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Syenite posted:So... in light of that crackdown, anybody have any recs for good web novels with LGBT themes? (I, personally, prefer sci-fi/fantasy stuff over drama/historical types.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Dao_Zu_Shi is a yaoi webnovel that got made into a very popular anime, from what I've heard.
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Megazver posted:I just hope this doesn't affect Cultivation Chat Group.
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Jackard posted:Not looking good https://forum.novelupdates.com/posts/4952826/ Well, the actual guidelines I posted specifically don't mention fighting as one of the forbidden topics and say that light-hearted xianxia without too much gore is one of the encouraged ones. I'd be more concerned about the few jokes about the government that the author made. Megazver fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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Syenite posted:So... in light of that crackdown, anybody have any recs for good web novels with LGBT themes? (I, personally, prefer sci-fi/fantasy stuff over drama/historical types.) If you're OK with Bleach fanfic (and let's be honest here, this is the webnovel thread, it's not a place to get fussy about high art), Now You Feel Like Number None is a remarkably well-done web serial with light audience-participation elements, and has multiple endearing gay romances involving both women and men.
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Darth Walrus posted:If you're OK with Bleach fanfic (and let's be honest here, this is the webnovel thread, it's not a place to get fussy about high art) actually the line has been drawn at bleach fanfic multiple times in this forum we do not cross that line
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Why would the Chinese government care about this poo poo? I understand they are cracking down now due to a certain anniversary, but webnovels seem like they should be pretty far down the priority list.
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Konstantin posted:Why would the Chinese government care about this poo poo? I understand they are cracking down now due to a certain anniversary, but webnovels seem like they should be pretty far down the priority list. AFAIK it's decently popular amongst a decently wide range of people? It's light reading and easy to pick up and put down, whether you're in school or at work. It's the sort of thing that's surely somewhat popular amongst the youth but also has appeal with older people because it's a format and not a genre. And it's on the internet and free. There's far, far less barriers to entry than traditional publishing.
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LLSix posted:Forge of Destiny one of the main side-characters is lesbian. Very understated in the first half because the MC doesn't realize it. Probably my favorite web novel. The version on Royal Road is an edited version, but the original story is still running on Sufficient Velocity forums. Unrelated to the topic you were talking about, but I've been catching up with Threads of Destiny, and one thing I'm continually amazed about is how incredibly cool and unique the imagery is for all the techniques the characters use. Even complete randos have extremely badass skills. A good example is that upperclassman sword guy Ling Qi dueled with fairly recently, who seemingly had the ability to cut through techniques. I feel like the author has got to run out of ideas at some point.
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Ytlaya posted:Unrelated to the topic you were talking about, but I've been catching up with Threads of Destiny, and one thing I'm continually amazed about is how incredibly cool and unique the imagery is for all the techniques the characters use. Even complete randos have extremely badass skills. A good example is that upperclassman sword guy Ling Qi dueled with fairly recently, who seemingly had the ability to cut through techniques. I feel like the author has got to run out of ideas at some point. It really is impressive.
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Man, if it's crazy imagery you want, just wait until you reach the most recent updates. Cai Renxiang and Ling Qi working together to kill a Green 5 dude, right after Ling Qi killed off most of the fighting force of around 70 dudes. For all that people still occasionally complain about working with Cai, the two of them fighting together is visually very thematic with the whole bright light casting a shadow thing. non-spoiler version: man, Cai Renxiang and Ling Qi fighting together is cool as gently caress
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I've just been reading stuff people feed into Talktotransformer and reading the content that comes out. It's very webnovel in quality.quote:"how should I know you're not an idiot?" mae has these big, wild green hands. you find it creepy. maybe the turd on the statue had been a prank. "the statue looks like the kind of one someone might be interested in trying if they didn't know where it came from" says mae, "they'll figure it out." It even throws in the translation brackets sometimes. quote:I'm not gonna buy that that guy actually used machine learning for that unless 」 (Alice)
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Argas posted:AFAIK it's decently popular amongst a decently wide range of people? It's light reading and easy to pick up and put down, whether you're in school or at work. It's the sort of thing that's surely somewhat popular amongst the youth but also has appeal with older people because it's a format and not a genre. And it's on the internet and free. There's far, far less barriers to entry than traditional publishing. Webnovels in China are far, far more popular than they are in the West.
