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Phobophilia posted:Elreon Jewelry can effectively make Cyclone completely free to use. 1) I'm working on flicker 2) xD
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Jun 6, 2019 15:01
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TheRat posted:First draft for starforge cyclone gladiator. Very very much still work in progress. Excellent job on this. It looks great. I was gonna use Disfavour and Bronn's Lithe. 6.3k life instead of your magnificent 8, but I'm showing roughly 2.4m dps with 160ms vs your 175ms. So slower and squishier, but more damage. Everything else I'm taking directly from you. Thank you for your math on that jewel. ButtWolf fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Jun 6, 2019 15:04
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Phobophilia posted:Elreon Jewelry can effectively make Cyclone completely free to use. Yup, my 6link setup wil cost 10 mana per swing, so you can make it effectively free with one craft of -8 or -9 (expensive) or entirely free for two crafts of -5 (cheap but needs two rings with open prefix). You might even get away with a single craft of -7 for 3 chaos.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:04
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Aren't physical modifiers applied to fully converted elemental damage anyways? People fully converted damage because that way they could scale harder, by making phys damage modifiers in the passive and skill gem more prevalent you are just making it so that you dont have to fully convert to get more damage out of your build. But its not inherently nerfing conversions since they scale of physical anyways. Yes, this is my question - how is pure phys being buffed more than ele conversion? Is it just because of the impale buffs and blood/sand stances (which I haven't fully read up on)? It would seem to me that any buff to physical damage is just more damage for the conversion?
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Jun 6, 2019 15:06
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Aren't physical modifiers applied to fully converted elemental damage anyways? People fully converted damage because that way they could scale harder, by making phys damage modifiers in the passive and skill gem more prevalent you are just making it so that you dont have to fully convert to get more damage out of your build. But its not inherently nerfing conversions since they scale of physical anyways. There's a whole load of "enemies take increased physical damage" floating around this league (eg impale, pride). That doesn't do anything for you if you convert away from phys.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:06
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ButtWolf posted:Excellent job on this. It looks great. I was gonna use Disfavour and Bronn's Lithe. 6.3k life instead of your magnificent 8, but I'm showing roughly 2.8m dps with 160ms vs your 175ms. So slower and squishier, but more damage. Everything else I'm taking directly from you. Thank you for your math on that jewel. Keep in mind I've gone very conservative on the checkboxes and gear I've used here. If I want to PoB warrior it I can say that I'm using warchief totem, I've got a silver flask active, I've got vuln on hit gloves and I'm fighting a mapboss that starforge can fully shock (you'll only get like 5-10% shocks on bosses like shaper and elder). Those four things take me to 2.7mil dps.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:07
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Just had an entire league pushing elemental conversion.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:08
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Starforge can't get that expensive right? Maybe I'll be able to afford a poo poo rolled one
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Jun 6, 2019 15:12
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Cynic Jester posted:Just do Voidforge Cyclone Elementalist Yeah that's what I'm looking at right now, but I'm also terrible at this game so I need some mechanic that allows me to survive big boss hits I didn't dodge. Having >10k ES on the cheap and wicked ward was amazing but that's both basically gone now. Going hybrid ES/life should be able to scrap up some 15k ehp thanks to all the life+ES combo nodes near witch. Question is, can I path down to vaal pact cheaply enough to make it refill at a decent pace 
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Jun 6, 2019 15:12
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Starforge has a fairly high droprate. It's not the rare shaper drop, Solstice Vigil is. If all else fails just farm it yourself.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:12
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euphronius posted:Just had an entire league pushing elemental conversion. And next league might give bows a support gem with the headhunter effect and give bosses 40% physical resistance to match elemental. I don't like that.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:15
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TheRat posted:Keep in mind I've gone very conservative on the checkboxes and gear I've used here. If I want to PoB warrior it I can say that I'm using warchief totem, I've got a silver flask active, I've got vuln on hit gloves and I'm fighting a mapboss that starforge can fully shock (you'll only get like 5-10% shocks on bosses like shaper and elder). Those four things take me to 2.7mil dps. Yeah, I checked those on yours and added some little stuff to gear like attack speed and stuff. I'm not trying to say mine is better or anything like that, I was just saying i'm gonna try a different version and do you think it will work?
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Jun 6, 2019 15:17
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Yeah, it'll work just fine.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:17
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I'm tempted to start with all the new skills but the last time I did that was Tecslam Jugg in beast and it was horrible Had a really good name though, something like ItsAnUglyMetaAJuggMeta
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Jun 6, 2019 15:21
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TheRat posted:Yeah, it'll work just fine. Just looking for some less expensive type stuff, mostly worried bout the sword, but you may be right that it wont get out of hand. Ill probably just play yours anyway, since .5 to 1m dps isnt worth 2k life and 15% ms.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:22
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Sword shouldnt be too expensive, but you can use a kondo's pride or a crafted sword too. Starforge isn't build enabling in any way.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:23
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Qwertycoatl posted:There's a whole load of "enemies take increased physical damage" floating around this league (eg impale, pride). That doesn't do anything for you if you convert away from phys. Well pride is a different flavor of the other sin auras and its about time phys got one since Anger, Wrath, Hatred, Malevolence and Zealotry mostly dealt pure elemental damage, chaos or converted phys anyways.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:27
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Finding a good weapon to use on cyclone zerker will be a real challenge
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Jun 6, 2019 15:28
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Well pride is a different flavor of the other sin auras and its about time phys got one since Anger, Wrath, Hatred, Malevolence and Zealotry mostly dealt pure elemental damage, chaos or converted phys anyways. I feel like my third eye has just opened after reading all these aura names in a row, I never realized
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Jun 6, 2019 15:28
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AggressivelyStupid posted:I feel like my third eye has just opened after reading all these aura names in a row, I never realized We don't talk about the Lust aura edit: Avarice would be a cool MF aura though
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Jun 6, 2019 15:30
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I like that you can Impale with any weapon now. Impale Claw Bladeflurry. Impale 2H Sword Cyclone. Impale Doriyanis Catalyst Earthquake.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:37
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God pride is one hell of a gem huh. Also is there any particular reason why you are going with Glad cyclone instead of Slayer Rat?
