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I really hate to continue the dogpile here but you 100% need to take his keys away. This sucks to do, and its embarrassing and will hurt his feelings but you do not want the guilt if he ends up killing some neighbors kid in a month. You make the determination, "hey, this old can keep driving" when they still can see well, make good judgements and maintain a good lane at 70 and 80. You don't give second chances at 90. I had to do this myself a few years ago and it was terribly un-fun to remove someone who has pride and has always been self reliant. But you need to be a man and make the hard choices to prevent a kid or whoever from getting killed. Tell the rest of your family to support you on this. This is no joke. That being said, you don't have to be brutally honest to him. If you need to make up a story that prevents him from getting the car, thats ok. In our family we told our old that their grandkid needed their car to learn to drive, and they never got it back. If you need to tell your old that the DR said its not good for his back rehab, or that the dealership didnt have his model, or your crazy uncle needed the car, whatever. And offer to drive him places yourself. I ended up going on grocery runs with my old and got to make a lot more memories with them. We took their car away at 91 and they died at 93, so you don't know how much more time you will get to spend with them.
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If this guy is a racist prick and not invited over to your house why are you even helping him Just drop a dime on him to the DMV/cops/whoever that he needs to be off the road, and then peace out
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The OP may be spinning a yarn cause apparently he has no ability to prevent his Gramps from driving but is also responsible for getting him his next car.
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With the advent of modern technology like uber and even before, not having a car is probably not a meaningful impediment to his personal mobility. Since he probably isn't commuting 100 miles a day to work like the other nutjobs in this thread it will probably be cheaper than a new car plus gas and insurance. If he can turn a key and put a car into gear then he can operate a smartphone, if he can't then he shouldn't be driving. If smartphone screens are too small get him an LTE enabled tablet. Or just tell him to call you whenever he needs to get somewhere and you can do it for him. He can still do everything he needs to do other than drive and will likely save money. The only reason he still insists on driving is because he's a dick. Go ahead and tell him to buy an X6 or a short bed crew cab diesel 3/4 ton and just go all the way to the floor with the unnecessary stupidity. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Also the alleged fact that the construction worker waved him into the turn comes from the 90 year old so. Unless the construction worker admitted it which I doubt. Maybe.
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euphronius posted:Also the alleged fact that the construction worker waved him into the turn comes from the 90 year old so. Even if he did, it doesn't grant right-of-way. Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The OP may be spinning a yarn cause apparently he has no ability to prevent his Gramps from driving but is also responsible for getting him his next car. Oh I'm not getting it for him. I'm just looking at what's out there and what it costs. Throatwarbler posted:With the advent of modern technology like uber and even before, not having a car is probably not a meaningful impediment to his personal mobility. Since he probably isn't commuting 100 miles a day to work like the other nutjobs in this thread it will probably be cheaper than a new car plus gas and insurance. If he can turn a key and put a car into gear then he can operate a smartphone, if he can't then he shouldn't be driving. If smartphone screens are too small get him an LTE enabled tablet. Or just tell him to call you whenever he needs to get somewhere and you can do it for him. Hah, I couldn't do it for him. I've never in my life used uber and lyft and don't plan to, partly out of principle because I think their business model is poo poo and partly because I think they're stupid.
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E: I'd love a shuttle that takes me to all the important places like the grocery store, liquor store, titty bar, take my keys I don't want em Double edit: buy him a Smart Fortwo and install big foam bumpers around the whole thing. They're surprisingly safe and he'll just bounce harmlessly off other cars/buildings/larger pedestrians. Tell him it was made by Joseph Smart, an American entrepreneur tired of all the small cars coming from Japan. He doesn't use the internet, he'll never know. redgubbinz fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Jun 7, 2019 14:44
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Anyway, back to the thread topic... I'm looking for an SUV that gets good gas mileage (30-40mpg ideally). My family consists of 2 adults and 2 65lb dogs, with potentially some kids in the near future. My budget is $25-35k. My priorities are cargo space, safety, gas mileage, and reliability. I would like to drive this next vehicle for 5-10yrs hopefully. So far I have only done internet shopping. I plan to go see these in person and test drive this weekend. Some options I have explored on the internet thus far: Ford Escape: How do they still sell a vehicle that completely fails the small overlap passenger side test in 2019? I would prefer my passengers to not die. Nissan Rogue: The Chrysler of Japan must be avoided. Toyota Rav4: Safe, good gas mileage. 2019 redesign looks sharp IMO. Pre-2019 is ugly IMO, so used option is off the table for this one. Toyota Rav4 Hybrid: Best gas mileage by far, but you pay for it. Used option off the table due to pre-2019 model being ugly. Honda CRV: Safe, good gas mileage (for a non-hybrid). Not a fan of the styling, but I will go sit in it and try it out. Mazda CX-5: Safe, slightly worse gas mileage than Rav4/CRV, but apparently more fun to drive? Looks good. Will test drive and try it out. Lexus NX 300h: Basically a Rav4 but fancy? Could be a good used option? Is there anything I am missing? Right now I am leaning towards a new Rav4 Hybrid or a used Lexus NX300h. These models get the best gas mileage, which I think will pay off in the long run (5-10yrs). Are there any other good hybrid options out there (new or used?) that have good safety ratings?
