get Out-style brain transplants when they needed a new bodies, and put gold rings around the loving moon. And despite that, everything was confined to the Solar System, and all their "AIs" were just made by uploading peoples' minds into computers. So in addition to the planets, there's stuff build up in and around most of the moons and planetoids in the Sol system, like Ceres or Sedna etc. Leaving the Origin System, and reaching Tau Ceti was going to be an intense and ambitious undertaking, and to do it they made modular, adapting intelligent robots. But the thing is, actual artificial intelligence is treated as being extremely weird, and scary and dangerous, because they're not human and never have been human and their minds would not be anything like a humans. And then those robots, the Sentients, came back and destroyed their empire and remain a thorn in our balls to the game's resent day.
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skasion posted:I always figured the Baron was bald tbh. His baby-likeness is stressed repeatedly. Ginger Harkonnens came from Lynch, Feyd is introduced as dark haired. The books describe the Baron as having "red-gold" hair when he was younger, and possibly bald by the time the events in DUNE occur. Also, Jessica has auburn hair, which would be consistent with her Harkonnen heritage.
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Her hair is never described as auburn, it's literally always described as 'bronze' or 'polished bronze' or 'shaded bronze'
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Temaukel posted:The emperor looks like a younger @DuneAuthor Yeah this always cracks me up, how did Frank know?!?
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drunkill posted:https://twitter.com/SecretsOfDune/status/1136434514987802624?s=19 lmao at this piece of evidence tho https://twitter.com/SecretsOfDune/status/1136646031788204033
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