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Jun 6, 2019 15:38
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What happens if you stack Ruthless and Multistrike on Earthquake? Do you have to click 'attack' 3 times to get the ruthless buff or can you multistrike once and get a 9.7-richter earthquake aftershock?
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Jun 6, 2019 15:42
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Earthquake is 70% more aftershock damage, ruthless is 132% more, multistrike (2nd repeat, 3rd hit) is 99% more, pulverize is 45% more ....do those all multiple together!?
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Jun 6, 2019 15:47
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TheRat posted:First draft for starforge cyclone gladiator. Very very much still work in progress. You should consider going Bloodletting if you can. Not only is it 40% increased attack damage against bleeding enemies but it 5% reduced damage taken against bleeding enemies for basically free since you are Glad. Can even bump up your bleed chance to 100% if you want by going the left nodes but thats obviously not that big of a deal. Can also consider doing a leap slam curse on hit vuln setup for even bigger deeps.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:48
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Doomsower is also an excellent starter sword if you're aiming for Starforge, even if you can't take advantage of the 10% Phys as fire with Brutality
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Jun 6, 2019 15:50
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Man I need the new gem info in POB to math out all this poo poo and figure out how much damage I need to get on tree. Going without the numbers for new support gems, Flesh&Stone+Maim and Precision/Pride makes things a pain. Still no idea what skill to use either!
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Jun 6, 2019 15:50
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I, for one, am just gonna, like, wing it. fuk pob
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Jun 6, 2019 15:51
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Go SSF and play what drops.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:52
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Insurrectionist posted:Man I need the new gem info in POB to math out all this poo poo and figure out how much damage I need to get on tree. Going without the numbers for new support gems, Flesh&Stone+Maim and Precision/Pride makes things a pain. Just copy my "New Stuff" jewel on the pob I linked a few pages back. It has all the math done for a few of the new gems + auras + base impale with dread banner and one cluster (not the gem though!!)
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Jun 6, 2019 15:57
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Jinnigan posted:Earthquake is 70% more aftershock damage, ruthless is 132% more, multistrike (2nd repeat, 3rd hit) is 99% more, pulverize is 45% more Yes. I would expect ruthless to work with multistrike like crits do with it only activating on the third multistrike use but with each of the three hits getting the multiplier.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:57
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TheRat posted:Just copy my "New Stuff" jewel on the pob I linked a few pages back. It has all the math done for a few of the new gems + auras + base impale with dread banner and one cluster (not the gem though!!) I'll try it for sure, thanks for the tip. How are people feeling about Blitz vs AoC for 2-handed Berserker builds atm? Looking at my PoB mockup, AoC is as expected giving exactly 40% more damage, while Savagery is 21% and Blitz is only 19%. Plus AoC doesn't need to stack up. The 10% increased Phys taken does hurt, but I feel like there's so much more mitigation running around now than before 3.7 as well. My current build has 4 End charges, Fortify support included, Blind etc which seems pretty good not even counting the slight benefits Armor gives. Especially since physical damage doesn't feel like the most dangerous type nowadays. But then AGAIN again, 40% more attackspeed is also a lot of QoL and movespeed which can't be underestimated.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:10
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Dash is a spell, does that mean I can put it on CwDT to automatically jump away from things that hit me?
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Jun 6, 2019 16:40
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Zero VGS posted:Dash is a spell, does that mean I can put it on CwDT to automatically jump away from things that hit me? It'll jump you towards things that hit you
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Jun 6, 2019 16:45
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if you check the whatsitcalled box it should dash you away e: cast in place?
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Jun 6, 2019 16:50
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TheRat posted:Just copy my "New Stuff" jewel on the pob I linked a few pages back. It has all the math done for a few of the new gems + auras + base impale with dread banner and one cluster (not the gem though!!) Ooh that's handy Just a quick question (sorry about repeating it), why did u opt for gladiator cyclone than slayer cyclone? And can I just keep the skill points the and just change the ascendency and have it work
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Jun 6, 2019 16:51
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Insurrectionist posted:I'll try it for sure, thanks for the tip. I'm ignoring AoC. This league in general is probably going to hurt more, so there's no reason to take even more damage. I also don't think zerker is going to hurt for damage.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:52
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MMF Freeway posted:Yes. I would expect ruthless to work with multistrike like crits do with it only activating on the third multistrike use but with each of the three hits getting the multiplier. That's how it works right now. If it works like that in 3.7 you could cancel after the first attack 2 times and start a third multistrike with the whole bonus. They made ruthless unable to with blade flurry and cyclone for similar reasons. It's possible they have balanced it by making you need to finish a whole multistrike sequence for it to count as an attack for ruthless.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:53
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Insurrectionist posted:I'll try it for sure, thanks for the tip. AoC is 10% increased damage taken, not just physical. In the end AoC will always out-damage Blitz, so do you value a bunch of EHP and attack speed over pure Dps?
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Jun 6, 2019 16:53
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Blitz scales really well with all the flat phys we're getting though
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Jun 6, 2019 16:56
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