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Cynic Jester posted:Webnovels in China are far, far more popular than they are in the West. Yeah. Also, they're also doing this to movies and videogames.
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Konstantin posted:Why would the Chinese government care about this poo poo? I understand they are cracking down now due to a certain anniversary, but webnovels seem like they should be pretty far down the priority list. china always has time for getting mad about gays, friend
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Yinlock posted:china always has time for getting mad about gays, friend Also, they're an authoritarian state who understand how art is used to shape culture.
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Government censorship is such a strange thing, as someone from the states, it's real hard to wrap my head around it. I wonder if the Chinese stuff I follow is all going to disappear now? "Violence" seems like such an all-encompassing topic that I can't image what censoring it would look like if not just scrubbing like 90% of webnovels on the market out of existence.
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sunken fleet posted:Government censorship is such a strange thing, as someone from the states, it's real hard to wrap my head around it. I wonder if the Chinese stuff I follow is all going to disappear now? "Violence" seems like such an all-encompassing topic that I can't image what censoring it would look like if not just scrubbing like 90% of webnovels on the market out of existence. i know, its strange to see the government doing it instead of sinclair broadcast group and newscorp not even letting billionaires profit off your propaganda policies, shameful
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It's interesting to see government criticism being tiptoed around. Like in CCG Shuhang mentions that his parents really wanted to have a daughter too, and if only the cool and good two child policy had started sooner
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sunken fleet posted:Government censorship is such a strange thing, as someone from the states, it's real hard to wrap my head around it. I wonder if the Chinese stuff I follow is all going to disappear now? "Violence" seems like such an all-encompassing topic that I can't image what censoring it would look like if not just scrubbing like 90% of webnovels on the market out of existence. the usa also censors the hell out of inconvenient things, they just do so via media blackouts
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Yinlock posted:the usa also censors the hell out of inconvenient things, they just do so via media blackouts lol please give me one example of a time when the US government moved against webfiction
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There's quite a lot of censorship done in the US via soft coercion rather than through explicit bans. The most well-known example is probably the US military letting filmmakers use military equipment in exchange for the military being able to vet the script to remove anything that makes the military look bad. It's an intentional way to shape the film industry to make flashy, exciting, pro-military films very easy to make, and to make realistic, critical or anti-war films harder and more expensive to make. The American Library Association also keeps track of the proud American tradition of schools, libraries, and concerned members of the public getting (or attempting to get) books banned or removed from school reading lists. This is normally for things like "mentioning sex, at all" or "having queer people in them". The US also censors a lot of war coverage by just restricting journalists' access to war zones. This is something they started doing after Vietnam because people kept taking photos of all the dead civilians and so on. It's obviously not a one-to-one comparison to the situation in China, which is much more extreme, but there is censorship in the US. It's just less, and done with a different approach.
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Obviously the rest of the world isn't perfect but like I'm not worried about Archive of Our Own going poof overnight or the admins being disappear'd for hosting superhero erotica.
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Censorship in China vs the US isn't just "not a one to one" it's not in the same loving universe of comparisons, come on. Don't do that.