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Anyway, back to the thread topic... A Subaru Forester or Outback might be worth test driving too. I'm not super familiar with them though, so I'm not sure how competitive they are compared to your other options.
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plester1 posted:A Subaru Forester or Outback might be worth test driving too. I'm not super familiar with them though, so I'm not sure how competitive they are compared to your other options. Foresters and Outbacks are very safe but not very good on gas or particularly reliable. The layout in them provides adequate but not great storage, then again two 65lb dogs eat up a lot of space regardless how big the car is. I have a Forester and enjoy it, but am well aware it's shortcomings as well.
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I am suspicious that with your scale of dogs and kids and whatnot that you are going to need a bigger vehicle!
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I am suspicious that with your scale of dogs and kids and whatnot that you are going to need a bigger vehicle! This is very true. If he adds a kid to the equation the storage needs will exponentially increase during travel. It is amazing how much crap a small child requires. Then suddenly you don't have room for everything + dogs.
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You all make some good points! I have considered some of these points, so here's my thinking. Please tell me if this is stupid, as I've never needed this much vehicular room before so maybe you guys have lived this and know better than me! So my wife has a sedan on lease for another 1.5yrs, at which point we'll have another decision to make. The plan is for her to stay at home once the kids arrive, which means she won't have a commute (other than Doing Things around town). So, the question comes down to what 2 vehicles do we need: 1) Smaller-ish vehicle for me (which we would buy now). This would be for my 10mile work commute, trips where we don't need all 3 of kids/dogs/gear. Example use cases would be going to the dog park or beach (kids in the 2nd row, dogs in the trunk?? I know people do this with SUVs, but I don't know if they will fit?) 2) Larger vehicle for the wife (which we'll get in 1.5yrs when her lease is up). This vehicle would be able to fit kids+dogs+gear. I'm thinking a 3-row SUV like a Highlander would be good, or maybe larger? Use cases would be when the entire family needs to be in the vehicle. So I was thinking vehicle #1 could be the Rav4 Hybrid (or similar), and #2 could be like a Highlander (or larger if it turns out the Rav4 is waaaay too small?). Alternatively, we could go for a middle-ground option for vehicle #1 (the step up from the Rav4 is the Highlander I think, which we could get used in the $35k range), and if that turns out to be big enough as a family vehicle, we could get another high-mpg sedan in 1.5yrs. What do you guys think?
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Vehicle #2 is a minivan. Accept it.
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Uthor posted:Vehicle #2 is a minivan. Accept it. Not gonna argue this point! However that doesn’t really help me with the decision currently at hand.
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Uthor posted:Vehicle #2 is a minivan. Accept it. You monster.
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Wagon wagon wagon wagon https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/772375211/overview/
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KillHour posted:Wagon wagon wagon wagon Interesting! I’ll see what the wife thinks about it. It’s cheaper than the other options, but no hybrid option it seems.
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Looking for a seven seater and I’d be in a pacifica hybrid (so much delicious cargo room) if I hadn’t had to push one in like 2” of snow up a mild incline or if it could tow anything. Upcoming Highlander hybrid’s mileage looks fantastic but getting even smaller.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Interesting! I’ll see what the wife thinks about it. It’s cheaper than the other options, but no hybrid option it seems. You can afford a new one on your budget, if you want. Or go a little more luxe: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/770930727/overview/ It's not a hybrid either, but 36MPG highway is pretty darn good for its size. Edit: If you're willing to go to the top of your budget, you can get an Audi Allroad, too: https://www.cars.com/shopping/audi-allroad-2016/ Double Edit: I changed my mind. Screw economy and get an E-Class wagon. Only 1MPG less than the Audi and look at it https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/774945245/overview/  Also 300HP. Don't tell the wife. KillHour fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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Jun 8, 2019 03:59
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You need to give up on your dreams of gas mileage and get a non mini van
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shovelbum posted:You need to give up on your dreams of gas mileage and get a non mini van A wagon is shorter, and thus easier for dogs to climb into. 
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Oh my god the e class wagon is amazing. Definitely going to search for one in my area. Really glad I asked you guys, you’re opening my options a ton, thank you!
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Oh my god the e class wagon is amazing. Definitely going to search for one in my area. Really glad I asked you guys, you’re opening my options a ton, thank you! Hold up there, Cowboy. I jerk off to fast wagons as much as the next guy, but I do want to point out one minor fly in the ointment of used luxury cars. Part of the depreciation is because nobody is lining up to buy a station wagon any more, but a big part of it is maintenance costs. Make sure you factor those into it. 10 cents per mile is probably a good estimate ($1,200/year if you drive a normal amount). This is probably on the high side - the majority of them will probably be far less than that. But there's always the chance of buying a piece of poo poo basket case and consumables (brakes, tires, fluid, etc.) are going to be more expensive than a regular car. Ask me about my Aston Martin 
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Proposed Budget: $9,000: like $4,000 down, $5,000 financed over two years because I am terrified of buying a lemon that explodes and I'm still paying for forever, I'm looking at next spring after I get my tax refund New or Used: used Body Style: 2-door aka bachelor commuter car How will you be using the car?: short commute to current work, all my shopping is within 2 miles, I'd like to have something I could rely on if I needed to commute further (15-30 miles in traffic) in a couple years so I likely won't be killed by an angry mob for shutting down a lane of the major bridge across Tampa Bay during morning or evening rush hour I know we're past that stage where you could buy a low-mileage 2000 Chevy Cavalier for $4K, which is what I'm driving. Am I the "buy a used Prius" market? If so, how do I find one that hasn't been abused to hell?
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skaboomizzy posted:Proposed Budget: $9,000: like $4,000 down, $5,000 financed over two years because I am terrified of buying a lemon that explodes and I'm still paying for forever, I'm looking at next spring after I get my tax refund Miata? For $9K you can get a lot of Miata.
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KillHour posted:Hold up there, Cowboy. I jerk off to fast wagons as much as the next guy, but I do want to point out one minor fly in the ointment of used luxury cars. Part of the depreciation is because nobody is lining up to buy a station wagon any more, but a big part of it is maintenance costs. Make sure you factor those into it. 10 cents per mile is probably a good estimate ($1,200/year if you drive a normal amount). This is probably on the high side - the majority of them will probably be far less than that. But there's always the chance of buying a piece of poo poo basket case and consumables (brakes, tires, fluid, etc.) are going to be more expensive than a regular car. How are you having problems with the Aston Martin already you bought it two weeks ago
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zapplez posted:How are you having problems with the Aston Martin already you bought it two weeks ago Because it's an Aston?
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zapplez posted:How are you having problems with the Aston Martin already you bought it two weeks ago It's been the the shop for more than a month at this point. With multiple issues that haven't been diagnosed yet. They had to ship it off to Cleveland. It's under warranty, but goodamn.
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Cleveland's factory of sadness makes Aston Martins?
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It's the closest Aston dealer that had an opening before July.