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sunken fleet posted:lol interesting how insanely specific you had to narrow things to
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Yinlock posted:interesting how insanely specific you had to narrow things to welcome to the web novel thread where web novels are discussed friend, if you want to discuss the pressure the US government puts on the news media or hollywood or whatever I welcome you to do that... elsewhere edit: so this is less of a Zing! type of post, that insanely narrow niche being censored is what sort of boggled my mind in the first place. Like the idea that the US government might start pressuring weedlord69.blogspot.com to be less "subversive" and to tone down its bong and bong adjacent content is just so ludicrous to me on its face that it's astonishing to think of and yet that seems to be exactly what's happening over there in China - tiny internet only operations being targetted for censorship I mean. It's a real eye-opener. sunken fleet fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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sunken fleet posted:welcome to the web novel thread where web novels are discussed friend, if you want to discuss the pressure the US government puts on the news media or hollywood or whatever I welcome you to do that... elsewhere tbf bonermaster26 has had free reign for way too long
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Regarding FoD, I was reading some of the new interlude chapters on Royal Road (LLSix, in case you aren't you should keep an eye out for those, since they're new chapters where the subject is decided by patreon subscribers) and the recent one (or ones, forget if this was in the same chapter) revealing that both Han Jian and Gu Xiulan were basically using Ling Qi at the beginning was pretty interesting. It made perfect sense, but it's still interesting that they were both just practicing what is apparently a pretty common strategy of making talented commoners indebted to you so they can potentially be a servant/handmaiden/etc later. It's also interesting seeing how Ling Qi attaching herself to Meizhen must have stung for Han Jian, since he was already feeling pretty insecure. Speaking of Han Jian, I hope we find out more at some point about the history of the Golden Fields folks. I've always thought that Gu Xiulan having romantic feelings towards Han Jian must have some sort of backstory to it. One of the interesting things about Ling Qi's social life has always been how atomized it is; all her separate social groups - Meizhen (which kinda includes Cai), Li Suyin/Su Ling, and then Xiulan/Golden Fields - have virtually no interaction with one another, and she's never managed to succeed at making them get along, despite trying. I like how it's basically a realistic way for things to progress.
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sunken fleet posted:dit: so this is less of a Zing! type of post, that insanely narrow niche being censored is what sort of boggled my mind in the first place. Like the idea that the US government might start pressuring weedlord69.blogspot.com to be less "subversive" and to tone down its bong and bong adjacent content is just so ludicrous to me on its face that it's astonishing to think of and yet that seems to be exactly what's happening over there in China - tiny internet only operations being targetted for censorship I mean. It's a real eye-opener. It's important to note that one of the reasons Webnovels became so big are the harsh restrictions on books limiting what is published in China. It's not as if some dude pulled these rules out of their rear end just recently, they've been doing it for decades in other entertainment spaces. And it's also important to note that these aren't tiny internet only opertations, but a multi-billion industry being targeted. Webnovels in China are big business, it's more like they're loving with Kindle than multiple individuals personal blogspots.
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https://twitter.com/etvofluff/status/1132318691985580032 That's quite the numbers.
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Cynic Jester posted:CCG will be missed. At least according to CKTalon, for whatever his word is worth since he seems to be the webnovel mouthpiece these days, CCG was cleared like two weeks ago.
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Tornhelm posted:At least according to CKTalon, for whatever his word is worth since he seems to be the webnovel mouthpiece these days, CCG was cleared like two weeks ago. Is this posted somewhere public? Either way, glad to hear it.
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Megazver posted:Is this posted somewhere public? On the webnovel forums. https://forum.webnovel.com/d/24320-chinese-censorship
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i alone level up (aka solo leveling) is fully translated now, albeit on qidian. it was never better than okay and the manwha is flat out superior to the wn. it turned out that the game elements were fake and meant to mask jin-woo's gradual inheritance of power.
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If only the game elements were representing the fact that the MC was insane and it was his way of coping with having powers.
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Wait there's only one published transferred novel of Honzuki? Fuuuuck Good thing it doesn't end on a cliffhanger or anything!! e: actually I can just read the web novel, huh? The translator is blastron so I assume the translation is pretty good. nrook fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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nrook posted:Wait there's only one published transferred novel of Honzuki? Well, unless Blastron took his translation down, it should cover the first arc's three novels entirely.
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nrook posted:Wait there's only one published transferred novel of Honzuki? Honzuki is made of 5 parts. In the LN version part 1 is three books, part 2 is four. I don’t remember exactly where blastron’s translations stopped but IIRC it was less than halfway through part 2, so probably book 4 or 5? The Japanese LNs have like 20 books out and still aren’t through part 4, with part 5 being one of the longer sections. Having read the WN raw to the end, my opinion is that Honzuki only starts to really hit its stride around the end of part 2 (though there’s one part of part 3 that’s kinda bad) and parts 4 and 5 are the best part of the series. It’s a long road ahead.
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