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KillHour posted:Hold up there, Cowboy. I jerk off to fast wagons as much as the next guy, but I do want to point out one minor fly in the ointment of used luxury cars. Part of the depreciation is because nobody is lining up to buy a station wagon any more, but a big part of it is maintenance costs. Make sure you factor those into it. 10 cents per mile is probably a good estimate ($1,200/year if you drive a normal amount). This is probably on the high side - the majority of them will probably be far less than that. But there's always the chance of buying a piece of poo poo basket case and consumables (brakes, tires, fluid, etc.) are going to be more expensive than a regular car. How does the Volvo V60 stack up with reliability? It looks like the 2018s are super cheap because there was a redesign for 2019. I know they’re super safe, but I’m concerned about maintenance (just like the Mercedes). The RAV4 is currently my favorite but at $35k is a lot more than the $20k Volvo.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:How does the Volvo V60 stack up with reliability? It looks like the 2018s are super cheap because there was a redesign for 2019. I know they’re super safe, but I’m concerned about maintenance (just like the Mercedes). The RAV4 is currently my favorite but at $35k is a lot more than the $20k Volvo. That's a great question to ask in AI. I'd honestly be less worried about reliability and more worried about parts and service cost. Mercs aren't expensive to maintain because they're unreliable per-sey, they're expensive because parts cost more and services take more time. That being said I'm not trying to talk you out of the Merc or anything else. I just want to make sure you're not putting yourself in the position where your car payments mean you can't afford to maintain it. If you're comfortable with the costs, a used luxury car can absolutely be worth it. KillHour fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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chupacabraTERROR posted:How does the Volvo V60 stack up with reliability? It looks like the 2018s are super cheap because there was a redesign for 2019. I know they’re super safe, but I’m concerned about maintenance (just like the Mercedes). The RAV4 is currently my favorite but at $35k is a lot more than the $20k Volvo. From everything I've read current model Volvos are near the worst of non-boutique manufactures in both reliability but also parts costs and availability. They just don't have the market share you need to have a well supported and easy to maintain car. The equivalent Benz/BMW/Audi model will almost always end up saving you money long term in cheaper ongoing costs as well as higher resale value. KillHour posted:It's been the the shop for more than a month at this point. With multiple issues that haven't been diagnosed yet. They had to ship it off to Cleveland. We told you not to buy that Ford haha. At least its not your DD.
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KillHour posted:10 cents per mile is probably a good estimate ($1,200/year if you drive a normal amount). This is probably on the high side - the majority of them will probably be far less than that. I think this is a realistic number and not on the high side, especially if you're driving a used car. In like a couple years of driving I've had to do $2k+ of maintenance-related repairs, just in the middle between the fine lines of fragile parts and wear items. For example both front wheel bearings (failing relatively early around 75k mi), both outer CV boots splitting, and upper control arm bushings on my very vanilla german luxo.  Granted I live in a city and the roads are pretty bad, probably factored into those early failures. KillHour posted:It's the closest Aston dealer that had an opening before July. Who's your warranty company / servicer? They're paying for that shipping? That's impressive. The warranty I got quoted for my economy luxocar was like $6k or 7k and it would never have been worth it, but it sounds like you made the right call. Something Offal fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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Something Offal posted:Who's your warranty company / servicer? They're paying for that shipping? That's impressive. The warranty I got quoted for my economy luxocar was like $6k or 7k and it would never have been worth it, but it sounds like you made the right call. It's still I under the original AM warranty - car is basically new. The dealership I bought it from is paying the shipping to AM because it happened weeks after I bought it.
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KillHour posted:It's still I under the original AM warranty - car is basically new. The dealership I bought it from is paying the shipping to AM because it happened weeks after I bought it. Ah that is still impressive. I know in the Yelp era we live in (franchise) dealers will be a little more careful about screwing people than before, but it doesn't sound like they had any contractual obligation to pay for shipping. I assume you bought the car as-is from them. So that's nice. You should post a writeup in AI at some point if you're up to it.
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Something Offal posted:Ah that is still impressive. I know in the Yelp era we live in (franchise) dealers will be a little more careful about screwing people than before, but it doesn't sound like they had any contractual obligation to pay for shipping. I assume you bought the car as-is from them. So that's nice. They know better than to dick someone over who A: Bought a car they were sitting on for over a year and were taking a huge hit on B: Spent 6 figures on said car C: Buys cars semi-regularly and told them he has a lease coming up next year D: They promised the car was in perfect mechanical condition and had been inspected several times by multiple people E: Pointed out after they sold it to him that they sold it with mismatched tires - not a good look for a luxury dealership. My business is worth more than the $1000 it's going to cost to ship the car and they know it. I've been keeping people generally updated in the AI chat thread. Not that there's much to update. I could start a thread about my cars, but they're all pretty new so the most "work" I do on them is changing the wheels out for winters. It would be a very boring thread. Edit: It occurs to me that this post makes me sound like a huge humblebragging prick. I'm not a millionaire or anything, I just spend all my money on cars 
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KillHour posted:They know better than to dick someone over who Sorry I don't remember but did you get a PPI? e: drat I post a lot
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